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Hey "transmeridian", what are you talking about?
IC went under before Air Canada bought Canadian. So Air Canada really had nothing to do with IC.
Yes, IC was part of "Canadian". Canadian DID consider IC as "part of the deal" before they went under. The IC flight attendants had a merged seniority list with CRA. The F/A's had jobs with CRA if they wanted them. The IC pilots did not want to have a merged list with CRA so they lost out.
The problem with Air Canada is the upper management. They somehow feel that the best way to manage your employees is to treat them with intimidation, confrontation and distrust. They have been doing it for many years and it is only getting worse.
IC went under before Air Canada bought Canadian. So Air Canada really had nothing to do with IC.
Yes, IC was part of "Canadian". Canadian DID consider IC as "part of the deal" before they went under. The IC flight attendants had a merged seniority list with CRA. The F/A's had jobs with CRA if they wanted them. The IC pilots did not want to have a merged list with CRA so they lost out.
The problem with Air Canada is the upper management. They somehow feel that the best way to manage your employees is to treat them with intimidation, confrontation and distrust. They have been doing it for many years and it is only getting worse.
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Originally Posted by Lost in Saigon;2870273
Yes, IC was part of "Canadian". Canadian DID consider IC as "part of the deal" before they went under.
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Yes, IC was part of "Canadian". Canadian DID consider IC as "part of the deal" before they went under.
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Yeah right, only so that they could rob the IC employees of 10% of their salaries....[/B]
The IC pilots did not want to have a merged list with CRA so they lost out.
Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about and you didn't read dss3000's last post very well, the union reps didn't want the merger with CRA.
The IC pilots did not want to have a merged list with CRA so they lost out.
Obviously, you don't know what you're talking about and you didn't read dss3000's last post very well, the union reps didn't want the merger with CRA.
As dss3000 states, you probably know the only guy from IC (or was he Air Atlantic?????) who benefitted from some kinf of deal with AC, all the others that are with AC now started like everyone else, re BOTL.
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The Union Reps are elected by the membership. The membership could have removed their reps if they wanted to.
The IC pilot group:
1) must have agreed with the Union leaders for personal reasons... or...
2) did not care about the implications of not wanting to merge with CRA...or...
3) did not even know about the opportunity to have a merged list.
If you followed the history of Quebecair, Intair, and Inter Canadien, you might see a pattern emerge.
The IC pilot group:
1) must have agreed with the Union leaders for personal reasons... or...
2) did not care about the implications of not wanting to merge with CRA...or...
3) did not even know about the opportunity to have a merged list.
If you followed the history of Quebecair, Intair, and Inter Canadien, you might see a pattern emerge.
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Hi again lost in Saigon
Your latest statements concerning the Inter Canadien pilots is very rude and not called for. We were a small number of experienced Airline pilots who just happen to work for a Carrier based out of Quebec, as you might know there were alot of politics involved around the whole Intair/Inter Quebec/Inter Canadien/CRA take over or merge BS. On top of that trow in Federal/Quebec politics and you end up with a freeking mess. Now as far the membership removing the elected reps I guess this might have been an option. If they knew far enough in advance of their intentions on refusing the offer from CRA.
So please enough arm chair quarterbacking! it didn't happen so now we live with the results.
Now I'm still not sure who you work for, I suspect AC think back in the not so distant past
and tell me about greed, apathy or ignorance!! within any union group trying to get the best deal for their members. So like I said its a small world what goes around comes around.
Lets see what kind of pattern emerges next.
Your latest statements concerning the Inter Canadien pilots is very rude and not called for. We were a small number of experienced Airline pilots who just happen to work for a Carrier based out of Quebec, as you might know there were alot of politics involved around the whole Intair/Inter Quebec/Inter Canadien/CRA take over or merge BS. On top of that trow in Federal/Quebec politics and you end up with a freeking mess. Now as far the membership removing the elected reps I guess this might have been an option. If they knew far enough in advance of their intentions on refusing the offer from CRA.
So please enough arm chair quarterbacking! it didn't happen so now we live with the results.
Now I'm still not sure who you work for, I suspect AC think back in the not so distant past
and tell me about greed, apathy or ignorance!! within any union group trying to get the best deal for their members. So like I said its a small world what goes around comes around.
Lets see what kind of pattern emerges next.
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Sorry I came across rude.
I will rephrase what I said......The IC pilot group:
1) must have agreed with the Union leaders for personal reasons... or...
2) did not care about the implications of not wanting to merge with CRA...or...
3) did not even know about the opportunity to have a merged list.
In any case, things happened pretty fast and there was probably not much that could have been done proior to Inter Canadien closing it's dooors.
I will rephrase what I said......The IC pilot group:
1) must have agreed with the Union leaders for personal reasons... or...
2) did not care about the implications of not wanting to merge with CRA...or...
3) did not even know about the opportunity to have a merged list.
In any case, things happened pretty fast and there was probably not much that could have been done proior to Inter Canadien closing it's dooors.
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Lost in Saigon
I see you edited your post today!
The new one is better!
here are the answers to your points!
1-NO
2-NO
3-YES
And yes they did close it down rapidly,
no hard feelings. Except they owe me about $42,000.00 plus interest. LOL!
Cheers,
I see you edited your post today!
The new one is better!
here are the answers to your points!
1-NO
2-NO
3-YES
And yes they did close it down rapidly,
no hard feelings. Except they owe me about $42,000.00 plus interest. LOL!
Cheers,
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[QUOTE=bcflyer;2859331]The obove guys are not going to be very happy ending up behind someone that was just hired 5 months ago.[QUOTE]
Tough ****!
As an off the street new hire at AC comments like that piss me off.
Every Jazz pilot made the CHOICE to be there. I made the choice to NOT go there, as I didn't want to wait 2 years for AC. No one forced them to apply at Jazz, and no one certainly forced them to accept the position.
They are 2 separate companies, with the same parent. Why should I suffer because somebody decided to go to Jazz but now wants to come over to mainline?
Tough ****!
As an off the street new hire at AC comments like that piss me off.
Every Jazz pilot made the CHOICE to be there. I made the choice to NOT go there, as I didn't want to wait 2 years for AC. No one forced them to apply at Jazz, and no one certainly forced them to accept the position.
They are 2 separate companies, with the same parent. Why should I suffer because somebody decided to go to Jazz but now wants to come over to mainline?
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Rookie wrote:
They are 2 separate companies, with the same parent. Why should I suffer because somebody decided to go to Jazz but now wants to come over to mainline?
Pay attention rookie, Milton's about to play whipsaw with the two pilot groups (aka 2 billion) real soon, not a great time to be on the bottom of a seniority list is it.
They are 2 separate companies, with the same parent. Why should I suffer because somebody decided to go to Jazz but now wants to come over to mainline?
Pay attention rookie, Milton's about to play whipsaw with the two pilot groups (aka 2 billion) real soon, not a great time to be on the bottom of a seniority list is it.
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Within two years Milton, Brewer, Deutsch Bank, and the rest of the big money players will have pillaged the flag carrier for all they can, leaving the employees, small shareholders, and small creditors holding the bag.
One hopes that your ACPA lawsuit is successful.
One hopes that your ACPA lawsuit is successful.
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Hi all ...
As a former ICN pilot ( YUL - based ), I think I need to weigh in on this topic. It was a fact that everyone at ICN gave up their 10% to CDN as part of their part in saving CDN ( I have the old pay stubs to prove it ). I know of only a couple of guys who got hired at Air Alliance on the B1900, nobody at Air Nova and no one at Air Ontario. I had an interview but no sim.
Its unfortunate that it had to close ( alot of good people there ) and I , as well as others, have moved on to other jobs ( me - EK B777 ) but I will always feel that we as a pilot group we got royally shafted out of that whole merger.
Hope all is well in Canada
day 452 - no clouds, no rain in DXB
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As a former ICN pilot ( YUL - based ), I think I need to weigh in on this topic. It was a fact that everyone at ICN gave up their 10% to CDN as part of their part in saving CDN ( I have the old pay stubs to prove it ). I know of only a couple of guys who got hired at Air Alliance on the B1900, nobody at Air Nova and no one at Air Ontario. I had an interview but no sim.
Its unfortunate that it had to close ( alot of good people there ) and I , as well as others, have moved on to other jobs ( me - EK B777 ) but I will always feel that we as a pilot group we got royally shafted out of that whole merger.
Hope all is well in Canada
day 452 - no clouds, no rain in DXB
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Rookie, I'm not trying to sound condesending here, but Milton is fasttracking the company back into bankruptcy if he gets his way with the shareholders, if we are not a united group you can rest assured that Jazz will be bidding on your job in the next 24-36 months.
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I see Milton is having a real effect on some. That statement comes right out of RM's play book. Frankly I'm sick and tired of threats. Threats that come from Milton and ALPA and all the other heroes of the industry. The united group you want will "open the gates of seniority" at AC yet again. Sorry we have no appetite for that. No now not ever. You got the RJ's, we got the Emb's. You 'll get the Emb's we'll get more 787's. Get the hint? Bring it on, it's all good. The threats will continue. Bla, Bla, Bla. Here's my suggestion "Rookie", relax, enjoy your carreer,
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I see Milton is having a real effect on some. That statement comes right out of RM's play book. Frankly I'm sick and tired of threats. Threats that come from Milton and ALPA and all the other heroes of the industry. The united group you want will "open the gates of seniority" at AC yet again. Sorry we have no appetite for that. No now not ever. You got the RJ's, we got the Emb's. You 'll get the Emb's we'll get more 787's. Get the hint? Bring it on, it's all good. The threats will continue. Bla, Bla, Bla. Here's my suggestion "Rookie", relax, enjoy your carreer,
"youll get the emb's" thats my point.
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Yep, you're gonna look pretty good in that tripple 7. What'll it be? Dash 8 rates? Or are you going all out at RJ rates? And heck, at the rates us mainliner's get, we won't even get the emb's, GGN will get those, right? So after you win the lawsuit and take our jobs, we'll just sail off into the sunset. OK.
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Question
Just curious...
What is the success rate for Mainline applicants being hired at Jazz?
ie: For the mainline pilots that wish to crossover, what are the stumbling blocks during the interview process? Are as many mainline guys blowing their process at Jazz as the Jazz guys are at mainline....since we're talking likes with likes.
Thanks in advance.
What is the success rate for Mainline applicants being hired at Jazz?
ie: For the mainline pilots that wish to crossover, what are the stumbling blocks during the interview process? Are as many mainline guys blowing their process at Jazz as the Jazz guys are at mainline....since we're talking likes with likes.
Thanks in advance.
