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There is something that doesnt come together with this story. I have never heard of anyone being in the job mill for 6 years and not finding anything.
I agree, Canada is a great country. I myself came here only 3 years ago and feel like Ive lived here my whole life. Canada is probably the only country in the world (and I've lived in 8 different countries) that treats foreigners like first class citizens.
Is there something else that is part of the story and which has not been disclosed, I wonder?
BTW heres a good flying club that needs ground instructors - Brampton Flying Club - that is if you are still looking in Canada!Good luck.
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I agree, Canada is a great country. I myself came here only 3 years ago and feel like Ive lived here my whole life. Canada is probably the only country in the world (and I've lived in 8 different countries) that treats foreigners like first class citizens.
Is there something else that is part of the story and which has not been disclosed, I wonder?
BTW heres a good flying club that needs ground instructors - Brampton Flying Club - that is if you are still looking in Canada!Good luck.
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Now here are a couple of folks that don't mind calling someone a liar without knowing background details...
Take it from me, I don't qualify for UI. I knew that when I started the Landed Immigrant process, and I have asked since. It is as simple as that.
Since you don't believe nobody can be here for 6 hears and not get a job in his/her chosen profession I could invite you to see the evidence - thousands of applications, and more gone the way of crashed hard drives - and junked files when we moved apartments a few months ago after our rent went up 42%.
Hey, call me a liar again... tell me that's not legal, and I'd say you're right. But welcome to the real world, and what the hey, _you've_ got a job - I'm probably just one of those stupid lazy people, right?
Well, this "laziness" has cost me some CD$100,000 in living expenses out of my retirement fund over the last 6 years, and it's starting to look pretty slim now. Why would I risk all that to be lazy?
But that's OK, I'll accept being called a liar and keep sending out applications - call it maturity, of you will.
Say what you like, Canada so far has been a minor nightmare for me. We're all entitled to our own experiences and opinions, and that is mine. Fact is, I'm not interseted whether you agree or not, that was my experience.
I spent a week in hospital here once, and one of the orderlies was a fully qualified and experienced doctor from Europe who emigrated and was told on arrival that he had to start med school from the start again because he did not train in Canada and had no "Canadian experience". He couldn't afford that, so he remains here as an orderly and the Canadian doctors are safe from yet another thieving foreigner.
I guess the point I am making is that if you don't know what you are talking about you should not be making criticisms, judgements and pronouncements about other people - especially when they are asking for help.
The encouragement elsewhere on this Forum (unlike the last two posts) has moved me to see an Aviation Medical Examiner here in Canada about whether I might qualify for a pilot licence again. It turns out that after an eye test the first step is positive (20/30 separately, 20/20 together), and I am going on to try and achieve a Class I medical after the DOT reviews the circumstances of my operation and complications (one of my pupils is stuck open due to damage from the operation).
If that is possible, I will then decide if to risk part of the funds I have left to convert my ICAO Airline Transport Pilot Licence to Canadian and perhaps find a job flying here... with my many years of airline flying experience it's got to be easier than slugging it out at street level trying to make a new start.
Jim Lynch
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Take it from me, I don't qualify for UI. I knew that when I started the Landed Immigrant process, and I have asked since. It is as simple as that.
Since you don't believe nobody can be here for 6 hears and not get a job in his/her chosen profession I could invite you to see the evidence - thousands of applications, and more gone the way of crashed hard drives - and junked files when we moved apartments a few months ago after our rent went up 42%.
Hey, call me a liar again... tell me that's not legal, and I'd say you're right. But welcome to the real world, and what the hey, _you've_ got a job - I'm probably just one of those stupid lazy people, right?
Well, this "laziness" has cost me some CD$100,000 in living expenses out of my retirement fund over the last 6 years, and it's starting to look pretty slim now. Why would I risk all that to be lazy?
But that's OK, I'll accept being called a liar and keep sending out applications - call it maturity, of you will.
Say what you like, Canada so far has been a minor nightmare for me. We're all entitled to our own experiences and opinions, and that is mine. Fact is, I'm not interseted whether you agree or not, that was my experience.
I spent a week in hospital here once, and one of the orderlies was a fully qualified and experienced doctor from Europe who emigrated and was told on arrival that he had to start med school from the start again because he did not train in Canada and had no "Canadian experience". He couldn't afford that, so he remains here as an orderly and the Canadian doctors are safe from yet another thieving foreigner.
I guess the point I am making is that if you don't know what you are talking about you should not be making criticisms, judgements and pronouncements about other people - especially when they are asking for help.
The encouragement elsewhere on this Forum (unlike the last two posts) has moved me to see an Aviation Medical Examiner here in Canada about whether I might qualify for a pilot licence again. It turns out that after an eye test the first step is positive (20/30 separately, 20/20 together), and I am going on to try and achieve a Class I medical after the DOT reviews the circumstances of my operation and complications (one of my pupils is stuck open due to damage from the operation).
If that is possible, I will then decide if to risk part of the funds I have left to convert my ICAO Airline Transport Pilot Licence to Canadian and perhaps find a job flying here... with my many years of airline flying experience it's got to be easier than slugging it out at street level trying to make a new start.
Jim Lynch
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Jim,
No need to be defensive. I did not say that your story is a lie, I merely suggested it may not be the whole truth. However, youre right - - only you know your situation and perhaps it is a unique one.
The real reason I responded back to your quote is to ask/say: If you have been in this country for 6 yrs, then why didnt you apply for citizenship so taht you would have all the rights and benefits that you so sorely complain that you are not getting?
No need to be defensive. I did not say that your story is a lie, I merely suggested it may not be the whole truth. However, youre right - - only you know your situation and perhaps it is a unique one.
The real reason I responded back to your quote is to ask/say: If you have been in this country for 6 yrs, then why didnt you apply for citizenship so taht you would have all the rights and benefits that you so sorely complain that you are not getting?
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If I provided my life's story this Forum would be pretty overwhelmed, wouldn't it?
Citizenship is on the way, should be complete within a few months. It takes about a year for the Immigration Department to process the paper work from application...
I had to appeal to the Prime Minister to get my Landed status from under their backsides long (almost a year) after it was supposed to be issued so I could at least apply for work legally - I wonder if I will have to do the same in two years time to have my citizenship completed and papers issued.
Well, what do you know, there's another little pearl of my "Canadian experience" for us all to marvel at. Makes you wonder what all those people in the Canadian government with University Degrees are doing with their intelligence, doesn't it?
Jim Lynch
Citizenship is on the way, should be complete within a few months. It takes about a year for the Immigration Department to process the paper work from application...
I had to appeal to the Prime Minister to get my Landed status from under their backsides long (almost a year) after it was supposed to be issued so I could at least apply for work legally - I wonder if I will have to do the same in two years time to have my citizenship completed and papers issued.
Well, what do you know, there's another little pearl of my "Canadian experience" for us all to marvel at. Makes you wonder what all those people in the Canadian government with University Degrees are doing with their intelligence, doesn't it?
Jim Lynch
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Jim:
Congrats for taking your first step in getting your medical. Hope it will work out smoothly for you.
I have never called you a liar but obviously, you didn't tell us the whole truth earlier. OTOH, you don't have to. You have your rights to privacy. By the sound of it, you got your landed immigrant status with a minister's permit. I am no immigration lawyer and I don't know whether you can qualify for UI under such circumstances. In any case, good luck.
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Congrats for taking your first step in getting your medical. Hope it will work out smoothly for you.
I have never called you a liar but obviously, you didn't tell us the whole truth earlier. OTOH, you don't have to. You have your rights to privacy. By the sound of it, you got your landed immigrant status with a minister's permit. I am no immigration lawyer and I don't know whether you can qualify for UI under such circumstances. In any case, good luck.
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Thanks for the good wishes...
As someone who is rigorous about the truth and honesty I figure somebody is calling me a liar if I make a statement and the response is that my words cannot be the case.
I stated my situation in brief - you said that's not the way it works. What else can I conclude?
My daughter sponsored me into Canada, if you must know, and signed a 10-year bond with Immigration.
In the first instance that means I CANNOT draw UI without her being billed for it (plus administrative charges, no doubt). She cannot afford that kind of load, nor would I impose that on her.
In the second instance, to draw UI you must have worked somewhere. Since I have never worked anywhere and it is five years since I qualified to work here legally I CANNOT draw UI.
Have I made myself plain enough? The government have slammed the doors in most peoples faces as far as UI are concerned, and I know of natural Canadians who have trouble even applying for the benefit they have paid for if they get laid off.
Ditto for Canada Pension. If you are not born a Canadian you must work to pay into it - and you must pay into it to benefit. The money for CP is taken out when I file my income taxes but again, I do not qualify for it because I have not worked.
Hopefully after another $10,000 in training/certification expenses I may start working soon.
As someone who is rigorous about the truth and honesty I figure somebody is calling me a liar if I make a statement and the response is that my words cannot be the case.
I stated my situation in brief - you said that's not the way it works. What else can I conclude?
My daughter sponsored me into Canada, if you must know, and signed a 10-year bond with Immigration.
In the first instance that means I CANNOT draw UI without her being billed for it (plus administrative charges, no doubt). She cannot afford that kind of load, nor would I impose that on her.
In the second instance, to draw UI you must have worked somewhere. Since I have never worked anywhere and it is five years since I qualified to work here legally I CANNOT draw UI.
Have I made myself plain enough? The government have slammed the doors in most peoples faces as far as UI are concerned, and I know of natural Canadians who have trouble even applying for the benefit they have paid for if they get laid off.
Ditto for Canada Pension. If you are not born a Canadian you must work to pay into it - and you must pay into it to benefit. The money for CP is taken out when I file my income taxes but again, I do not qualify for it because I have not worked.
Hopefully after another $10,000 in training/certification expenses I may start working soon.
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Don't worry about CPP. By the time you get to 65, you can collect Old Age Security and Guranteed Income Supplement. I hope you will learn love and enjoy Canada. Remember this commercial by Molson's?
I AM CANADIAN (clears throat)
Hey....
I'm not a lumberjack, or a fur trader ...
and I don't live in an igloo, or eat blubber, or own a dogsled...
and I don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from Canada, although I'm certain they're really, really nice.
I have a Prime Minister, not a President.
I speak English and French, NOT American.
and I pronounce it 'ABOUT', NOT 'A BOOT'.
I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack.
I believe in peace keeping, NOT policing.
DIVERSITY, NOT assimilation,
AND THAT THE BEAVER IS A TRULY PROUD AND NOBLE ANIMAL.
A TOQUE IS A HAT, A CHESTERFIELD IS A COUCH,
AND IT IS PRONOUNCED 'ZED' NOT 'ZEE', 'ZED'!!!
CANADA IS THE SECOND LARGEST LANDMASS!
THE FIRST NATION OF HOCKEY! AND THE BEST PART OF NORTH AMERICA!
MY NAME IS JOE!! AND I AM CANADIAN!!!!!!!!
I AM CANADIAN (clears throat)
Hey....
I'm not a lumberjack, or a fur trader ...
and I don't live in an igloo, or eat blubber, or own a dogsled...
and I don't know Jimmy, Sally or Suzy from Canada, although I'm certain they're really, really nice.
I have a Prime Minister, not a President.
I speak English and French, NOT American.
and I pronounce it 'ABOUT', NOT 'A BOOT'.
I can proudly sew my country's flag on my backpack.
I believe in peace keeping, NOT policing.
DIVERSITY, NOT assimilation,
AND THAT THE BEAVER IS A TRULY PROUD AND NOBLE ANIMAL.
A TOQUE IS A HAT, A CHESTERFIELD IS A COUCH,
AND IT IS PRONOUNCED 'ZED' NOT 'ZEE', 'ZED'!!!
CANADA IS THE SECOND LARGEST LANDMASS!
THE FIRST NATION OF HOCKEY! AND THE BEST PART OF NORTH AMERICA!
MY NAME IS JOE!! AND I AM CANADIAN!!!!!!!!
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Jim
If Canada is a nightmare ( feel sorry 4 U ) don't u you think you should be in your country of Origin again?
It is not just enough to have a Canadian citizenship but to feel it too!
Getting defensive is not a good idea when you need help and feed back from Ppruners & Canadians.
If Canada is a nightmare ( feel sorry 4 U ) don't u you think you should be in your country of Origin again?
It is not just enough to have a Canadian citizenship but to feel it too!
Getting defensive is not a good idea when you need help and feed back from Ppruners & Canadians.
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Give the guy a break. He has already said that he would prefer not to be in Canada anymore. Hey, anybody would get defensive with so much winging going on. Either help the guy or leave him alone.
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Pelican,
No need to give the guy a break. He asked for help and got loads of it. Then he got some attitude for no apparent reason but eventually came down of his horse to rejoin the rest of us on terra firma. Read it all again if you need to see it unfold properly.
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No need to give the guy a break. He asked for help and got loads of it. Then he got some attitude for no apparent reason but eventually came down of his horse to rejoin the rest of us on terra firma. Read it all again if you need to see it unfold properly.
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I asked for help, and got loads of it, for sure. Then I was asked how come I was not using UI, and my very truthful response was questioned - twice.
So, sure as heck an attitude came into play here - I'm not accustomed to being called a liar. And your superficial comment of "no apparent reason" continues to demand my "attitude". As a Canadian I am sure you would also have a problem with a challenge to your civility.
I'm very grateful to people who will offer help, but I have a severe problem when my honesty is brought into question.
How come it is only (some) Canadians who questioned me? How come all other nationalities - British especially - offered me practical advice, contacts and help, but only (some) Canadians thought it was properly their place to take my appeal for a fake?
I met the same kind of arrogance here in Canada when I started in IT. Asking a question brought out certain retards all over you with attacks instead of explaining and helping out.
I'd like to publicly offer a bare ass and a special mention in the Hall of Shame to all the unfriendly Canadians I came across HERE who behaved like complete macho morons - NONE of these backward hosers wrote to me directly, preferring instead to hide behind their Pprune alias. It has made me a much more wary individual and less inclined to offer a hand where once I used to pitch in and give one hundred percent.
And yes, I also invite everyone to read this thread all again - impartially, if that is at all possible in this unforgiving Great White North of the Third World - and judge for themselves.
A true thanks - long and loud applause - to those who offered assistance here and in direct emails (the majority). I do sincerely appreciate your offers and advice and have followed up every trail.
I have started the process for a Class I medical and will no doubt complete a Canadian ALTP in the next couple of months. Hopefully I can take advantage of the shortage of pilots and find a position with one of the carriers.
As far as I am concerned this thread is now closed. Certainly I will not be back, no matter what BACK-BITING, JUVENILE and COWARDLY comments follow this post in the safgety of their concealed anonymity. I leave those responses to the judgement of other viewers.
Finally, thanks again to the existence of the Pprune Forum, without which I would not have discovered that I can finally find my way forward again.
JL
So, sure as heck an attitude came into play here - I'm not accustomed to being called a liar. And your superficial comment of "no apparent reason" continues to demand my "attitude". As a Canadian I am sure you would also have a problem with a challenge to your civility.
I'm very grateful to people who will offer help, but I have a severe problem when my honesty is brought into question.
How come it is only (some) Canadians who questioned me? How come all other nationalities - British especially - offered me practical advice, contacts and help, but only (some) Canadians thought it was properly their place to take my appeal for a fake?
I met the same kind of arrogance here in Canada when I started in IT. Asking a question brought out certain retards all over you with attacks instead of explaining and helping out.
I'd like to publicly offer a bare ass and a special mention in the Hall of Shame to all the unfriendly Canadians I came across HERE who behaved like complete macho morons - NONE of these backward hosers wrote to me directly, preferring instead to hide behind their Pprune alias. It has made me a much more wary individual and less inclined to offer a hand where once I used to pitch in and give one hundred percent.
And yes, I also invite everyone to read this thread all again - impartially, if that is at all possible in this unforgiving Great White North of the Third World - and judge for themselves.
A true thanks - long and loud applause - to those who offered assistance here and in direct emails (the majority). I do sincerely appreciate your offers and advice and have followed up every trail.
I have started the process for a Class I medical and will no doubt complete a Canadian ALTP in the next couple of months. Hopefully I can take advantage of the shortage of pilots and find a position with one of the carriers.
As far as I am concerned this thread is now closed. Certainly I will not be back, no matter what BACK-BITING, JUVENILE and COWARDLY comments follow this post in the safgety of their concealed anonymity. I leave those responses to the judgement of other viewers.
Finally, thanks again to the existence of the Pprune Forum, without which I would not have discovered that I can finally find my way forward again.
JL
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Man Oh Man!
You are such a rude person that I am not surprised that life is not treating you good. You have No respect for anyone / anything.
Know what? People like you should be in countries like Saudia and Singapore --get my drift??
Try your verbal diarrhoea there and see what the outcome would be.
If I were Mr. Chretien I would personally THROW YOU OUT.
Ingratitude is thy name.
Incidently what were you doing for 6 years? why did you not renew your licence?
We all know you will be reading our posts. I doubt if any of us Ppruners want your responses now.
Here is a poem written by me(copyright Protected & published)
Maybe it will help you.
Carefully watch your thoughts, for they will become your words,
Manage and mouth your words, for they shall become your Actions,
Consider and judge your actions, for they will become your habits;
Acknowledge and form your habits, for they shall become your Character,
Understand and Embrace your character
For it will share your Destiny.
You are such a rude person that I am not surprised that life is not treating you good. You have No respect for anyone / anything.
Know what? People like you should be in countries like Saudia and Singapore --get my drift??
Try your verbal diarrhoea there and see what the outcome would be.
If I were Mr. Chretien I would personally THROW YOU OUT.
Ingratitude is thy name.
Incidently what were you doing for 6 years? why did you not renew your licence?
We all know you will be reading our posts. I doubt if any of us Ppruners want your responses now.
Here is a poem written by me(copyright Protected & published)
Maybe it will help you.
Carefully watch your thoughts, for they will become your words,
Manage and mouth your words, for they shall become your Actions,
Consider and judge your actions, for they will become your habits;
Acknowledge and form your habits, for they shall become your Character,
Understand and Embrace your character
For it will share your Destiny.
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Jimlyn,
The best of luck to you. Good idea posting a plea for help in this forum - there are many people who like to help others out. Don't defend yourself. People who haven't been in your position don't fully comprehend, and you are finding yourself exposing more and more personal information, which really isn't necessary. I understand situations like "unable to draw on unemployment insurance" etc. - It happens, I don't need to know the details and respect your privacy. I also understand that while you are not Canadian by birth, & there is a little discomfort being in a new place, full of new accents, manners & social standards. Sometimes people move out of their place of birth or choice location for all sorts of reasons, & yours maybe to be close to remaining family who are unable to move. I fully understand the difficulties with being over 50 and looking for employment. I even understand the difficulties with being over 25 and looking for employment. There are situations that one needs to experience first hand to fully comprehend the humiliation, frustration & loss of self esteem. You are trying (even if it does tire you out), & using all contemporary resources available (e.g. pprune) - hang in there, you are someone's Dad, Friend, Partner, Neighbour & are valued in these roles - one day may even be yourself again too, which will be a bonus.
Kind regards & best wishes.
The best of luck to you. Good idea posting a plea for help in this forum - there are many people who like to help others out. Don't defend yourself. People who haven't been in your position don't fully comprehend, and you are finding yourself exposing more and more personal information, which really isn't necessary. I understand situations like "unable to draw on unemployment insurance" etc. - It happens, I don't need to know the details and respect your privacy. I also understand that while you are not Canadian by birth, & there is a little discomfort being in a new place, full of new accents, manners & social standards. Sometimes people move out of their place of birth or choice location for all sorts of reasons, & yours maybe to be close to remaining family who are unable to move. I fully understand the difficulties with being over 50 and looking for employment. I even understand the difficulties with being over 25 and looking for employment. There are situations that one needs to experience first hand to fully comprehend the humiliation, frustration & loss of self esteem. You are trying (even if it does tire you out), & using all contemporary resources available (e.g. pprune) - hang in there, you are someone's Dad, Friend, Partner, Neighbour & are valued in these roles - one day may even be yourself again too, which will be a bonus.
Kind regards & best wishes.
