Job opportunities for a 737 pilot
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Job opportunities for a 737 pilot
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I am an indian pilot on 737s thinking of immigrating to canada .Just wondering if i would get a flying job if i landed up there and got my licence converted.
I have got about 6000hrs of flying with about 1000hrs as capt. on b737 ngs and about 5000hrs of co pilot time on b737 and turboprops like the ATR 72/ Kingair b200/caravan F406 .
I make a take home salary of about 7500 usd .Any inputs to help me take a call would be really welcome.As you can imagine,its a big decision for me and my family.I expect to take a hit on the saving /earning potential but I am looking for a change in my family's way of life.Any positive /negative pointers would be welcome......
Thanks in advance
I am an indian pilot on 737s thinking of immigrating to canada .Just wondering if i would get a flying job if i landed up there and got my licence converted.
I have got about 6000hrs of flying with about 1000hrs as capt. on b737 ngs and about 5000hrs of co pilot time on b737 and turboprops like the ATR 72/ Kingair b200/caravan F406 .
I make a take home salary of about 7500 usd .Any inputs to help me take a call would be really welcome.As you can imagine,its a big decision for me and my family.I expect to take a hit on the saving /earning potential but I am looking for a change in my family's way of life.Any positive /negative pointers would be welcome......
Thanks in advance
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Hi there how are you.
I was born in India never lived there however. Been in Canada all my life. And I going to tell you one advice from my side. Don't leave your current job. I'm a captain here too. With you salary you can live like a king in India. After taxes and other deductions which are almost 50%, and I have to save 20% for a savings cause I don't have a pension plan. I take home $3600.00 a month. Then I have to pay a mortgage of $1400.00, Utilities, food, insurence, gas, etc almost an additional of $600.00. Then other exspenses for entertainment. I am single so I get by pay cheque to pay cheque. But if you have children it's very difficult. And if you come you'll be coming as an F/O. We don't have DEC's in North America. So your starting wage will be 1/3 of what I make. The grass is always greener on the otherside, so you think. But it's not, it's the same pile of **** everywhere. STAY PUT. Cheers
I was born in India never lived there however. Been in Canada all my life. And I going to tell you one advice from my side. Don't leave your current job. I'm a captain here too. With you salary you can live like a king in India. After taxes and other deductions which are almost 50%, and I have to save 20% for a savings cause I don't have a pension plan. I take home $3600.00 a month. Then I have to pay a mortgage of $1400.00, Utilities, food, insurence, gas, etc almost an additional of $600.00. Then other exspenses for entertainment. I am single so I get by pay cheque to pay cheque. But if you have children it's very difficult. And if you come you'll be coming as an F/O. We don't have DEC's in North America. So your starting wage will be 1/3 of what I make. The grass is always greener on the otherside, so you think. But it's not, it's the same pile of **** everywhere. STAY PUT. Cheers
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Agreed
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Couldn't agree more. Starting from scratch in Canada will put you at about 38-40K a year. Losing half of that to tax and having to support a family makes it nearly impossible. Let's hope this Canada can catch up with the rest of the world in terms of salary in the near future. The pilots here have been abused too long.
Couldn't agree more. Starting from scratch in Canada will put you at about 38-40K a year. Losing half of that to tax and having to support a family makes it nearly impossible. Let's hope this Canada can catch up with the rest of the world in terms of salary in the near future. The pilots here have been abused too long.
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Canada is a great country for average labourers but it hits hard on people who are making above average income. That's why so many Canadians pilots move abroad.
Right now, India is booming (comes with its pains, I know) and Canada in holding its breath about the recession South of the border... If I were you, I would stick to India.
Right now, India is booming (comes with its pains, I know) and Canada in holding its breath about the recession South of the border... If I were you, I would stick to India.
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Thanks alot for all the feed back.the info is as i suspected it might be.I suppose I really need to think things out carefully before plunging in.Once again thanks for the frank replies from every one relly appreciate it..
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Canada's taxes aren't as bad as they all make out. Someone on 35-40k won't be paying 50%, more like 15-20% on their paycheck. Sure there are other taxes (gas tax, property tax, etc...) but let's consider it all into perspective.. True, the top marginal tax rate is almost 50% but that's only on earnings above about $120k a year.
Besides, you get a lot better value for your tax dollar in Canada than you do in most other developed economies (health care, law enforcement, public recreation facilities).
Besides, you get a lot better value for your tax dollar in Canada than you do in most other developed economies (health care, law enforcement, public recreation facilities).
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True, but an experienced 737 captain should be earning over $120k a year, not $38-40k. The problem with Canada is there aren't really any jobs available that provide an income commensurate with his experience.
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an experienced 737 captain should be earning over $120k a year, not $38-40k
He would come over as a FO and get paid as such. I have over 5000hrs military experience but that does not give me a leg up on the financial ladder.
just my 2cts (before taxes) worth.
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That's my point exactly. He's a pilot with command experience on the 737. In most parts of the world, he would be able to find employment as a direct entry captain, albeit not in a legacy airline. There are almost no such opportunities in Canada and most experienced pilots would not want to "start again". Especially at those terrible wages.
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Sunwing Airlines?
Sunwing Airlines in Toronto is actively looking for Direct Entry Captains for its fleet of B737-800. First year base salary is $80,000 second year base salary is $100,000.
www.flysunwing.com
www.flysunwing.com
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Excellent comments from those in the know.
WestJet, which is now the #2 airline in Canada and only has 737s in its fleet and is based in Calgary, a city with very high housing costs. The average home price in Calgary is approaching half a million. In Vancouver, the average home price exceeds that.
That certainly would be a major consideration for anyone thinking of immigrating to Canada - particularly Western Canada.
WestJet, which is now the #2 airline in Canada and only has 737s in its fleet and is based in Calgary, a city with very high housing costs. The average home price in Calgary is approaching half a million. In Vancouver, the average home price exceeds that.
That certainly would be a major consideration for anyone thinking of immigrating to Canada - particularly Western Canada.
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Taxes in Canada are nowhere near 50%, unless you make over $100,000 per year. There is plenty of real estate in Calgary AND Vancouver that doesn't cost $500,000. You just have to not expect a 2000 foot house.
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Hi buddy.totally understand your predicament.but the fact is that if you apply for migration as a skilled worker to canada today while you are still in India your application wont even come up for processing until another 3 years atleast.with your salary it wont be a problem for you to apply now.all you have to do is fill up a form and send it to the embassy with the processing fee which is about Rs 50000 for a couple.The canadian authorities are trying to streamline and expedite the process of immigration but trust me the number of desi applications they get is not funny.if you apply today you will only get the permanent resident status after about 3-4 years.by then you will have a lot more savings and experience.Also if you decide not to go all you lose is the processing fee.and if im not wrong once you get the resident status you have an additional three years within which you must move to canada or you would have to reapply.that means you have about six years to plan.I agree that the pay in canada would be sad but there are a lot of benefits that they get for paying those high taxes.I strongly suggest you fill up that form tomorow.You can decide whether or not to move depending on your mood and situation when you application is approved.Atleast that way you will have an option and all you stand to lose is about half a lac.check the canadian governments website on immigration.Good luck
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it is true that desi applications under the skilled worker category take over 3 years. but after you get the visa, you have until the date your medicals(immigration) expire, which is usually one year from the date you took your immigration medical.
after you arrive, you are allowed to spend up to 2 years out of every 5 years outside of canada. time spent outside canada while working for a canadian company qualifies as well.
after you arrive, you are allowed to spend up to 2 years out of every 5 years outside of canada. time spent outside canada while working for a canadian company qualifies as well.
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Thanx for correcting me St.
The thing is that once your applicaton is approved the Canadian immigration authorities give you a visa to go to Canada.Once you go to Canada you then get your Canadian Green Card.If for some reason you do not go and your medical expires you hav to start the whole process again.But I believe that once you get your GC you must then spend atleast three years out of the next five years living in Canada.So it seems that you can technically still live in India for another two years after getting your Green Card.This is what a friend who recently migrated told me but I havent found it written anywhere.If some one could please verify.
The thing is that once your applicaton is approved the Canadian immigration authorities give you a visa to go to Canada.Once you go to Canada you then get your Canadian Green Card.If for some reason you do not go and your medical expires you hav to start the whole process again.But I believe that once you get your GC you must then spend atleast three years out of the next five years living in Canada.So it seems that you can technically still live in India for another two years after getting your Green Card.This is what a friend who recently migrated told me but I havent found it written anywhere.If some one could please verify.
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Capt Apache,
Almost right, but it's two years out of every five in Canada (730 days technically). So you get three years to move there once you have "landed" yourself. There is also a get-out clause which states that days outside of Canada but with a Canadian citizen also count towards this total, so if you are married to one, then no worries about counting the days. Its all on the immigration website, although the fine print requires digging.
Almost right, but it's two years out of every five in Canada (730 days technically). So you get three years to move there once you have "landed" yourself. There is also a get-out clause which states that days outside of Canada but with a Canadian citizen also count towards this total, so if you are married to one, then no worries about counting the days. Its all on the immigration website, although the fine print requires digging.
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so, fulfilling ONE of a or b or c qualifies someone to keep their status.
a) being in Canada at least 730 days every 5 years or b) living with a Canadian Spouse overseas or c) working for a Canadian company(such as Westjet, AirCanada, etc)
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/canada-..._retour-en.asp
Permanent residents comply with the residency obligation if, for at least 730 days in every five-year period:
they are physically present in Canada or,
they are outside Canada accompanying a Canadian citizen who is their spouse or common-law partner or, in the case of a child, their parent or,
they are outside Canada employed on a full-time basis by a Canadian business or in the public service of Canada or of a province or,
they are outside Canada accompanying a permanent resident who is their spouse or common-law partner or, in the case of a child, their parent, and who is employed on a full-time basis by a Canadian business or in the public service of Canada or of a province
a) being in Canada at least 730 days every 5 years or b) living with a Canadian Spouse overseas or c) working for a Canadian company(such as Westjet, AirCanada, etc)
http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/canada-..._retour-en.asp
Permanent residents comply with the residency obligation if, for at least 730 days in every five-year period:
they are physically present in Canada or,
they are outside Canada accompanying a Canadian citizen who is their spouse or common-law partner or, in the case of a child, their parent or,
they are outside Canada employed on a full-time basis by a Canadian business or in the public service of Canada or of a province or,
they are outside Canada accompanying a permanent resident who is their spouse or common-law partner or, in the case of a child, their parent, and who is employed on a full-time basis by a Canadian business or in the public service of Canada or of a province
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Okay guys that was great help.
I have about 3000 hrs on B 737(F/O).Now the 737 is endorsed on my Indian license.If I were to clear the Canadian Atpl would I also have to do some sort of simulator training on 737 in Canada to endorse it on my Canadian license or would they recognise my experience here in India and endorse it anyway.Also,I understand that there is a provision where you get a years permit to fly in Canada without converting your license.Is that right?
I have about 3000 hrs on B 737(F/O).Now the 737 is endorsed on my Indian license.If I were to clear the Canadian Atpl would I also have to do some sort of simulator training on 737 in Canada to endorse it on my Canadian license or would they recognise my experience here in India and endorse it anyway.Also,I understand that there is a provision where you get a years permit to fly in Canada without converting your license.Is that right?