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08 is still ILS. I believe they are working on 26 as well. Lots of work being done, and have seen transport Canada playing around on 26.
Not sure of the specs of the Q, but I am guessing, if they bought some, they took all the factors into it landing at this airport. I have seen the Herc land and take off from 26, i'm sure the Q can handle it. Although, thats just my opinion..... All I know, is my little 172 does just fine
Not sure of the specs of the Q, but I am guessing, if they bought some, they took all the factors into it landing at this airport. I have seen the Herc land and take off from 26, i'm sure the Q can handle it. Although, thats just my opinion..... All I know, is my little 172 does just fine
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The Porter Q4s will not be at max pax load - Deluce has already said this. He is aiming at business travellers as far as I can see so seating is probably going to be nearer 70 than the 78 cram-them-in spec.
The Porter Q4s will not be at max pax load - Deluce has already said this. He is aiming at business travellers as far as I can see so seating is probably going to be nearer 70 than the 78 cram-them-in spec.
Here are the specs from q400.com
Performance
Range: NM SM KM
Maximum range
(70 pax @ 200 lb) MCR, ISA, SL 1,362 1,567 2,522
Speeds:
Maximum cruise speed 360 kts 414 mph 667 km/h
Airfield Performance:
FAR takeoff field length
(SL, ISA, MTOW, HGW) 4,600 ft 1,402 m
FAR landing field length
(SL, ISA, MLW, HGW) 4,221 ft 1,287 m
Takeoff field length for 500nm sector
(ISA, 70 Pax, IGW) 3,720 ft 1,134 m
Landing field length for 500nm sector
(ISA, 70 Pax, IGW) 3,380 ft 1,030 m
Ceiling:
Maximum operating altitude 25,000 ft 7,620 m
Performance
Range: NM SM KM
Maximum range
(70 pax @ 200 lb) MCR, ISA, SL 1,362 1,567 2,522
Speeds:
Maximum cruise speed 360 kts 414 mph 667 km/h
Airfield Performance:
FAR takeoff field length
(SL, ISA, MTOW, HGW) 4,600 ft 1,402 m
FAR landing field length
(SL, ISA, MLW, HGW) 4,221 ft 1,287 m
Takeoff field length for 500nm sector
(ISA, 70 Pax, IGW) 3,720 ft 1,134 m
Landing field length for 500nm sector
(ISA, 70 Pax, IGW) 3,380 ft 1,030 m
Ceiling:
Maximum operating altitude 25,000 ft 7,620 m
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I suspect those specs have been posted recently to shut up the CommunityAIR press releases that Q400 is unsafe out of CYTZ at the current runway spec, since 70 seats and 500nm is coincidentally where Deluce is pitching his services.
aha... see here:
http://web.archive.org/web/200410092...ifications.jsp
aha... see here:
http://web.archive.org/web/200410092...ifications.jsp
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still small margin, wouldn't want to get a v1 cut with those number, even landing, you'll see a lot off burn tires and printed fingers on the controls.... i'll sell them brakes pads and make a fortune....for operating cost he's not going to be low cost, not in those condition.... well below gross, wear and all the missed for contaminated runway... good luck and be carfull out there, I had to use good braking on a tailwind ILS there before, I was just a loaded 1900 on a weet runway and fog. With those wage, they are not attracting the most experience guys out there.........75K in YTZ???? TTC bus drivers makes that...with better working conditions and a retirement plan...
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Salary at Porter?
Is the 70$ quote for Captains before or after tax? And it is in CND right? This is interesting as a friend of mine is flying the 400 in the UK.... and the differences in salary between Europe and Amerika is big..
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maybe they're hoping to pick up South African Express pilots in due course - (they've just had their first Q400 delivered 
) C$75k sounds more impressive when you convert to Rand.
) C$75k sounds more impressive when you convert to Rand.
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Alphopper, just curious what your friend makes flying the 400 in the UK? I'm sure its higher but I believe the cost of living is alot higher there as well. Might just balance out in the end.
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J.O... I disagree
J.O.... I would disagree with you kompletely... We are very priveledge in Austria, at AUA.. we earn "A" grade salaries.. and my friend who flies also in Vienna with Tyrolean as Captain on the Dash 400 (comparable since we are talking Dash 400) earns a takehome salary per month of 4400 Euro, plus it is the law here in Austria that we get a 13 (June), and 14 (November) salary where the income is only taxed at 6%.... if you can beet that in North Amerika, I would like to know where.. my friend took home last year just around 70 000 Euro after taxes (aprox just under 100 000 Canada Dollars)... for flying 2:00 hr legs on a Dash 400 plus 5 weeks holiday per year.... almost what we earn at AUA!
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alphopper,
What does a decent house cost in Vienna?How big the land and how many square feet for that price?
What does it cost you for groceries for let's say two people a month? etc...
For the 30,000$ or so difference between the 2 salaries I am willing to bet that it is the Canadian who has the most bang for his buck.
I have friends in Europe as well who earn more than me but I wouldn't want their quality of life for a million bucks....it's all relative.
What does a decent house cost in Vienna?How big the land and how many square feet for that price?
What does it cost you for groceries for let's say two people a month? etc...
For the 30,000$ or so difference between the 2 salaries I am willing to bet that it is the Canadian who has the most bang for his buck.
I have friends in Europe as well who earn more than me but I wouldn't want their quality of life for a million bucks....it's all relative.
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Well, I don't know about Austria, but in Paris, a 600-700 sq.ft. appartment (2 very small bedrooms, one tiny bathroom, not to mention a cramped kitchen...) runs at about 150000-180000 euros (150k being in the suburb, 15 minutes from downtown)!!!
So one would have to make more than 70k euros take home to equal our quality of life, no?
So one would have to make more than 70k euros take home to equal our quality of life, no?
Originally Posted by Alphopper
J.O.... I would disagree with you kompletely... We are very priveledge in Austria, at AUA.. we earn "A" grade salaries.. and my friend who flies also in Vienna with Tyrolean as Captain on the Dash 400 (comparable since we are talking Dash 400) earns a takehome salary per month of 4400 Euro, plus it is the law here in Austria that we get a 13 (June), and 14 (November) salary where the income is only taxed at 6%.... if you can beet that in North Amerika, I would like to know where.. my friend took home last year just around 70 000 Euro after taxes (aprox just under 100 000 Canada Dollars)... for flying 2:00 hr legs on a Dash 400 plus 5 weeks holiday per year.... almost what we earn at AUA!
I know enough about your cost of living to know that it's about double that of ours in Canada on a dollar for dollar basis. When making the comarison, one must look at the cost of goods and services. Food, fuel, automobiles, consumer goods and housing are all far more expensive in western Europe (I would estimate 60 to 80% more on average). When you live and work near the larger cities (Vienna, London, Frankfurt, Paris, etc) it's even more expensive.
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I grew-up in Italy and i have been in Canada for 10 years.
Meat and milk are cheaper in Canada, fruit and veggies are the same than Italy. Rent in Toronto is the same than Milan but the apartments are better there, Hydro and water are chaper in in Canada (almost half).
I have few friends in europe, one is F/O in a Lear 45, he is 37 has a 1 bedroom apt. in Milan paid in Full, a nice car paid in full and money in the bank... he make around 4000 euros (clean money, taxes already out) per month.
Another friens is captain in Milan (DC10), he has a nice house in lower-piemonte (paid in full) 2 kids, a stay-at-home wife and makes around 6500 euros per month. etc...
My friend in Edmonton on the 737 was making 38K gross and had to borrow money from the family often.... there is NO doubt that salaries are higher, you get jet-job also with 400 hours and, come on! the food is the best no?
Meat and milk are cheaper in Canada, fruit and veggies are the same than Italy. Rent in Toronto is the same than Milan but the apartments are better there, Hydro and water are chaper in in Canada (almost half).
I have few friends in europe, one is F/O in a Lear 45, he is 37 has a 1 bedroom apt. in Milan paid in Full, a nice car paid in full and money in the bank... he make around 4000 euros (clean money, taxes already out) per month.
Another friens is captain in Milan (DC10), he has a nice house in lower-piemonte (paid in full) 2 kids, a stay-at-home wife and makes around 6500 euros per month. etc...
My friend in Edmonton on the 737 was making 38K gross and had to borrow money from the family often.... there is NO doubt that salaries are higher, you get jet-job also with 400 hours and, come on! the food is the best no?
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Thanks CPL Pilot!
I think the others are a little green around the gills!! My family has relatives in Vancouver and where I live in Austria the cost of living is far less than in Vancouver. Just face the facts.... we are better paid, have a better social net (not just 12 days of sick leave per year.... you can be gone for 6 months and get full pay for the first four then a 2/3 after that, plus all medical costs paid for by the government)... and we can start on a 777, 340, 320, 737, Dash8 400, F70/100, CRJ, etc etc etc... with 200 hrs.... while our cousins in Canada visit chief pilots in some northern dump every year just to get to drive the fork lift for the summer (read Buffalo Joe in YellowKnife).... then after a few years of that they have the priveledge of fueling and getting closer to the right seat.... I know this because my cousins went this route and I must say: I have respect for those who do it.... but Aviation in North America is not top notch for guys starting out..... and the salaries at the top end don't match up with Europe... A good house with 1000 square meter garden is around 220 000 Euros, car prices are the same (average) and the food is better too! Austria doesn't allow any gene manipulated food or feed for animals, we have the strictest (worldwide) quality control on food (domestic) and import..... and the majority of what you buy is "biologicaly controlled"..... jogurt is jogurt... not gelatin with some American syrup made from Glucose (from genetically manipulted corn) and colorign for color.... it is the real deal..... mind you the steroid free Charlois beef from Alberta is the best I have ever had!! Ja, after a good bitch.... somethings swing the scale left and some things make it go right......
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Why is it then Hans, that United Nations rank Canada the 3rd best country in the world to live in and your beloved Ostereich is number 15? How did your relatives end up in Vancouver if things are so much better over there in Austria? Glad to hear that you're happy with your lifestyle but there is more to life than gelatin free yogurt my friend. And for people who start on a 777, 340, 320, 737, Dash8 400, F70/100, CRJ, etc etc etc... with 200 hrs they will miss a huge deal of experience and will never learn what Aviation and Flying is all about. Turning the autopilot on at 50 feet and working the MCDU can only be so much fun and if that's all they're gonna do for the rest of their careers I can only feel sorry for them!