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Old 28th May 2005 | 10:57
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Hi Guys,

I am just wondering if any body out there have any
comments, experience with activeaerospace training
(A.320,B.737,...etc.). I am considering in obtaining a type
rating for a job overseas in which the company that will be
hiring me will repay me the cost back by working there
(installments basis). I just want to find out weather it's worth
it when it comes to training, or it is just a waste of hard earned
money! and I shall look into the states to do the training?

I am looking forward to your feedback and to those canadian
boys & girls that have obtained their type rating with active..!
and their personal experience.


All feedback is welcomed positive or negative. Look forward to
it! and if there are any recommendations as well...!
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Old 28th May 2005 | 12:16
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Search all previous posts. Scam-aram-a
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Old 30th May 2005 | 17:48
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Ok Guys,

I have done the search & I have seen people recommending
him and people bashing him....! Alright all I am interested in
is to get a type rating ....that's all, I am not looking for his
assistance to land a job with an Asian operator....all I am looking
to is a course that is recognized by mot and will allow me to
pass a ride at the end.. with a type rating endorsed on my
license! can anybody out there please provide me with some
facts to what I am interested in......like I said before if you had
bad experience with AA due to spending money with him and
then he did not deliver on his promise of getting you a job at
the first place .....I feel for you but that's not what I am after...!

look forward to your replies.
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Old 31st May 2005 | 19:10
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NoseGear,

Thanks I appreciate your concerns & I hear you
loud and clear. I do hold canadian license so defenitily
I need to do the course in Canada........somewhere! trust
me I won't be doing the course with this idiot that's for
sure. I went back & reviwed some of the posts and yes you
were right,.........people were scamed right left and ctr. !
any other place you suggest..........don't know maybe Canjet
or Westjet or ..........Canadian North, First Air...... any idea?

I can spend the money with different training place. By the
way any idea if any of the US based training provider can
endorse canadian license?

Look fwd. to your replies.....thanx a lot.
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Old 31st May 2005 | 19:24
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I do hold canadian license so defenitily
I need to do the course in Canada........

That is wrong! you can go to US and put the type rating in your license, best bet is big place like Continental Airline, and Pan Am.

You have to Contact Transport Canada, this need a lots of paper work but at the end not so hard.


AC
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Old 1st June 2005 | 21:51
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Asiancanuck,

I do hold canadian license so defenitily, I need to do the
course in Canada........

That is wrong! OK it can be done in the US yes but I
would need to have mot inspector to sit in on my ride to endorse
my license! which means I have to fly one out & pay for his
plane ticket + accomedation + fees for the check ride.....etc. plse.
correct me if I am worng on this, maybe I am missing something
here please advise me otherwise.

your feedback is well appreciated
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Old 1st June 2005 | 22:56
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YOU DO NOT NEED A CANADIAN EXAMINER>

Do rating in US. Put it on a US ATP (you get this with a rating if you write their exam - EASY)

THEN, take your US ATP with rating to transport. Pay them $30 and presto its on your Canadian ATP.


Its easy, do it this way.
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Old 2nd June 2005 | 12:09
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AAIGUY is right. It's a two-fer deal (well, not really, it will cost you about $30 more). All you need to do is get your FAA ATP written done (this will cost you less than $100), get a US Medical, and then go for the Type/ATP ride. As soon as you get your permanent licence from the FAA, you can have it pegged onto your Canadian one by filling out the form and contributing $30 to "The Receiver General for Canada"



(5) Credits for Foreign Applicants

(a) Qualifying Flight Requirement
(amended 2000/09/01; previous version)

The holder of a licence issued by a Contracting State shall be considered to have met the qualifying flight requirement specified in 3(c)(iii), 3(g)(iii), 3(k)(ii), and 3(l) above provided the applicant has acquired a minimum of 10 hours pilot-in-command flight time on the appropriate aircraft type during the 12 months preceding the application for rating;
(amended 2005/06/01; previous version)

(b) Pilot Proficiency Check Requirement

The holder of a licence with a two-crew type rating issued by a Contracting State shall be considered to have met the Pilot Proficiency Check requirement specified in 3(a)(iii), 3(b)(iii), 3(f)(iii), and 3(g)(ii) above provided the applicant has acquired a minimum of 50 hours flight time on that aircraft type during the 12 months preceding the application for the rating.
(amended 2005/06/01; previous version)

(6) Credits for Foreign Flight Test
(amended 2005/06/01; previous version)

(a) The qualifying flight requirement specified in subparagraphs 3(c)(iii), 3(g)(iii), 3(k)(ii), and 3(l) above may be performed under the supervision of a qualified person who is licensed by a Contracting State provided the applicant submits a letter from the State’s Licensing Authority, or other source acceptable to the Minister confirming the personal log entry, and the qualification of the person who supervised the flight;
(amended 2005/06/01; previous version)

(b) The Pilot Proficiency Check requirement specified in subparagraphs 3(a)(iii), 3(b)(iii), 3(f)(iii), and 3(g)(ii) may be performed by a person authorized by a Contracting State provided the applicant submits confirmation from the State’s Licensing Authority, or other source acceptable to the Minister confirming that the applicant meets the State’s skill test requirement for the issue of the type rating.
(amended 2005/06/01; previous version)


Regulatory Source 421.40


Here is one training company in Phoenix, Arizona:

K & S Aviation
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Old 2nd June 2005 | 13:01
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Hi Sebastienl,

I did the A320 rating with AA few months ago, I am still looking for a job (as my partner). If you want some infos concerning the course PM me your questions.

The rating won't give you the job even overseas unless you already have an ATPL with jet time....
I applied to all airlines and believe me they all require HOURS ON TYPE (300 hrs mini). So you should include in the the price a line training on the aircraft otherwise you will loose your money. I am in that case. To give you an idea, I am on a list for a 300 hours line training in Asia and I have to wait until the end of the year as there are already lots of pilots waiting for this program.

The rating is really basic, it is not like the JAR one. Airlines know that this course or FAA rating are substandard so the line training at your own expense is a must if you choose the way to pay for your training.

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You dont need a MOT examiner, just call Transport Canada!
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Old 3rd June 2005 | 17:16
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Thanks all for your feedback, I appreciate that. The only draw
back to doing it in the states is I don't already have CATPL so
I am not sure if I can write the american. Yeah....don't have
the hours as yet to have the CATPL! But I will defenitly call MOT
to see what they have to say about the US deal. Defenitily there
are a lots of option out there in the US than in CAN. I will keep
you guys updated.
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Old 4th June 2005 | 05:27
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Thumbs up Activeaerospace

To all;

I just finished my Airbus 320 type rating with Active Aerospace.

I really enjoyed dealing with Walt. He is an extremely honest and professional person who delivered on all of his promises and more.

There are lots of negative rumors out here and that’s all they are….rumors.

If you are looking for the most efficient and cost effective program then this is for you, but then again you can go to other organizations and pay two or three times more for the same program which may end up being less in the end.


My only advice to people out there is;



>>>> Don’t let someone’s opinion be your reality <<<<




Someone just e-mailed me and asked the following question. I am posting them here for you with my answers so you have better understanding of Activeaerospace.

Remember your CRM course? Get all the information and sources that are available to you, good, bad, rumors…etc and then at the end make your final decision.

Here you go:



(1) What type rating did you complete and what was your prior flying experience?



A320 – ATPL - 7500 hours B732- B737NGl with light business jet and medium transport turboprop.


(2) How did you find the home study? Hard/Easy? How much time would you recommend spending on home study before heading to Canada?


Home study is a great head start but not absolutely essential. It’s easy. You can finish the home study in the matter of a week, but don’t base your course commencement on that. Of course the more knowledge and familiarity you have with the airplane the more you will benefit from the course and instructor. (I will explain what I mean from “instructor” more in details in your question about the instructor)



(3) Did you complete the training at the advertised price that Walt quoted you? Where there any hidden extra\'s? How long did you spend in Canada?



The price was exactly to the cent that was quoted. I personally didn’t spend anything more than the quoted $15,800. I truly believe when it comes to Walt nothing is hidden, the first day he sat down with all three of us and read and explained in real English the whole contract, clarified and answered any of our questions along the way. He is a loyal and honest person. You may find some negative comments about him and his organization on pprune but I suggest you don’t allow these rubbish cloud your vision and affect your judgment about him until you experience him yourself first hand like I did.



Remember that there are extra costs if you “DO” need extra help in the sim or briefing,..etc but they are not hidden and this issue is well explained in that first day talk and review of the contract with walt.



The course can be done from in few weeks to few months, is all depend on your progress. If you walk they will have to slow down and walk with you but if you run they will run with you. Having said that, the course has its levels and steps that has to be down in sequence and each step is prerequisite to the next level, you have to understand that CBT, SIM cost lots of money and neither you nor they can afford to push you into the next level of the course while knowing that you are not ready. I started the course on the 3rd of May and told Walt that I would like to finish the course by the end of the month, well how can I say this..? Lets say the ink on my license with the new type rating was drying up on the 25th of May. Exactly 6 days earlier then promised.



(4) How did you find the staff? Instructors?



They don’t have “so called office staff” Walt runs the whole thing by himself, which is nice, he is always around when you need something or question.



Instructor: We had Len for our course, he is a 767 Captain with Air Canada with almost every boieng product in his logbook, he also flew A320 as a Captain with Air Canada for few years. His level of knowledge and experience is not even an issue to be questioned. He is calm, thorough, clear, friendly and patient. To my opinion he gives a true meaning to the word professionalis m. He thought us how to walk before running, he started his lesson plan with the number rule of teaching, known to unknown, familiar to unfamiliar, easy to difficult.



More from your Q2; Len (instructor) started teaching us way beyond the standard of the course and as our performance allowed we covered multiple emergencies, wired scenarios, challenging weather environments. We were so used to having lots of emergencies on our hand that on the actual flight test we were all yawning from boredom even with one engine failed and fire on go around. My point is, the more you get yourself ready for the course and the more input is from you the more result you will get from the instructor and the course in general.



(5) Quality of simulator?



Not even an issue, great CBT, and level D approved by Transport Canada. He uses the Air Canada’s simulators. A320,330,340,757,767,737-200 are available in Vancouver. We only cancelled one session and that was due to heavy thunderstorm activities outside that introduced power surges to the system.



(6) Free Play Trainer... Walt tries to sell this pretty hard, is it that helpful? Is it simply just a desktop simulator like microsoft for example?



Free play trainer is a great learning tool. It is a desktop simulator but is no way near a game like Microsoft simulator. You need to be master in programming the MCDU and doing it fast as you will do that every single time you get reset back at the threshold of the runway for another take off in the sim. Which again comes back down to the money, as every min of your sim time is valuable and trust me you don’t want to spend more than a min of your time figuring out how to reprogram the MCDU. I don’t know what type you are considering to get but A320 is a fully managed airplane that you need to fly via the computers. And the cheapest way to learn it is using the Free Play Trainer. It’s well programmed software and allows you to program a whole flight and then fly it. I don’t think Walt tries or needs to sell this as it sells itself once you use it.



(7) Any other information that you feel benificial, please pass on.

Having a laptop with you would help as you can review the systems back in the comfort of your hotel room.

If there are three guys in your course you will get more time in the sim. This is not cheating the system. Walt is the first one to offer this to you.

Good Luck

Kindly give my warmest regards to Walt and Len

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Old 4th June 2005 | 13:01
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AA

OK guys I couldn't manage to get anybody at MOT it seems
to be everybody out side the office on Friday! never the less,
I will try them back next week.

Bustie.....your post that you have just posted I thought I read
it on the 03-06-05 and it was posted by Walt....are you the same
person.....correct me if I am wrong!

I have spoken to PAN AM, K & S, and Aeroservices aviation by
far they seem to be superior to what we have back in Can., sorry
to say that if you are a fan of Walt. This is not to bash Walt in any shape or form..... the reason for that is just these training
providers have been in the industry for a long time doing what
they are doing with dedicated classrooms and aids to assist
students in addition with K& S aviation they will provide all
their training based on the B.737-300 with differnce course
of the -200 ADV. also given to you. And I don't have to
worry about pairing myself up with anybody they will
always have people going through the course. In addition
to all said it is also cheaper by $1700 CDN.....the only thing is I would have to rent AC simulator to do my ride once I have completed the course......I haven't made up my mind though I will keep everybody advised...!
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Old 4th June 2005 | 14:51
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To whom it may concern;

Nose Gear;
I have removed your post , after reviewing various complaints of slander, I tend to agree. If you wish to provide facts with sources and references please do. There is no beef with the contents of your message, just your language and tone. Please verify your experience for us with receipts, invoices, log page entries etc.

Harald;

Your post had already been removed by the time I sat down at my PC this morning. (-7 UTC)

I hope this addresses all the PMs in my inbox.

I remain;

Aloyious McDoo
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Old 4th June 2005 | 14:52
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"Bustie.....your post that you have just posted I thought I read
it on the 03-06-05 and it was posted by Walt....are you the same
person.....correct me if I am wrong!"

Indeed. Walt's original post was deleted and an exact same one from a different poster has appeared.

Sabastien,

Seriously guy, you don't need a MOT guy. Get it added to a FAA license, EVEN a commercial and Transport Canada will put it on your Canadian for $30.00
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Old 4th June 2005 | 19:35
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Your answer is no, I am not the same person.

My Q/A was carbon copied to Walt and he posted it on this site. However my personal e-mail address was in the body of his posting so I asked him to remove it so I can post it myself without my e-mail address.

This way if anyone has any question can PM me directly.
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Old 10th June 2005 | 13:15
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Alright Guys,

OK guys the Judge is out and the decision is made to
the US for training. After deep investigation into the rules MOT
inspector has confirmed that they can endorse canadian cpl witha type rating if it is done in the US provided the training provider
is known regognised/approved to MOT and a complete training
sellybus (can't spell) is approved by FAA and details given to
MOT. In addition to that the check ride can be done with FAA
approved examiner provided his approval is certified by the FAA
(basically letter stating that) and he has been given this authority
to conduct check rides with the training provider. Then all need to
do is bring all the paper work to transport Can. and CPL license
will be endorsed for a small fee. NO NEED TO DO A RIDE WITH
MOT EXAMINER, FAA EXAMINER IS OK! Therefore the decision
is made TO THE US FOR THE RATING. To all potencial people out
there holding a CDN CPL yes you can do a rating in the US without
holding Canadian ATP all you need CPL with ATP written or IATRA.

Thanks to all for there replies, and I appreciate the guys who
enlightened me with training in the US well appreciated!

will chat to everyone on the next topic....in the future!


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Old 10th June 2005 | 20:50
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Devil

I think you better say

"I was rejected and refused training at AA and have no choice but to gou south"

I want to say good luck but my good friend with your attitude you need a miracle.
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Old 11th June 2005 | 00:14
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Bustie !!!!!!

I think you better say

"I was rejected and refused training at AA and have no choice but to gou south"

I want to say good luck but my good friend with your attitude you need a miracle.


Let me set the record straight for you who ever you are!!!-first of
all your lousy post it's not needed and hear me loud and clear I
HAVE NEVER APPLIED TO AA NOR HAVE I EVER SPOKEN TO
ANYBODY FROM AA.... so I really don't know where you came up
with this statement? Second of all, for your info. AA is a business
I really can not see anybody being rejected from such a place
when they are in need of customers. If you can only know how
to read looser... you would have seen my previous postings how
fair I was to AA +Walt... and I wasn't interested in the Walt
bashing as some members were after due to their bad
experience with the school & Walt.

You are right in saying "I don't have joice but to go south", the
only choice I have in CAN I am not interested in after what I have
heard! and there are many joices in the states.....a whole world
of training! !!!!!!!!!! And with my attitude the rating will be fresh
on my license and will be flying for an airline ......looser! I
think am becomin to know who you are ........ya ya you are
the same person prev. used a post with Walt's name and
now you are using BUSTIE--I would love to Split this BUSTIE and
let the dead side suffer....! and one last thing don't call me
freind .........cause I don't associate myself with trash like you!

this subject is closed......!
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Old 11th June 2005 | 02:49
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Devil

If you could only spell.

Joice?
they are many joices?
becomin?
freind? (remember i before e except c)


Take a ESL class while you are down there too.






Shiiiii....! a hint, you can sneak into the edit mode and correct them, but again once a looser...always a looser.
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