Hard Landing...
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I think that the forum has been shut down/locked out. So that no one can get in.
If this isnt the case, i wonder if I can sue the administration for censorship? Im sure some lawyer would pick it up for the right price.
If this isnt the case, i wonder if I can sue the administration for censorship? Im sure some lawyer would pick it up for the right price.
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It seems that I've been banned from the site also, and I certainly didn't post anything to offend anyone. I suspect that the passenger(s) who set up that site had hoped that it would be full of support for their situation (not to mention the lawsuit). I think that when many professional airline personnel , as well as their fellow passengers, offered a different perspective to theirs, the plan back fired.
Obviously we are sympathetic to what they went through, but as CDNFA said, I was actually enjoying the bickering that was going on between the passengers themselves. I feel as though my favourite tv show has been cancelled mid-season!
Obviously we are sympathetic to what they went through, but as CDNFA said, I was actually enjoying the bickering that was going on between the passengers themselves. I feel as though my favourite tv show has been cancelled mid-season!
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In Limbo:
I haven't been to the site in days, and I'm locked out of the discussion boards too. I think everyone is.
It's not my site by the way. I'm a user like everyone else.
The fellow who generously offered us the site is probably getting worried about getting sued, and closed it off. Some discussions were getting a bit too much.
Do you think you guys (not everyone; just the angry-without-a-cause ones) could use a little more imagination and give a little more leeway when trying to figure out why things are the way they are? Humans...Geesh (Before you say it, I've given the same lecture to some people on our site.).
If I find out what the reason for the site closure is, I'll let you know.
Thanks.
Richard
I haven't been to the site in days, and I'm locked out of the discussion boards too. I think everyone is.
It's not my site by the way. I'm a user like everyone else.
The fellow who generously offered us the site is probably getting worried about getting sued, and closed it off. Some discussions were getting a bit too much.
Do you think you guys (not everyone; just the angry-without-a-cause ones) could use a little more imagination and give a little more leeway when trying to figure out why things are the way they are? Humans...Geesh (Before you say it, I've given the same lecture to some people on our site.).
If I find out what the reason for the site closure is, I'll let you know.
Thanks.
Richard
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The site is back, and the webmaster has posted his reasons. You should take a look.
http://www.afterfivestudios.com/flig...topic.php?t=31
http://www.afterfivestudios.com/flig...topic.php?t=31
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Unfortunately, non-passengers are still being locked out, so whatever "reasons" he has for trying to control the site, his real motives are totally transparent. He is trying his best to keep the spin totally one-sided on this incident. If my name were attached to an $11 million dollar law suit, I'd be doing it too. Like the statement of claim in the law suit, I found most of the claims from those who were allowed to post on the site to be baseless and inflammatory.
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It may be that only passengers are now able to see what's been posted, but none of us have access to add anything more.
Here is the reason for the closure, and I don't blame him:
Discussion boards drift away from civil behaviour because of the anonymity of the participants. I think he did the right thing.
Here is the reason for the closure, and I don't blame him:
Due to the fact that this Passenger Forum has turned into a giant name-calling contest between Passengers and Non-Passengers alike, this forum has been disabled for a few days.
The purpose of this board was to keep the passengers informed on the results of the investigation and what was being done about it. That is clearly not the case anymore.
The Pilots Forum discussion thread will be deleted Sunday night. Some people posted novels recently and I don't want them to go to waste, but most of the bad banter on this forum comes in that thread.
The purpose of this board was to keep the passengers informed on the results of the investigation and what was being done about it. That is clearly not the case anymore.
The Pilots Forum discussion thread will be deleted Sunday night. Some people posted novels recently and I don't want them to go to waste, but most of the bad banter on this forum comes in that thread.
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Well I think that there was allot of name calling between all walks of life in that site. Not just pax vs Non-pax but pax vs pax as well.
I'd like to know how he is going about determining the likes of those who were actually on the plane and those who were not. Does he have a complete passanger manifest...with the list of all the names and their respective IP addresses?
Cust curious.
I'd like to know how he is going about determining the likes of those who were actually on the plane and those who were not. Does he have a complete passanger manifest...with the list of all the names and their respective IP addresses?
Cust curious.
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Hi CDNFA:
There's a lot of name-calling on this site too, unfortunately.
About your question...IP's can be traced to reveal the originating domain. You can try it if you have an IP you know, and use tracert or other command. It's not that he knows who the passengers are. The domains reveal people who cannot be passengers.
I hope that helps.
There's a lot of name-calling on this site too, unfortunately.
About your question...IP's can be traced to reveal the originating domain. You can try it if you have an IP you know, and use tracert or other command. It's not that he knows who the passengers are. The domains reveal people who cannot be passengers.
I hope that helps.
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Well I knew IP's could be searched, I just wasnt sure how he was determing if they could or could not be on the flight. Thats very interesting though. Seems like allot of work to me. I think I'd just shut down the site and let people bicker elsewhere.
Yes, lots of name calling going on everywhere. I guess people are just passionate about their opinions. Shouldn't have to lead to that though.
Yes, lots of name calling going on everywhere. I guess people are just passionate about their opinions. Shouldn't have to lead to that though.
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In verifying whether members on this forum are truely passengers or not, I have found instances of people saying they were passengers yet when looking up their IP, you can clearly see they are coming from a network associated with the Airline industry.
The domains reveal people who cannot be passengers.
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I read the statement and in my opinion, the law firm needs to research the word "crash". Its fairly obvious they don't know what it means.
Many of the statements are just typical uninformed rhetoric. I have no problem with someone being compensated to recover losses but the manner in which the lawyers seem to be handling this seems quite frivolous to me and personally I hope it gets thrown out of court.
We really don't need to become a society that sues at the drop of a hat and certainly not for outrageous amounts as seems to be the case here.
Many of the statements are just typical uninformed rhetoric. I have no problem with someone being compensated to recover losses but the manner in which the lawyers seem to be handling this seems quite frivolous to me and personally I hope it gets thrown out of court.
We really don't need to become a society that sues at the drop of a hat and certainly not for outrageous amounts as seems to be the case here.
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Good Idea Tan
Hello Tan;
Good idea...Last time I saw your name you were giving me advice about flying to India, in my previous life , working for the big-beaked Englishman who only wished he had a Neverland Ranch of his own.
Was that you?
I would like to suggest for everyones' consideration that the SSV landing has been talked to death and we should put it in the "There but for the grace of God, go I" column.
Aloyious H. McDoo
Good idea...Last time I saw your name you were giving me advice about flying to India, in my previous life , working for the big-beaked Englishman who only wished he had a Neverland Ranch of his own.
Was that you?
I would like to suggest for everyones' consideration that the SSV landing has been talked to death and we should put it in the "There but for the grace of God, go I" column.
Aloyious H. McDoo
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Does anyone know if there actually is a proper textbook definition of the term "crash" in the airline industry? I have asked about this with the airline rep, and the answer starts off with "Well, I imagine..." I know I can crash my car without loss of life or having wreckage strewn across the road, but I'm curious if it's different in this case.
Thanks.
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To me, crash is the same as collision. I don't hink it is really correct to call this a crash, because it didn't collide with anything.
There is no "airline" definition of "Crash". The word is never used in the airline business.
Only the words accident or incident are used. Skyservice was clearly an accident as there was substantial damage to the aircraft.
There is no "airline" definition of "Crash". The word is never used in the airline business.
Only the words accident or incident are used. Skyservice was clearly an accident as there was substantial damage to the aircraft.
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I think you're right. When looking up "crash" with the NTSB web site I get bounced to "accident". The Canadian TSB doesn't address the word "crash".
In the absense of a definition, I guess it's left to anyone's interpretation. We cant really deem someone to be wrong or right.
In the case of Skyservice, the plane did collide with something. It hit the ground. That's what caused the damage to the plane, and some less sturdy passengers, experiencing different levels of force across the length of the plane as they were levered up and down.
In the absense of a definition, I guess it's left to anyone's interpretation. We cant really deem someone to be wrong or right.
In the case of Skyservice, the plane did collide with something. It hit the ground. That's what caused the damage to the plane, and some less sturdy passengers, experiencing different levels of force across the length of the plane as they were levered up and down.