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Not good
In all honesty, don't bother.
Pay: 38gs for year 1 S/O, goes up about 2% a year
52gs for year 1 F/O, no you won't carry over any time in company
Days off: 12 SDO, scheduled days off, meaning the dirt bag that works in crewsked can and will force you to work more, upwards of 24/month, been there, had the arguments.
Training and all that is paid at full salary from day 1, the training department is full of some fantastic people, lots of experience and lots to learn from. However, when you get home, don't look forward to any actual sked days off until you finish line indoc.
50 people have left in the last 4 years, that's a lot considering they only employ 85 pilots. When the industry picks up, people leave quickly, average of a least 1 a month right now, 3 in May.
As a result, they are only hiring instructors and newly minted pilots from Seneca. Any wise guy can figure out why they're hiring low time pilots, they don't have the time to leave and the carrot dangles for the right seat. Nothing against these new people at all as they're all good people, just the way they do things. When I started, you needed 2500hrs with some multi, not anymore.
Carrot dangling continues, wages are now below par, time at work is well above the other cargo ops, fatigue is rampant with not a care, even when it was brought up to the CEO.
You'll only start in the backseat so time flown doesn't matter, it isn't worth anything to anyone anymore. They've just done a bunch of upgrades to the right seat so don't look for much more. This bunch going to the right seat have been waiting 3+ years. When I started, it was about a year but that was under expansion and massive attrition.
You're much better to find something else, it really is not worth it.
Pay: 38gs for year 1 S/O, goes up about 2% a year
52gs for year 1 F/O, no you won't carry over any time in company
Days off: 12 SDO, scheduled days off, meaning the dirt bag that works in crewsked can and will force you to work more, upwards of 24/month, been there, had the arguments.
Training and all that is paid at full salary from day 1, the training department is full of some fantastic people, lots of experience and lots to learn from. However, when you get home, don't look forward to any actual sked days off until you finish line indoc.
50 people have left in the last 4 years, that's a lot considering they only employ 85 pilots. When the industry picks up, people leave quickly, average of a least 1 a month right now, 3 in May.
As a result, they are only hiring instructors and newly minted pilots from Seneca. Any wise guy can figure out why they're hiring low time pilots, they don't have the time to leave and the carrot dangles for the right seat. Nothing against these new people at all as they're all good people, just the way they do things. When I started, you needed 2500hrs with some multi, not anymore.
Carrot dangling continues, wages are now below par, time at work is well above the other cargo ops, fatigue is rampant with not a care, even when it was brought up to the CEO.
You'll only start in the backseat so time flown doesn't matter, it isn't worth anything to anyone anymore. They've just done a bunch of upgrades to the right seat so don't look for much more. This bunch going to the right seat have been waiting 3+ years. When I started, it was about a year but that was under expansion and massive attrition.
You're much better to find something else, it really is not worth it.
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Thanks for your help 
Thats the sort of info I was looking for. Need to get some night IFR hours under my belt, was hoping this would be a good place to start!
Thats the sort of info I was looking for. Need to get some night IFR hours under my belt, was hoping this would be a good place to start!
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Flying the Piano bench seat wont help you log any IFR time other than S/O which wont really set you up for a successful long term career.
Weigh your options carefully before thinking a 727 is a fast track to the airlines....
WJP
Weigh your options carefully before thinking a 727 is a fast track to the airlines....
WJP
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Not really interested in the airlines. I've been a bush pilot in Africa for the past few years, now looking for a change in scenery and change in job description.
By the time I get there I will have around 2000hrs, a few hundred twin and around 600 turboprop.
I've got two reason why I want to try this company out, the first being a friend whos working in ground handling there. Everything I have heard from her seemed like it was a quite a good company to work for.
The second being that I'm still young and looking at giving myself a broad and varied CV for both my own personal satisfaction, and for future career prospects.
How much longer will you get the chance to fly aircraft like the 727 and the 757? In another 10 years they will be relegated to flying in my current part of the world.
@ Flaps 1 billion,
Where is the majority of the pilot attrition taking place? Is it the S/Os that are getting depressed with sitting in the back doing nothing? Or is it spread through the ranks with Captains and F/O's throwing in the towel as well? That is the biggest clue as to what its like to work with them.
By the time I get there I will have around 2000hrs, a few hundred twin and around 600 turboprop.
I've got two reason why I want to try this company out, the first being a friend whos working in ground handling there. Everything I have heard from her seemed like it was a quite a good company to work for.
The second being that I'm still young and looking at giving myself a broad and varied CV for both my own personal satisfaction, and for future career prospects.
How much longer will you get the chance to fly aircraft like the 727 and the 757? In another 10 years they will be relegated to flying in my current part of the world.
@ Flaps 1 billion,
Where is the majority of the pilot attrition taking place? Is it the S/Os that are getting depressed with sitting in the back doing nothing? Or is it spread through the ranks with Captains and F/O's throwing in the towel as well? That is the biggest clue as to what its like to work with them.
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Mostly senior F/O's leaving and a captain every 5 or 6 months or so. Good training, great aircraft, crap sched on top of an all nights operation. So if you go,plan on it being a a short scheduled stop onwards to somewhere else. Back seat time is interesting,and a nice introduction to a large jet, expect to be there anywhere from 1-3 years.You just don't want to be in that seat when the music stops and the last '27 becomes beer cans.
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Say Again?
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Post subject: Re: I'm Stuck
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:48 am
Life isn't easy buddy, no one ever said it would be. It's hard out there these days, for a lot of people, but hard work, patience and perseverance is the name of the game. IF you thought you'd have a job right out of training, you were mis lead or too hopeful. I don't know your background or what you did before but we all have out stories of hard times so let's leave that aside for now.
If you don't want to fly for a living, suck up that 30gs you just forked out for everything and go spend another 40 for more education.
If you do want to fly for a living, keep at it. Make those calls, hit the road, call on friends for help. Put some yourself to use and get yourself a job. Moaning about it on a website won't get you much, though if I could help I would. Get out there, make something happen, don't pack it in so quick.
Life isn't easy, no one ever said it would be.
Tough love.
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=57571&p=544533#p544533
Post subject: Re: I'm Stuck
Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 4:48 am
Life isn't easy buddy, no one ever said it would be. It's hard out there these days, for a lot of people, but hard work, patience and perseverance is the name of the game. IF you thought you'd have a job right out of training, you were mis lead or too hopeful. I don't know your background or what you did before but we all have out stories of hard times so let's leave that aside for now.
If you don't want to fly for a living, suck up that 30gs you just forked out for everything and go spend another 40 for more education.
If you do want to fly for a living, keep at it. Make those calls, hit the road, call on friends for help. Put some yourself to use and get yourself a job. Moaning about it on a website won't get you much, though if I could help I would. Get out there, make something happen, don't pack it in so quick.
Life isn't easy, no one ever said it would be.
Tough love.
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=57571&p=544533#p544533
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I'm not sure what you're asking, Perplexing? Why search a post I made over 2 years ago on a different site about a completely different subject? The avcan post was about a guy that had been out of flying school for a couple weeks and ready to pull the plug on the career. I told him it's a long road and no one said it would be easy.
This post was asking about Cargojet, I company I worked at for 4 years. I posted my honest opinion of the place along with factual info about money, sked and upgrades.
I'm perplexed why you dug up such an old post from a diff site. Anyway, as I said before, don't bother with this company, there is a reason why so many people are leaving.
This post was asking about Cargojet, I company I worked at for 4 years. I posted my honest opinion of the place along with factual info about money, sked and upgrades.
I'm perplexed why you dug up such an old post from a diff site. Anyway, as I said before, don't bother with this company, there is a reason why so many people are leaving.
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A recent new contract, unionization and a lot of growth on the horizon make the place not so bad from what I hear -
Buddies with a captain there so all second hand info.
They are also recruiting DEC WB fleet.
A recent new contract, unionization and a lot of growth on the horizon make the place not so bad from what I hear -
Buddies with a captain there so all second hand info.
They are also recruiting DEC WB fleet.