Standard Approach Briefing
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Standard Approach Briefing
Am in the process of re-writing our standard calls and briefings........have used one similar to that of Air Canada's in the past..
Would anyone like to share their current Air Canada approach briefing or one similar in nature.
Thanks!
Would anyone like to share their current Air Canada approach briefing or one similar in nature.
Thanks!
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From: Where the job is!
Quote: “....most companies have there own way for this..”
Why? I have wondered why each company has its own version of SOP’s and similar items. Every time there is a change of Chief Pilot the whole lot gets revised yet again. Why? Surely there should be one country-wide set of SOP’s for operating a specific type of aircraft. This should be approved by both the maker and TC and should be identical at every company in Canada that operates that particular type of aircraft. Instead, when changing jobs, it is necessary to try to unlearn one set and learn another, just to fly the identical aircraft.
The same should apply with approach briefings. The format should track through from the bottom, from textbooks such as From the Ground Up, continue upwards and be used by every air operator in Canada, There should be no need to have different formats at different companies.
Why? I have wondered why each company has its own version of SOP’s and similar items. Every time there is a change of Chief Pilot the whole lot gets revised yet again. Why? Surely there should be one country-wide set of SOP’s for operating a specific type of aircraft. This should be approved by both the maker and TC and should be identical at every company in Canada that operates that particular type of aircraft. Instead, when changing jobs, it is necessary to try to unlearn one set and learn another, just to fly the identical aircraft.
The same should apply with approach briefings. The format should track through from the bottom, from textbooks such as From the Ground Up, continue upwards and be used by every air operator in Canada, There should be no need to have different formats at different companies.
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From: "como todo buen piloto... mujeriego y borracho"
A cute and noble idea, however, I can't even see the manufacturers agreeing.
I can count alone three calls for not continuing a takeoff-roll, from various companies and manufacturers over the course of my career:
1) Reject!
2) Abort!
3) Stop!
And we are just discussing the debate on the use of one word.
I can count alone three calls for not continuing a takeoff-roll, from various companies and manufacturers over the course of my career:
1) Reject!
2) Abort!
3) Stop!
And we are just discussing the debate on the use of one word.
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From: the balmy beautiful south
Airman13...you obviously have a very narrow knowledge of airline procedures.
Many airlines also use "Reject" or "Abort" as the cockpit call-out for a rejected take-off. To me "Stop" seems less appropriate than the other two words, but would still be acceptable as a SOP.
Many airlines also use "Reject" or "Abort" as the cockpit call-out for a rejected take-off. To me "Stop" seems less appropriate than the other two words, but would still be acceptable as a SOP.
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From: Vietnam
DHC6
you also have a very small knowledge of aviation around the world
Many UK Cie if not all ,as well of some Cie in Asia are using STOP
which is faster to say and it is know by everybody and it make sens
Myself I worked for different Cie using those words and I prefer using STOP
but unfortunatly now I work for a Cie using REJECT so I follow the SOP
you also have a very small knowledge of aviation around the world
Many UK Cie if not all ,as well of some Cie in Asia are using STOP
which is faster to say and it is know by everybody and it make sens
Myself I worked for different Cie using those words and I prefer using STOP
but unfortunatly now I work for a Cie using REJECT so I follow the SOP
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From: the balmy beautiful south
LindbergB767 - My rebuttal to your post is self-explanatory if you reread the previous three posts and have a normal comprehension of the English language.
On a side note, just because the Brits do it a certain way doesn't make it right for everyone else.
On a side note, just because the Brits do it a certain way doesn't make it right for everyone else.
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From: Canada
Quoted from Doc 9432, ICAOs Manual of Radiotelephony.
4.5.12 When a pilot abandons the take-off manoeuvre, the control tower should be so informed as soon as practicable, and assitance or taxi instructions should be requested as required.
FASTAIR 345 STOPPING
If anyone is a little fuzzy on why we should follow ICAO phraseology, it's because we kill fewer people that way.
4.5.12 When a pilot abandons the take-off manoeuvre, the control tower should be so informed as soon as practicable, and assitance or taxi instructions should be requested as required.
FASTAIR 345 STOPPING
If anyone is a little fuzzy on why we should follow ICAO phraseology, it's because we kill fewer people that way.
