4 year honors degree plus CPL = HIRE!!

[elvispilot]

i've noticed that most people with an honor's degree gets preference over those that don't. Anyone else notice that too?

[clunckdriver]

No, but I have noticed that those pilots with 2,000 hard flown hours and good references get hired!

[lilflyboy262...2]

Which companies have you noticed giving preference to these people Elvispilot?

[+TSRA]

Perhaps the reason people with degrees get hired over those without are that those with a degree can put a grammatically correct sentence together on their resume.

When I was hiring a couple years ago for another outfit, I would throw out a resume with glaringly obvious spelling or grammar errors; it showed the person did not take attention to detail seriously. I would similarly expect that, should I send a resume out with bad grammar or spelling, I would be appropriately filed away.

[Caboclo]

In the US, a CPL + 1500 hours + a pulse = hired. Are things different up north?

[clunckdriver]

+TSRA, you mean such errors as "GETS" when singular would be correct?{see first post in case you missed it!}

[A Squared]

Originally Posted by clunckdriver

+TSRA, you mean such errors as "GETS" when singular would be correct?{see first post in case you missed it!}

Or i've instead of I've, or honor's instead of honors, or "that" instead of "who".

[Chuck Ellsworth]

I would be appropriately filed away.

Did the person who filed you away have a degree in filing?

[Big Pistons Forever]

Originally Posted by elvispilot

i've noticed that most people with an honor's degree gets preference over those that don't. Anyone else notice that too?

With 25 + years in commercial aviation, and still an active part time instructor, I have seen no correlation between having a degree and getting hired for pilots only holding a CPL. I have a Bachelor of Science degree ( not honours though ) and it certainly never had any impact on any job I have ever been hired for.

The biggest factor in getting a job as a lower time pilot was personal contacts plus some luck in being at the right place at the right time.

The contact will get you in the door then it takes hard work and a good attitude to succeed.

[+TSRA]

Quote:

I would be appropriately filed away.
Dd the person who filed you away have a degree in filing?

Well, they would have at least a PPC on the shredder... I bet they paid for the type rating and are bonded for two years too, poor bugger.

[Wolfdog]

Nope. One has nothing to do with the other. You have the time, they need a driver....these are the only requirements to become employed.
WD

[Chuck Ellsworth]

elvispilot:::

I worked for over fifty years as a pilot.

And as far as I can recall none of my employers even asked me if I had any education period, never mind what school I got any of my licenses at.

They hired me based on my previous flying experience and the references I gave them as to my flying abilities.

Also towards the end of my flying career I worked for some of the best known companies on earth and for sure they never asked me where I was educated or where I received my licenses.

Being a pilot is really not much different than driving or operating any other mechanical device.

It does however have a higher possibility of killing yourself and everyone else in the machine if you are incompetent in how you make decisions based on your abilities than some other driving occupations.

NOTE::

I am not saying formal education is not advantageous......of course it is.....but you can become a very skilled pilot if you can read and write.

[stas-fan]

Elvis be realistic

Elvispilot, From an African operator, Survey operation in light twins, dull job, crap hotels lots of hours!

I hire pilots regularly, I want professional pilots who brief the descent, plan the go-around, shut down the engines after the full 2 minute wait when called for and most of all, 'f-up' but learn from it and share the experience.

If I sacked everyone who worked for me who couldn't write perfect England I would be left with the receptionist who went to College, but no one else, myself included.

I assume you are CPL IR, Multi this and that, and need to get to 1500 + hours, fine I get that. I will feed Air Can all day if I get 2 years accident and pain free from you.

I'll give you a job if you are willing to travel, be totally professional at all times, when given flex don't take the p*ss, and remember that we have to keep the company alive and you are part of the life support system.

Get the jabs, come to Africa and try some really dull survey work.....

[clunckdriver]

Reminds me of a conversation seventeen years ago. VP Flight Ops to retiring Captain," I read your file yesterday, I didnt know you were an engineer, you should have pointed this out to us, we would have made you management" Retiring Captain, "Thats why I didnt tell you!"

[elvispilot]

Hello Lilflyboy,
Emirates airlines is giving preference to those who have a university degree and the necessary flight experience. In the recent past, it was easier for expatriates to get hired without a university degree. They are looking for more nationals to fly for them. When i was considering Emirates' ab initio flight training program, the vice president of flight training at Emirates aviation college advised me to get a CPL while studying for a university/college degree.
His words to me were : "learning to fly isn't much more than becoming a driver". "After we begin phasing out the 777's, it will get harder for expatriates without a degree, like it already has for Fly Dubai". "I advise you to get a university degree, and come back to us".

P.S. - I was born and brought up in Dubai

[elvispilot]

Pardon me, good sir.

[elvispilot]

Hello Chuck Ellsworth,
This is something that i have noticed in the middle east, for expatriates. I haven't heard of many airlines in the US preferring those who have a university degree. I do know that Air Canada prefers those who have a university degree though, and there could be more airlines out there which want pilots with a university degree. I agree with you about this - (Being a pilot is really not much different than driving or operating any other mechanical device.) This is exactly what the vice president of flight training at emirates aviation college told me.
P.S. - read my reply to Lilflyboy

[lilflyboy262...2]

That may be the case for entry level positions with EK.

This is taken from the website for another major middle eastern company.
Captain
Narrow and Wide Body Fleet:

Valid ICAO ATPL license. Valid instrument rating.
Valid class one medical certificate
English language proficiency level 4 or above

Narrow Body Fleet: A minimum of 6,000 hours total flying time, Type rated on A320 Family with a minimum of 1,000 hours in command.

Wide Body Fleet: A minimum of 7,000 hours total flying time, of which a Minimum of 2,000 hours in command of multi-crew, multi-engine Jet aircraft in excess of 100.000kg MTOW. This may be reduced to 1000 hours for pilots who are type rated, have a current LPC and are currently flying on B777/B787/A330.

First Officer

Valid ICAO ATPL or Frozen ATPL license
Valid class one medical
English language proficiency level 4 or above.
A minimum of 1,000 hours in one of the following categories:
Multi crew, multi-engine jet aircraft
Command turbo-prop above 20.000 kg MTOW
High performance military jet. (Multi crew Cooperation Certificate required)

Or for a major Chinese company.

A330 Captains required for A330 Captain Positions

Boeing Captains B737, B767, required for B777 Positions

• Opportunity to join China’s largest and fastest growing airline with global growth ambitions
• Competitive contract salary and conditions
• Contracts 2,3 or 4 years
• Some opportunity for reverse scheduling in Australian Ports MEL, BNE,SYD (A330)
• Transition/endorsement training B777 provided

In conjunction with China Southern Airlines (CSA) Pilot Recruitment Team, Business Aviation Australia (BAA) is seeking qualified and experienced A330, B737, B767, B777 Airline Captains interested in expanding their horizons with a fast growing and globally ambitious International Airline.
To be eligible to apply you must have flight experience of more than 6000 hrs Total, 3000Hrs PIC on A/C>50 Tons MTOW, and hold specific experience as Captain

• B767/B757/B737 = 2000Hrs
• A330 = 1000Hrs.

No mention of a degree.
Experience will always trump the degrees unless you are low time looking to get into the major, then they will use whatever means to cut the numbers.

[elvispilot]

yes, for most airlines experience trumps degrees, but some major airlines are starting to prefer those who have a university degree. Check this out :
aircanada.com - Career

• 1500 hours of fixed wing flying time
• Completion of schooling to the university entrance level
• Ability to pass the Air Canada and Transport Canada medical and visual acuity requirements for a Category 1 medical certificate
• Canadian Airline Transport Pilot Licence (ATPL), current Group 1 (Multi-engine) Instrument Rating
• Canadian citizenship or landed immigrant status

Pilot applications far exceed job vacancies, so preference is given to candidates with qualifications beyond the basic requirements. Examples of desirable additional qualifications include, but are not limited to:

• University degree or college diploma
• Aviation College degree or diploma
• Commercial or military flight experience
• Jet and/or glass cockpit experience
  
  imagine if most applicants had a university degree+jet/glass cockpit experience.

[Big Pistons Forever]

You should get a university degree so you have options outside of aviation not because you think it is going to give you some perceived advantage in getting hired. Hours are the only currency that matters in flying.

In any case if you have less than an ATPL having a degree will make absolutely no difference in your chance of getting hired. For experienced pilots a degree may help but flying experience will still trump a degree everytime.