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Old 9th Jan 2008, 11:14
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f/o training

Hi any one know about visa etc. if l (UK holds FAA CFII MEI) wanna do an F/O
course here. Have been on the end of a ringing phone to the london embassy for hrs and hrs and..................
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 12:25
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what do you mean by F/O course ????
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 12:32
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er ...... sit in right seat and read a book. ...........duh

Some charter or airlines offer training as 1st officers.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 12:49
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In Canada this is called a "JOB" and you get paid for it. If you want to come over to reduce everyone's T & Cs, well, you are not welcome. Perhaps you could call Ezy or Ryanair...
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 12:59
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As far as I know it is called a "job" quite a lot around the world!! Unless I am mistaken....
Maybe he meant "book" as aerodrome charts....easy mistake...tehehe
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 13:28
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hmmm different country forum, same stupid answers. And they say that its a Profession.............
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 15:08
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Stupid question, more like.

Like you said, it is a profession, so leave it to the professionals and find a different career.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 16:00
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Though I don't disagree with some of the comments you guys have the tendency to be quite harsh LOL. Oh well I suppose its that harshness that discourages people from making stupid threads.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 18:10
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Hmmm and yet more moronic answers to a simple question.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 18:30
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Ok here's a simple answer to your 'simple' question (I'll try not to make it to Moronic for you):

NO.

There is no visa, and no courses of the type you are asking about. Go to the USA for that sort of thing.

And don't bother coming back because if you think that an FO's job is to read books then you wouldn't last two seconds with me, or anyone else I'm afraid.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 18:37
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morons

I realy like when people DONT do their homework..... I wouldn't have asked the question had there not been the course in the first place. As i said moronic stupid answers.............
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 19:14
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Oh, sorry sir. Yes, quite right I should have done my homework. I will try my best to do better next time. So sorry to have let you down.

I think its time to close this thread.
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 20:25
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visa

I had asked a simple question about if a visa is needed to go to Canada for a training course. I didnt expect it to become a slanging match.............
It was a profesional question and it would have been nice had someone given a profesional answer.....
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 21:36
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Malc4d, as a foreigner, you will need a student visa to go to Canada and enroll in any course. Yet, I am not aware of any airline there running a sponsorship program like the one you've mentioned.

Good luck
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Old 9th Jan 2008, 21:52
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Thumbs up

Ahhh see how easy it is to give a sensible reply.....
Thanks for your info. saw it in a link this morning, think its in a 1900 or 99.

Ive paid for my ppl, my cpl,my multi ir and my cfii, mei. l would rather not pay anymore.........
But if it gets me to fly, and learn more about flying ' the line ' and be useful on the flightdeck, then oh well......others have done it before me.

AND before anyone jumps down on me l repeat: l would rather not.......
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 17:34
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I too am not aware of any such courses in Canada, just a few in the US. The funny thing is that in the US, currently regional airlines are hiring pilots to fly 1900s, Dashs and even RJs with as low as 250 hours. While the pay is exceptionally low, they are still getting paid.

I do not know the exact realities of the industry in Europe. However, it is my understanding that there are far less entry level jobs as there are in Canada. In Canada it is difficult enough to get a job as a low time pilot and it usually requires working the ramp in some remote northern town or instructing. In Europe, I hear that those types of jobs are far more difficult to come by. However, getting an airline job seems to be significantly easier.

Looking at this reality in Europe (and other parts of the world) I do not make a judgement call on the appropriateness of 'paying for a job' for European pilots.

In Canada (and likely the US) however, this practice should not be condoned. It is difficult to get your first flying job, but it can be done. The problem with flying for free or paying for a 'job' is that the airlines who pay their pilots have to compete with airlines that don't.

The old saying is that if you want to make a small fortune in the airline industry, you should start with a big fortune! Airlines do not make tonnes of money. As it is, the entry level jobs for Canadian pilots are rather low paying. If those airlines who pay their pilots have to compete against airlines that don't pay their pilots, there will be added costs. This could eventually lead to the airline no longer being profitable.

The reasoning of the initial poster was that paying to fly means that he or she can get experience so he can get a job that pays well. However, if airlines that pay well have to lower their wages (or possibly go out of business) because they have to compete against airlines that don't pay pilots, there will be no point in having paid for your job as there will be no high paying airlines to move to.

The above is obviously an extreme example, but nonetheless, working or paying for a job is detrimental to the pilot profession as a whole.

Flying is a job. It is a career. It can be a very good career and can put food on the table. Getting hours in and of itself is not a form of payment. In my opinion, if the airline is making money off your services as a pilot, you deserve to be paid.

As stated, I do not wish to try and impose Canadian pilot 'morality' on pilots in the rest of the world, however, this is why the reaction from some was so harsh. I understand that the situation is far different in other countries and while unfortunate, this may be the necessary reality to get a job. It is too bad that is the case though. While sacrifices need to be made to succeed, paying for experience is not something that should happen.

Cheers,
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Old 10th Jan 2008, 21:00
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Thanks James for another great reply.

l dont want to pay anymore for more training that the next pilot.
But with an FAA license in euroland worth about as much as toilet paper, l need to get as much worthwhile flight time as possable.
Why is it deemed ' ok ' to pay for a type rating, but not to pay less for turbine time than say doing the 100.00 hamburger flights in a rented seminol, l dont know.
Surely it makes more sense to get the experiance flying 135 opps ???

It does seem most of these courses are in the USA, but that brings TSA and visa probs. Had seen a link to one in Canada, thats why the thread in the first place.......... didnt think that it would turn into a stupid worthless slanging match

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Old 11th Jan 2008, 03:01
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Don't call him Shirley.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 05:34
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You post a question regarding flying for free in a canadian forum you can guarantee it's going to turn into a slagging match wether you expected it or not.

Maybe after you've been flying for 10 years and are still getting paid entry level wages you'll understand why you got the reaction you did.
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Old 11th Jan 2008, 09:55
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FOR FREE !!!!!!!!!! where does it say for free.......... thought i was gonna pay a lot of money into the Canadian system. flights to Canada, car rental, hotel rental AND the fee to fly plus food living expences ......... etc
FREE hah !
maybe you'ed better read the thread again..................
Thanks to those of you who posted sensable replies. ....
the others.,go back to your toyboxes
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