Canadian licence fiasco
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Canadian licence fiasco
OK,maybe it shouldn't be called a fiasco,but a Canadian ATPL licence holder can't show you more than a four wedge piece of paper stating your address and name on it with your endorsments.
I was surprised when I saw a Brazilian licence from an ATPL accredited pilot with the picture and all the perks that should show and indentify this person as who he is.
Really,we're talking about the overall safety and an anti terrorism, but yet we are issuing a 1945 type licenses to the pilots in CDN.I support any individual that writes to Transport Canada and gives them the bollocks about their doings.
Cheers,EU flyer
I was surprised when I saw a Brazilian licence from an ATPL accredited pilot with the picture and all the perks that should show and indentify this person as who he is.
Really,we're talking about the overall safety and an anti terrorism, but yet we are issuing a 1945 type licenses to the pilots in CDN.I support any individual that writes to Transport Canada and gives them the bollocks about their doings.
Cheers,EU flyer
The Canadian licenses are changing to look like a UK licence (complete with photo ID) in the near future.
I'm glad that's all you have to complain about.
I'm glad that's all you have to complain about.
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OK,maybe it shouldn't be called a fiasco,but a Canadian ATPL licence holder can't show you more than a four wedge piece of paper stating your address and name on it with your endorsments.
Now, my FAA licence does mention height, weight, hair and eye colour, but then it was issued 13 years ago so tell me how much that's worth?
While we're at it, all my Korean licence has is my citizenship and a long expired passport number, and the Indian one ... well, if I told you that it was a photocopy of a fax would I need to say anything else?
As J.O. says the TC licence is being redesigned, but it's clear that the problem (such as it is) lies with ICAO's standards not TC's.
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FAA licenses are nicer atleast compared to the current Canadian ones. A stupid piece of paper that is voided if you laminate it. Our new passport types should look nicer but then it might have our medical stuff within the license itself. Less papers to carry. I'm still carrying my little brown envelope around with my PPL, PPL + NR, CPL, Medical and Radio License sitting in it. It's a hassle.
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Transport Canada new licence format
Hey there,
It has been known now for the last year there were plans to change the licence format. Below is the content from transport canada's website. No need to write to TC to complain, lol
New Format for Licences and Permits
Your Licence is Going to Change
We have been working hard to prepare for the arrival of the new Aviation Document Booklet, which will hold all your licences, permits and medical certificates in one document.
By late April, we will be in the final stages of testing prior to full production of the booklets. By the end of May, the system should be commissioned to operate at full capacity. At that time, the following will occur:
Applicants for new licences and permits in any category will receive documents in the new booklet format.
Airline transport pilot licences (ATPL) and commercial pilot licences (CPL) will be the first to be processed into the new booklet format. All ATPLs and CPLs in the old format will be replaced by March 31, 2009. To retain licence validity, current document holders must apply for an Aviation Document Booklet to replace their old format licences. Applications for replacing these licences with the new booklet format will be accepted in the near future.
All old format air traffic controller (ATC), flight engineer, and private pilot licences are scheduled to be replaced by December 31, 2009. Applications for replacing these licences with the new booklet format will only be accepted after January 1, 2009.
All remaining old format licences and permits are scheduled to be replaced by December 31, 2010. Applications for replacing these documents with the new booklet format will only be accepted after January 1, 2010.
Current licence and permit holders, as well as applicants for new licences and permits, will be required to submit the “Application for Aviation Document Booklet” form and one photograph that meets Passport Canada standards to a Transport Canada regional licensing office. Once we begin accepting these applications, Transport Canada staff will confirm the accuracy of personal information, ensure that licence applicants have met language proficiency requirements and generate an Aviation Document Booklet.
This Web page is currently being developed to provide all relevant information, including access to download the “Application for Aviation Document Booklet” form.
Kind regards
Ricardo
It has been known now for the last year there were plans to change the licence format. Below is the content from transport canada's website. No need to write to TC to complain, lol
New Format for Licences and Permits
Your Licence is Going to Change
We have been working hard to prepare for the arrival of the new Aviation Document Booklet, which will hold all your licences, permits and medical certificates in one document.
By late April, we will be in the final stages of testing prior to full production of the booklets. By the end of May, the system should be commissioned to operate at full capacity. At that time, the following will occur:
Applicants for new licences and permits in any category will receive documents in the new booklet format.
Airline transport pilot licences (ATPL) and commercial pilot licences (CPL) will be the first to be processed into the new booklet format. All ATPLs and CPLs in the old format will be replaced by March 31, 2009. To retain licence validity, current document holders must apply for an Aviation Document Booklet to replace their old format licences. Applications for replacing these licences with the new booklet format will be accepted in the near future.
All old format air traffic controller (ATC), flight engineer, and private pilot licences are scheduled to be replaced by December 31, 2009. Applications for replacing these licences with the new booklet format will only be accepted after January 1, 2009.
All remaining old format licences and permits are scheduled to be replaced by December 31, 2010. Applications for replacing these documents with the new booklet format will only be accepted after January 1, 2010.
Current licence and permit holders, as well as applicants for new licences and permits, will be required to submit the “Application for Aviation Document Booklet” form and one photograph that meets Passport Canada standards to a Transport Canada regional licensing office. Once we begin accepting these applications, Transport Canada staff will confirm the accuracy of personal information, ensure that licence applicants have met language proficiency requirements and generate an Aviation Document Booklet.
This Web page is currently being developed to provide all relevant information, including access to download the “Application for Aviation Document Booklet” form.
Kind regards
Ricardo
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My current TC licence, medical and radio licence all fit in a purpose designed leather wallet with transparent inserts to hold the actual documents.. My FAA stuff also fits within the same holder. This holder fits comfortably in a pilot shirt pocket or any pocket on my trousers. I normally wear trousers from a travel clothing company so they usually have pockets that are designed for passports, immunisation booklets, etc. The licence holder fits right in with all of that. Plastic provincial drivers’ licences in computerised form with photos are of similar size and also fit into these wallets and thus easily into shirt or trouser pockets.
I want to know if the new TC licence book is of the same small dimensions to fit in existing licence holders so that it will easily fit in pockets. If not, then TC needs to go back to the drawing board and show some consideration for the captive customers’ needs.
I want to know if the new TC licence book is of the same small dimensions to fit in existing licence holders so that it will easily fit in pockets. If not, then TC needs to go back to the drawing board and show some consideration for the captive customers’ needs.
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Canadian Documents...
I've seen the draft of the new documentation and it looks pretty good. Everything will be in one passport style book. There is a push on to get all of this put together in short order.
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I recall being in an FAA FSDO about a year ago doing a certificate application, musing to the inspector how it is amazing to me how a country that put a man on the moon some 40 years ago still hasn't been able to figure out how to put a picture on a pilot certificate.
Often the oft-called "Banana Republics" or third world countries have the most advanced looking licences, but then again, their problem is limited to producing maybe a couple of hundred licences rather than thousands.
Often the oft-called "Banana Republics" or third world countries have the most advanced looking licences, but then again, their problem is limited to producing maybe a couple of hundred licences rather than thousands.
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We have been working hard
They start their spiel about the new license with a statement I find hard to believe.
They start their spiel about the new license with a statement I find hard to believe.
I would say they have been working hard, concidering I know plenty of people working on this issue. Its not as easy as you may think.
Just wait two months and you will see what I am talking about. That is if you are an ATPL or CPL holder.
And come on they they were obivously trying to keep the whole intro to the last update in context to thier other posts on this matter........... Friendly.........
All TC staff are not the same. I have had run ins with them before as do most Canadian pilots. However this time I think you will be impressed
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I'm afraid that I am a bit more jaded than you when it comes to TCCA Ricky1..and I am bit bored at the moment so........
I would say they have been working hard, concidering I know plenty of people working on this issue. Its not as easy as you may think.
Yeh, I imagine that in the year 2008 with all the technology available it would be a major project to design a new license format...
Just wait two months and you will see what I am talking about. That is if you are an ATPL or CPL holder.
Actually I hold both in Canada the ATPL and the Commercial licenses.
And come on they they were obivously trying to keep the whole intro to the last update in context to thier other posts on this matter........... Friendly.........
All TC staff are not the same. I have had run ins with them before as do most Canadian pilots. However this time I think you will be impressed
Wonderful, lets see how much it costs me to be impressed.
I would say they have been working hard, concidering I know plenty of people working on this issue. Its not as easy as you may think.
Yeh, I imagine that in the year 2008 with all the technology available it would be a major project to design a new license format...
Just wait two months and you will see what I am talking about. That is if you are an ATPL or CPL holder.
Actually I hold both in Canada the ATPL and the Commercial licenses.
And come on they they were obivously trying to keep the whole intro to the last update in context to thier other posts on this matter........... Friendly.........
All TC staff are not the same. I have had run ins with them before as do most Canadian pilots. However this time I think you will be impressed
Wonderful, lets see how much it costs me to be impressed.
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I guess you will see when you get your licence chuck. Maybe you will see the effort they have put in by then. 
Congrats on the ATPL and CPL. You might want to change your profile. I don't know of an 'ALTP' 
Congrats on the ATPL and CPL. You might want to change your profile. I don't know of an 'ALTP'
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I guess you will see when you get your licence chuck. Maybe you will see the effort they have put in by then.
I hope it fits in my wallet like the ones I now have.
My Canadian ones are identified by the license numbers AA38841 and DO38841, will my new ones have a new number?
Congrats on the ATPL and CPL.
Congrats??? hell they are just licenses that anyone can get with a little bit of effort.
You might want to change your profile. I don't know of an 'ALTP'
How about that I miss typed it, I never noticed that before , if I don't change it will it make me less of a pilot?
I hope it fits in my wallet like the ones I now have.
My Canadian ones are identified by the license numbers AA38841 and DO38841, will my new ones have a new number?
Congrats on the ATPL and CPL.
Congrats??? hell they are just licenses that anyone can get with a little bit of effort.
You might want to change your profile. I don't know of an 'ALTP'
How about that I miss typed it, I never noticed that before , if I don't change it will it make me less of a pilot?
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I have the little wallet right now also. It is perfectly ideal. Last I want or anyone I should think for that matter, would be a big legal sized portfolio, haha. However there was need for the new format. These little pieces of paper why have right now are too many and quite behind compared to other aviation authorities. The JAA have a nice little book, however theirs is not wallet size. FAA are renewing their also. Which I think is going to be very similar to ours. My little feathered friend told me they were going to be passport sized.
Yes a little effort and the ATPL will also be mine However at only 21 and having my CPL, I’m not too far behind the race at all. Should have it in near future. Although I have also heard that TC plan on changing the ATPL structure very soon also. Within a year I hear. So I'll hold off and build hours and see what happens in the next few months.
As for ALTP, lol 1300+ posts and you haven’t seen it. lol. No man it’s not going to make you less of a pilot. I was just checking to see what you flew over there in B.C, thought I would just let you know.
Take care
Rick
Yes a little effort and the ATPL will also be mine
However at only 21 and having my CPL, I’m not too far behind the race at all. Should have it in near future. Although I have also heard that TC plan on changing the ATPL structure very soon also. Within a year I hear. So I'll hold off and build hours and see what happens in the next few months.As for ALTP, lol 1300+ posts and you haven’t seen it. lol. No man it’s not going to make you less of a pilot. I was just checking to see what you flew over there in B.C, thought I would just let you know.
Take care
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I just finished my reqs for CPL and I asked TC if I'd get a new license. They said they weren't sure, it depended how long it took for them to finish the paperwork but they were about 80% sure I'd still get the old one.
Win!
Win!
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From recent experience. Tc take about 6-8 weeks to sort out thier paper work for the CPL, so that should put you in around the time of release. Fingers crossed for you. You seem like you want the new one badly. I wouldn't blame you, all those little ratty pieces of paper get annoying.