Which Canadian Carrier Would You Wanna Fly For?
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Which Canadian Carrier Would You Wanna Fly For?
We all know the top dogs AC and WJ. Then there's Cargojet, Kelowna Flight, Porter, Cdn North, First Air, etc
Who would you wanna fly for and why?
Who would you wanna fly for and why?
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Fly in Canada...are you kidding!?!?
Been there,done that,got the t-shirt....not to be repeated....as a previous post stated...go east of 30W....and good luck.
RWTY
Been there,done that,got the t-shirt....not to be repeated....as a previous post stated...go east of 30W....and good luck.RWTY
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Agreed wholeheartedly.
NONE OF THEM!
I love Canada, it's my home and I will return when I retire, money safely stashed offshore. Until then it's a beautiful place to visit...just not somewhere to make a living that is acceptable to me flying airplanes.
"Top dogs?!" In their own minds maybe.
NONE OF THEM!
I love Canada, it's my home and I will return when I retire, money safely stashed offshore. Until then it's a beautiful place to visit...just not somewhere to make a living that is acceptable to me flying airplanes.
"Top dogs?!" In their own minds maybe.
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I love Canada, it's my home and I will return when I retire, money safely stashed offshore.
Ya, we really want you back so you can partake of our medical system even though you have contributed very little.
Ya, we really want you back so you can partake of our medical system even though you have contributed very little.
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Thanks, but with my Canadian passport I really won't feel the need for your permission.
Coupla things:
The Canadian medical system is a joke. More people die on the waiting lists of our vaunted "system"...you should maybe ask their surviving family members what they think of Canada's medical system before trying to act like it's wonderful. It isn't a system in trouble...it's a system that the wheels have fallen right off. My own experiences combined with the horror stories I have heard from two closest friends, one a GP in Ontario and the other an ER physio in BC, make me thankful I am no longer dependent on a system that can no longer guarantee the admittedly high ideals it started out with. As the population ages it will only continue to get worse.
Secondly...YOU are more of a burden on the health care system than I am, presently. Yes, I pay no Canadian tax - I also receive no health care from the Canadian system. Since the system operates at a loss - YOU are more of a liability - at least right now I don't cost the system anything! When I return, I will be paying the same premiums and taxes as everyone else, and will receive the same level of "care" (see paragragh above) as everyone else. No benefit beyond what you have now. So get over yourself.
Frankly, you sound like the typical Canadian whiner who doesn't want to move outside the country, but has to take shots at those who actually took a chance and had it pay off...enjoy your "contributing" to the federal government!
Coupla things:
The Canadian medical system is a joke. More people die on the waiting lists of our vaunted "system"...you should maybe ask their surviving family members what they think of Canada's medical system before trying to act like it's wonderful. It isn't a system in trouble...it's a system that the wheels have fallen right off. My own experiences combined with the horror stories I have heard from two closest friends, one a GP in Ontario and the other an ER physio in BC, make me thankful I am no longer dependent on a system that can no longer guarantee the admittedly high ideals it started out with. As the population ages it will only continue to get worse.
Secondly...YOU are more of a burden on the health care system than I am, presently. Yes, I pay no Canadian tax - I also receive no health care from the Canadian system. Since the system operates at a loss - YOU are more of a liability - at least right now I don't cost the system anything! When I return, I will be paying the same premiums and taxes as everyone else, and will receive the same level of "care" (see paragragh above) as everyone else. No benefit beyond what you have now. So get over yourself.
Frankly, you sound like the typical Canadian whiner who doesn't want to move outside the country, but has to take shots at those who actually took a chance and had it pay off...enjoy your "contributing" to the federal government!
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If the government were to be more responsible with our tax dollars... then I would have no problem paying canadian taxes.... but with all the special interest groups and money spent on useless study after useless study and such, there is hardly a way to keep any of your hard earned dollars in canada. Those that are able to move away and keep some of the hard earned dollars... do. The others... well, I admire your dedication to a country that robs and steals from it's citizens. Will I retire in canada? perhaps. Maybe have a summer home there, and winter south?? more likely.
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My sentiments exactly nolimit and yoohoo. I remember waiting 3-6hrs in the emerg in Montreal. Doctors being forced to work overtime because of shortage and an over-demand for medical services. Where I am now, half way around the world, I wait for 15 minutes in the emerg, then right to the specialist.By the way, nobody mentioned Transat
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Nolimitholdem,
Not related to Lord Black of Up- the- Creek are you?
Snotty Canadian expat attitude. We pay here, but most time that I exit the Customs hall from almost anywhere I return from, South America, Europe of Asia, I am glad to be back.
Just spent a week in Rome...2 bucks a litre for gas, 4 bucks for a Coke, $440K for a 800 sq foot apartment...about the same prices as my 3600 sq foot house with pool in Oakville! Yeah, we pay some tax here, and yeah, I'd like to pay less....but we have it pretttty good here in Canada compared to a good portion of the planet.
I believe you are mislead about who is "a liabilty" to our health care system. I'm thinkin' it's older folks....whether they made their wealth off-shore or not. But if you think current redsidents are the draw on the system, the ones paying the big tax bucks, I think you may need some schooling in eco and ergo-nomics.
So, fill your boots with off-shore cash... and retire on an island somewhere. It sounds like it would be better for all of us.
BH
Not related to Lord Black of Up- the- Creek are you?
Snotty Canadian expat attitude. We pay here, but most time that I exit the Customs hall from almost anywhere I return from, South America, Europe of Asia, I am glad to be back.
Just spent a week in Rome...2 bucks a litre for gas, 4 bucks for a Coke, $440K for a 800 sq foot apartment...about the same prices as my 3600 sq foot house with pool in Oakville! Yeah, we pay some tax here, and yeah, I'd like to pay less....but we have it pretttty good here in Canada compared to a good portion of the planet.
I believe you are mislead about who is "a liabilty" to our health care system. I'm thinkin' it's older folks....whether they made their wealth off-shore or not. But if you think current redsidents are the draw on the system, the ones paying the big tax bucks, I think you may need some schooling in eco and ergo-nomics.
So, fill your boots with off-shore cash... and retire on an island somewhere. It sounds like it would be better for all of us.
BH
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BH,
er maybe if the Canadian dollar wasnt such a weak currency you wouldnt be paying so much for things overseas. remember we who work overseas get paid in the local currency! frankly when I convert my salary into Can$ it makes the rates of pay in Canada embarrassing......
property prices may be high overseas.....but its an investment that keeps growing.
i dont care how cheap or supersized a Tim Hortons coffee or McDonalds burger is. you wouldnt find me at either place...
and I cant think of a nicer place than Rome to have a real coffee. No double doubles, red necks, stretchy jogging pants (can you say obese), hunting jackets or dirty baseball caps...
its not the old that will bring the health service to its knees its the fat pigs stuffing themselves everyday with the (cheap?) crap food on the supermarket shelves (fast food joints and buffets).....all i can say is......fill your boots dude!
er maybe if the Canadian dollar wasnt such a weak currency you wouldnt be paying so much for things overseas. remember we who work overseas get paid in the local currency! frankly when I convert my salary into Can$ it makes the rates of pay in Canada embarrassing......
property prices may be high overseas.....but its an investment that keeps growing.
i dont care how cheap or supersized a Tim Hortons coffee or McDonalds burger is. you wouldnt find me at either place...
and I cant think of a nicer place than Rome to have a real coffee. No double doubles, red necks, stretchy jogging pants (can you say obese), hunting jackets or dirty baseball caps...its not the old that will bring the health service to its knees its the fat pigs stuffing themselves everyday with the (cheap?) crap food on the supermarket shelves (fast food joints and buffets).....all i can say is......fill your boots dude!
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are you kidding?
... I left Canada 3 years ago because I had no choice.
Go to AC ... come on ... 40 something for 2 years!!! No professional pilot would work for that! It would be great for a min time wonder jock but not for anyone with experience.
The rest of the airlines are not so bad but no money can be made for a real life.
Living outside Canada makes you want to come home more and more, but not to a ****ty AC job dealing with their crap. I`ll make my money and retire back home in comfort ... not having to fly to 65 just to pay off all the debts I had to incur.
BTW: Flew home last month and spoke to a "senior" AC crew. They are NOT happy ... ole bobby milton is due to leave AC with 50 million in bonuses!!! FOR What ... THATS the canadian airline way ... no thanks.
... I left Canada 3 years ago because I had no choice.
Go to AC ... come on ... 40 something for 2 years!!! No professional pilot would work for that! It would be great for a min time wonder jock but not for anyone with experience.
The rest of the airlines are not so bad but no money can be made for a real life.
Living outside Canada makes you want to come home more and more, but not to a ****ty AC job dealing with their crap. I`ll make my money and retire back home in comfort ... not having to fly to 65 just to pay off all the debts I had to incur.
BTW: Flew home last month and spoke to a "senior" AC crew. They are NOT happy ... ole bobby milton is due to leave AC with 50 million in bonuses!!! FOR What ... THATS the canadian airline way ... no thanks.
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in the other end, spending the weekend @ the in law, hat fun in the snow with the kid and nephews, had a few beers going to watch a hockey game tonight and celebrate St Pat in Ottawa, In glad the wife is driving.... enjoy your money and take it to hell... did I mention we're going to the sugar bush tomorrow...
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bzh
"take your money to hell"
must be a real pleasure to be on the flight deck with you ...
FYI ... half a world away and I did the same thing you did minus the snow and the live NHL game ... BUT did play on ICE ... cheers.
must be a real pleasure to be on the flight deck with you ...
FYI ... half a world away and I did the same thing you did minus the snow and the live NHL game ... BUT did play on ICE ... cheers.
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Sorry nolimitholdem if I hurt your feelings, but for crying out loud where did I say our medical system is wonderful??? It sucks! But if everyone thought like you....who would stay here and keep funding what little we have? The first Nation people
It's tax time here in Canada as you well know, and your comment about stashing offshore just hit a wrong nerve. Btw, I am NOT a pilot so going overseas is not an option for me.
What I read in your post is "Hey, look at me, I don't pay high taxes and I can hide my money offshore....I'll come home live like a king and laugh at all the poor saps that stayed and got raped by the government."
Don't expect a welcome home party from us saps.
It's tax time here in Canada as you well know, and your comment about stashing offshore just hit a wrong nerve. Btw, I am NOT a pilot so going overseas is not an option for me.
What I read in your post is "Hey, look at me, I don't pay high taxes and I can hide my money offshore....I'll come home live like a king and laugh at all the poor saps that stayed and got raped by the government."
Don't expect a welcome home party from us saps.
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well, since this post is specific to pilots lets focus there,
however, Azure.
It is not only pilots which tend to gravitate overseas, it is many many different people in lots of diverse career paths.
But we need to face reality, and as pilots we have very little to no choices in Canada.
You reach a point in your career where returning is just not an option, the starting WJ or AC salary is so appallingly low, it is not even worth considering, and when you then remove the tax, and additional deductions, it makes a mockery of being a pilot to be honest.
Most of us overseas can make that in 2-3 months, and sit the balance of the year, if thats the wage we would be content with.
Sure Canada is a wonderful place, and I would imagine that most of us in a somber moment tend to think how nice it may be to be back, but then you give your head a shake and realise that there are NO jobs there! none.
I have noticed that Canadian pilots tend to fall into two groups, the people who just cannot see beyond the borders, and those who launch out and are willing to try the rest of the world.
This group finds that there is an amazing amount of jobs available to Canadians, far more that there ever will be in Canada.
Returning for most of us is only an option when we are in a position to not need a job, can return morgage free and with sufficient funds to support the lifestyle you choose.
however, Azure.
It is not only pilots which tend to gravitate overseas, it is many many different people in lots of diverse career paths.
But we need to face reality, and as pilots we have very little to no choices in Canada.
You reach a point in your career where returning is just not an option, the starting WJ or AC salary is so appallingly low, it is not even worth considering, and when you then remove the tax, and additional deductions, it makes a mockery of being a pilot to be honest.
Most of us overseas can make that in 2-3 months, and sit the balance of the year, if thats the wage we would be content with.
Sure Canada is a wonderful place, and I would imagine that most of us in a somber moment tend to think how nice it may be to be back, but then you give your head a shake and realise that there are NO jobs there! none.
I have noticed that Canadian pilots tend to fall into two groups, the people who just cannot see beyond the borders, and those who launch out and are willing to try the rest of the world.
This group finds that there is an amazing amount of jobs available to Canadians, far more that there ever will be in Canada.
Returning for most of us is only an option when we are in a position to not need a job, can return morgage free and with sufficient funds to support the lifestyle you choose.
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canadair sums it up very well. In fact, the day I received another citizenship was the day I knew I was able to define what freedom was . . . come hell or high water, I don't HAVE to return to Canada. (and don't worry Azure, I don't use my Canadian passport even though I am entitled to).
I've come to view life and career goals as a triangle. One side of the triangle-- making enough money to maintain an acceptable living standard. The second is living in a place where you are happy. The third is having a work environment which you are happy in.
Many people spend a career trying to find those three aspects to complete the triangle, however, if you ever do, learn to become satisfied with what you have.
For me, returning to Canada would wipe out two or more of those sides of the triangle.
B.T.W., Azure's comments sum up one of the things that is fundamentally wrong with the majority of Canadians. Too politically docile. They will bitch and moan amongst themselves, but in the end, they take it. Before you shoot back, it is good to remember that I have done something, that is, I have given up on the "Canadian dream." I AM the weakest link. Good bye!
I've come to view life and career goals as a triangle. One side of the triangle-- making enough money to maintain an acceptable living standard. The second is living in a place where you are happy. The third is having a work environment which you are happy in.
Many people spend a career trying to find those three aspects to complete the triangle, however, if you ever do, learn to become satisfied with what you have.
For me, returning to Canada would wipe out two or more of those sides of the triangle.
B.T.W., Azure's comments sum up one of the things that is fundamentally wrong with the majority of Canadians. Too politically docile. They will bitch and moan amongst themselves, but in the end, they take it. Before you shoot back, it is good to remember that I have done something, that is, I have given up on the "Canadian dream." I AM the weakest link. Good bye!
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I like your thoughts on the Triangle Panama...
I spent 4 years overseas flying for an operator in Hong Kong. While it was an adventure and I enjoyed my time there, one of the sides of the Triangle - the side that includes family - started to suffer.
I'm back in Canada, have been for 8 years now, and I see my Triangle back in balance as it were. Once I decided that it was time to come home, it all became easier. Yes it was difficult living on the poverty pay for the first while, but I knew it was temporary... I saw the light at the end of the tunnel...
I've been at WestJet for 8 years now and am happy. Is it perfect? Of course not. What is? Having said that I would not trade our problems for anybody else's.
I am happy. Having fun at work, Happy family, living in a great place. My three sides are good.
WestJet, Air Canada, Air Transat, SkyService, Zoom, they are not for everybody, but then that's why they make chocolate and vanilla right?
Cheers.
I spent 4 years overseas flying for an operator in Hong Kong. While it was an adventure and I enjoyed my time there, one of the sides of the Triangle - the side that includes family - started to suffer.
I'm back in Canada, have been for 8 years now, and I see my Triangle back in balance as it were. Once I decided that it was time to come home, it all became easier. Yes it was difficult living on the poverty pay for the first while, but I knew it was temporary... I saw the light at the end of the tunnel...
I've been at WestJet for 8 years now and am happy. Is it perfect? Of course not. What is? Having said that I would not trade our problems for anybody else's.
I am happy. Having fun at work, Happy family, living in a great place. My three sides are good.
WestJet, Air Canada, Air Transat, SkyService, Zoom, they are not for everybody, but then that's why they make chocolate and vanilla right?
Cheers.
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Of the Canadian expats I know of (10 of them), 80% were guys who tried and failed interviews at Air Canada and WestJet, to no one's surprise. I think some of the tax points they mention have merit but I hear a tinge of bitterness from those whos rep and history caught up with them. No biggie, if it makes em feel better as they stare at the sand from the compound to diss Canada then go for it. I believe the threads about airlines in Canada. To the normal expats, enjoy your time working overseas, I did.
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So does that make you better than them? Doubt it... They left because the "Industry" more than likely let them down. Failing an interview at AC or WJ (or getting hired there) doesn't make a pilot better or worse than anyone else. I happen to know many expat pilots (from Canada) who are highly regarded in their area, and I really don't care who passed or failed anyone's interview, it's only an interview...it shows your lack of understanding of how this industry works.. The whole picture is much, much larger! Try looking at the history of Canadian commercial aviation and look hard at what it does to those who work in it. You mention "Normal Expats"... What does that mean? As a former EXPAT yourself, you might want to broaden your horizons...To imply that some pilots run and hide by going overseas after they run out of options at home shows your superiority! 
By what standard do you judge? This expat pilot and his family are very excited that we have a chance to see what the world has to offer, and our kids will see more and have learned more than the average Canadian kid could ever dream of. And I guarantee that those who fly as expats see more crazy sh*t than most Canadian homeboys will ever see in their careers. Not to say that we are not proud Canadians, we hold our country close and are proud to be from where we are. This thread WAS about which airline to work for in Canada. If you GET to choose, then great! If you don't get to choose, have a look at why, (AC still pay less than 35K to start?) don't drop a load on those who leave the country...you most likely don't know why they did! Peace
By what standard do you judge? This expat pilot and his family are very excited that we have a chance to see what the world has to offer, and our kids will see more and have learned more than the average Canadian kid could ever dream of. And I guarantee that those who fly as expats see more crazy sh*t than most Canadian homeboys will ever see in their careers. Not to say that we are not proud Canadians, we hold our country close and are proud to be from where we are. This thread WAS about which airline to work for in Canada. If you GET to choose, then great! If you don't get to choose, have a look at why, (AC still pay less than 35K to start?) don't drop a load on those who leave the country...you most likely don't know why they did! Peace
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