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Hey, just wondering if anyone in this forum has, or know of anyone who has graduated/attended the University Of Western Ontario's Commercial Aviation Management Program? I am currently in grade 11 right now. Any comments about the program, how difficult was acceptance? what were your marks prior to being accepted?
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I have no idea about the UWO program other then it’s going to cost you a medium size fortune. I keep my plane across the taxiway from Empire and they do a lot of flying when the weather is good. I would look into other schools and programs before you sign up. Depending on if you want to become an instructor or north to the bush when your done with your flight training. You will NOT be burning jet fuel until you have more then 1000 hours. Have a look at avcanada.ca
On another note London is a great town for young people! It can be quite a party town, this could pose some problems for you if you are one for spending time with a cold drink in your hand. Rather then with a book in your hands.
If you do make it to town look me up I’ll show you what a “real” plane is like.
Cheers
On another note London is a great town for young people! It can be quite a party town, this could pose some problems for you if you are one for spending time with a cold drink in your hand. Rather then with a book in your hands.
If you do make it to town look me up I’ll show you what a “real” plane is like.
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I know several people who have graduated from the program, and none of them seem disapointed with their investment. UWO is a great school with a great reputation, and as pointed out earlier, London is truly an amazing city.
You can't go wrong with getting a university degree (regardless of what others will say), and obviously you need to get your licences and ratings finished as well. Yes, the program is expensive, but it is no worse than if you were to get a degree and do your training seperately.
My recommendation is to go and visit UWO, go check out Empire Aviation, talk to the instructors as well as students, and then make your own decision. Regardless of what you decide, try to go to university. You won't regret the decision and it is slowly becoming a necessity.
Have fun!
PS - The program seems pretty intense - be prepared to work harder than you ever did in high school.
You can't go wrong with getting a university degree (regardless of what others will say), and obviously you need to get your licences and ratings finished as well. Yes, the program is expensive, but it is no worse than if you were to get a degree and do your training seperately.
My recommendation is to go and visit UWO, go check out Empire Aviation, talk to the instructors as well as students, and then make your own decision. Regardless of what you decide, try to go to university. You won't regret the decision and it is slowly becoming a necessity.
Have fun!
PS - The program seems pretty intense - be prepared to work harder than you ever did in high school.
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Being a newer program there's a very small number of grads out there in the industry. So that said, it won't have the reputation like Sault or Seneca college within the industry. I would personally go to Sault, Seneca or Confed. You'll have a much larger network of people within the industry that know and respect your education when you finish.
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thanks sepia, but that post brings up a question. do you really think that employers would rather see a 2/3 year college diploma (eg:, sault, seneca or confederation) from a college with a good reputation then a 4 year university degree (eg:, bachelors degree with commercial aviation management from western)? just wondering what you guys have to say about it. thanks again
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That's a good question. There is currently only one employer that will directly give you points for your education. Air Canada holds a Sault or Seneca diplmoa at par with a degree from anywhere. Sault and Senca are truly Aviation programs, rather than a buisness program some flying tacked on. Sault and confed are also much cheaper options.
So to summarize, unless you're unsure about wanting to fly in the future and desire a degree to fall back upon: Why pay more, go to school longer, fly worse planes, etc etc etc.
So to summarize, unless you're unsure about wanting to fly in the future and desire a degree to fall back upon: Why pay more, go to school longer, fly worse planes, etc etc etc.
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Sepia has some good points. I was curious and looked the UWO website and it struck me as being expensive.
Something to consider if you can get into Sault or Seneca you can top up your education later to a full degree at a lot of places. You will get credit for a fair bit of your diploma.
It would be worth while to visit the three and spend some time on the flight side to see what the feel is.
Good luck with it
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Something to consider if you can get into Sault or Seneca you can top up your education later to a full degree at a lot of places. You will get credit for a fair bit of your diploma.
It would be worth while to visit the three and spend some time on the flight side to see what the feel is.
Good luck with it
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Sault and Senca are very good programs BUT not enough money to graduate all their students so many good pilots are weeded out to meet the budget. Moncton, Confed, Mount Royal ,and Selkirk also all run very good programs. The UWO is a new program but it is very good program with a solid flying program. If I was to do it again I would go to UWO you never know when the industry or your medical tanks talk to the guys a C 3, Jetsgo or Canjet . UWO flying program is run by a guy named Bill Welsh who runs a first class program . They have a good mix of very experienced instructors with class 1"s and and new grads. The program is not cheap . Good luck
Sault and Senca are very good programs BUT not enough money to graduate all their students so many good pilots are weeded out to meet the budget. Moncton, Confed, Mount Royal ,and Selkirk also all run very good programs. The UWO is a new program but it is very good program with a solid flying program. If I was to do it again I would go to UWO you never know when the industry or your medical tanks talk to the guys a C 3, Jetsgo or Canjet . UWO flying program is run by a guy named Bill Welsh who runs a first class program . They have a good mix of very experienced instructors with class 1"s and and new grads. The program is not cheap . Good luck
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Sault and Seneca weed out the weaker pilots and students to assure a standard is met. This standard should, in an indeal situation allow someone to hire a Sault or Seneca grad and know they've got a quality pilot. When you pass UWO on your ability to fork out money to do extra training that takes away the exculisvity of the Sault and Seneca programs.
I started Sault with around 90 pilots, we finished with a handful over 20. If you think you're going to be one of the 70 that couldn't meet the standard, then I would suggest a pay as you go operation. If you're willing to work hard and apply yourself to the flying, go to Sault or Seneca. Your pilot education will be second to none within Canada.
I started Sault with around 90 pilots, we finished with a handful over 20. If you think you're going to be one of the 70 that couldn't meet the standard, then I would suggest a pay as you go operation. If you're willing to work hard and apply yourself to the flying, go to Sault or Seneca. Your pilot education will be second to none within Canada.
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If you go to UWO, I guarantee you won't be passing based on your ability to pay. A university degree does not come easy.
I think it comes down to what you think you want out of your education/life. If you are set on going to UWO, do it! Don't worry about what biased losers online think (including myself). Just make sure you go and visit the schools before you decide.
I think it comes down to what you think you want out of your education/life. If you are set on going to UWO, do it! Don't worry about what biased losers online think (including myself). Just make sure you go and visit the schools before you decide.
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rigpiggy,
How classy. I spent 4 years in the bush flying out of half a dozen substance abuse filled crap holes. So I must fit your criteria of someone good to fly with then. You've obviously taken things a bit too seriously here. Is what I said out to lunch? Are Sault and Seneca not the two best aviation schools in Canada? Not once did I say that you can't be a great pilot and go to a private school, uwo, moncton, etc. It's no different than saying Queens or UofT are on a different level than Ryerson or Concordia.
doublermix,
If you were to fail a class can you retake it next year, do you have to meet a minimum GPA to stay enrolled? If you were to need some additional time to pass your flight tests could you simply buy more?
How classy. I spent 4 years in the bush flying out of half a dozen substance abuse filled crap holes. So I must fit your criteria of someone good to fly with then. You've obviously taken things a bit too seriously here. Is what I said out to lunch? Are Sault and Seneca not the two best aviation schools in Canada? Not once did I say that you can't be a great pilot and go to a private school, uwo, moncton, etc. It's no different than saying Queens or UofT are on a different level than Ryerson or Concordia.
doublermix,
If you were to fail a class can you retake it next year, do you have to meet a minimum GPA to stay enrolled? If you were to need some additional time to pass your flight tests could you simply buy more?
Sepia that maybe the case. I've flown with a number of seneca/sault guys, alot of the best ones are now at big red/little red tabernack and skycervice. there are however about 10% of your ilk that think your **** don't stink. I also know several that I wouldn't trust to fly my family. there are several people I know not from colleges that I wouldn't trust my family with. MRC, CP MFC and others are equally as adept at putting out good people, and to tell you the truth, I'd trust a newbie from mfc, at least he/she's seen some **** weather, or the mrc/cp who's seen the rocks. Ontario is easy in comparison, dodge a cb or two and slow to 170 50 miles back, I miss EROG though
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rigpiggy,
Can you cut and paste where I say that my **** doesn't stink? You seem to refer to this motif over and over agian. I'm not implying that everyone from Sault or Seneca are god's gifts to aviation. I am saying that Sault and Seneca are the best schoools in Canada though.
The fly the nicest equipment
They offer the most indepth aviation training
They offer the largest alumni networks within Canada
They cost magnitudes less than other schools, though Seneca has changed in that respect recently.
I think you seriously need to reconsider your vantage point here. This thread started with someone asking about where to go to school. I've posted both factual and opinion based info on the subject for the original poster to sift through and use or throw out. You've done nothing more than try and discredit what I've said by saying I haven't spent time up north (which I have, in many different locations, flying many different planes), and trying to imply that I have some form of superiority complex.
Please, if you have something other than BS to post please do.
btw, mfc doesn't do ppl or cpl training in rvr 600 or 1200 days. If anything it just means those poor sob's just sit around more waiting for the wx to improve. It's the same VFR only operation as any other flight school.
Can you cut and paste where I say that my **** doesn't stink? You seem to refer to this motif over and over agian. I'm not implying that everyone from Sault or Seneca are god's gifts to aviation. I am saying that Sault and Seneca are the best schoools in Canada though.
The fly the nicest equipment
They offer the most indepth aviation training
They offer the largest alumni networks within Canada
They cost magnitudes less than other schools, though Seneca has changed in that respect recently.
I think you seriously need to reconsider your vantage point here. This thread started with someone asking about where to go to school. I've posted both factual and opinion based info on the subject for the original poster to sift through and use or throw out. You've done nothing more than try and discredit what I've said by saying I haven't spent time up north (which I have, in many different locations, flying many different planes), and trying to imply that I have some form of superiority complex.
Please, if you have something other than BS to post please do.
btw, mfc doesn't do ppl or cpl training in rvr 600 or 1200 days. If anything it just means those poor sob's just sit around more waiting for the wx to improve. It's the same VFR only operation as any other flight school.
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As with all reputable universities, students are required to maintain a certain GPA to proceed to the next year. I am not sure what the exact requirement is.
In the past, students have been removed from the program because their flying skills haven't been up to par. Each lesson is carefully controlled and little slack is given to poor performers.
This is fact.
Are there colleges that are doing training in RVR1200? That is scary.
WB1531, get a degree first if you can then get your license. a business degree is better than an aviation diploma, especially if you decide to go the expat route
Here you go Sepia
Sault and Seneca weed out the weaker pilots and students to assure a standard is met. This standard should, in an indeal situation allow someone to hire a Sault or Seneca grad and know they've got a quality pilot. When you pass UWO on your ability to fork out money to do extra training that takes away the exculisvity of the Sault and Seneca programs.
Your pilot education will be second to none within Canada.
Flew with a seneca guy last month. he rocked me to sleep. High standards indeed. Seneca and sault are subsidized by the ontario govt. so ability to pay goes hand in hand with where you live when you apply, as these programs aren't available to out of province students. yes taking your ppl/cpl on the bone is nice but if you had to pay for it all yourself what would you be driving?
FYI I couldn't return to finish my degree as I was to busy flying getting paid shiite to afford more schooling
Here you go Sepia
Sault and Seneca weed out the weaker pilots and students to assure a standard is met. This standard should, in an indeal situation allow someone to hire a Sault or Seneca grad and know they've got a quality pilot. When you pass UWO on your ability to fork out money to do extra training that takes away the exculisvity of the Sault and Seneca programs.
Your pilot education will be second to none within Canada.
Flew with a seneca guy last month. he rocked me to sleep. High standards indeed. Seneca and sault are subsidized by the ontario govt. so ability to pay goes hand in hand with where you live when you apply, as these programs aren't available to out of province students. yes taking your ppl/cpl on the bone is nice but if you had to pay for it all yourself what would you be driving?
FYI I couldn't return to finish my degree as I was to busy flying getting paid shiite to afford more schooling
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From what ive heard and researched, both sault and seneca are excellent schools, and every pilot that graduates from there seems to know what they're doing. but thanks