Jetsgo Pilots in Bahrain for GF interviews
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You should know that people are trying their best to get their jobs without paying for it but sometimes they are left no choice, sometimes the only way to get it is to pay for it.
The Jetsgo pilots should have taken the high road and sent LeBlanc a clear message that his hiring practices were unacceptable. Instead, they paved the way for others to try the same thing.
Those Jetsgo pilots that lost money deserved it, and hopefully have learned an important lesson.
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oh yeh can't you just feel the compassion from STC? How typically Canadian.
However, I feel no compassion for people who get burned by participating in a practice that devaluates wages in this industry.
Perhaps these ex-Jetsgo Einsteins should have shown some consideration for other pilots before expecting any "compassion" once they found themselves pushed to the curb.
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I see Ont.tech's point - it's kinda similar to the view of ex-Soviet/Aeroflot pilots who could land a plane in all weathers (and probably drunk) because the equipment they flew demanded they be on top of their game.
That said, the loss of the GF A320 and the recent JAL discussion shows that technology is causing CRM to far surpass flying proficiency as the area of primary concern on a flight deck.
That said, the loss of the GF A320 and the recent JAL discussion shows that technology is causing CRM to far surpass flying proficiency as the area of primary concern on a flight deck.
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Here's an idea for all you 
washout's that like to bash Jetsgo pilot's !!! Why don't you stop hidding behind a computer and tell a Jetsgo pilot yourself how you feel, I'am sure you all know one or will meet one in the future. And see how long it takes for your face to hit the ground
. Please do your self a favour and keep the whore talk to your wifes/girlfriends and don't point the finger at others. Your not happy with your own Jobs and lives so you need to put others down...
washout's that like to bash Jetsgo pilot's !!! Why don't you stop hidding behind a computer and tell a Jetsgo pilot yourself how you feel, I'am sure you all know one or will meet one in the future. And see how long it takes for your face to hit the ground . Please do your self a favour and keep the whore talk to your wifes/girlfriends and don't point the finger at others. Your not happy with your own Jobs and lives so you need to put others down...
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Walmartization of our industry
Pilots buying a ppc is only a small part of the problem. The bigger problem is what happens once you're in one of these low cost bordellos. These same pilots are subjected to working 100 to 120 hrs a month, lousy working conditions beyond what they expected. With the exception of Southwest, the pay is usually well below what it shoukd be and very little chance of bettering it because of the lack of a union. The Walmartization of our industry, better known as Westjet, Canjet, Jetsgo and the rest, have deteriorated this profession. Things might be better at one over the other, but not by much. That is a fact wether you agree or not. It's a simple fact of life. I don't have a problem with these operations. I have a problem with the pilots accepting these terms of employment indefinitely. Allowing a pompus bast**d like Clive Bedoe to become even more arrogant on the backs of the pilots is hard to accept as a professional. And he's not the only one. The arrogance of R. Milton is just as bad, but at least he has to face a pilot's union at AC who has achieved a better lifestyle for its members- all-be-it not what it used to be, thanks in part to the Walmartization of our industry. So, should we come down so hard only on the Jetsgo gang? I think not.
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" Easy speech to make when you are working at AC..."
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Unions are not exclusive to AC. It isn't difficult to get organized with a union. It's apparant though that many pilots are perhaps brainwashed in their company that they don't need a union and that life is good anyway. Maybe life is good. I don't know what their idea of "good" is or what yours is. I can tell you that with a union, you're always a step up. Not that it's always a perfect arrangement but at least better. Better lifestyles and proffessional integrity are not achieved by hoping management will take care of you. Simply having a so called pilot group is not a strong enough voice. Organized labour is always stronger at achieving the goals of its membership.
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Unions are not exclusive to AC. It isn't difficult to get organized with a union. It's apparant though that many pilots are perhaps brainwashed in their company that they don't need a union and that life is good anyway. Maybe life is good. I don't know what their idea of "good" is or what yours is. I can tell you that with a union, you're always a step up. Not that it's always a perfect arrangement but at least better. Better lifestyles and proffessional integrity are not achieved by hoping management will take care of you. Simply having a so called pilot group is not a strong enough voice. Organized labour is always stronger at achieving the goals of its membership.
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That's hillarious "PayRaisePlease". I don't even work for Jetsgo, and I'am not living in the sandbox !! But I used to bomb it from FL300. Think before you speak and maybe you'll get some respect on this forum.
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This Jetsgo pilot bashing needs to stop. The fact someone started a thead about "prostitution" needs to grow up - and quickly.
Also, this forum has been around the whole bonding story time and time again - and it is no longer a rare (sadly) requirement, with outfits across the expanse applying bonds (Virgin, Easy to name two).
Here in the Maple Leaf, two years set salary is the trade for the bond, and not a great hit to the company balance sheet if a pilot is daft enough to leave after having got the type rating and building seniority.
As for those who think we have it set in Air Canada, look at the reduction of salaries, pensions etc. which would have been even worse if we didn't have a union fighting our corner. Brucelee has hit it right on the nail - effective collective bargaining power through a union - whether CALPA or ACPA - or whatever, will help prevent further degradation of the professional standing pilots have earned - and deserve.
As an aside, knowing how difficult it is to get a break into Canadian commerical aviation, I think it beggars belief some have the audacity to criticise those, with flying in their blood, seeing an opportunity to build turbine time, participating in a bond scheme, with the promise of repayment with interest. If in the same situation, I probably would've done the same.
So, time to move on. I think the ex-Jetsgo guys and gals have suffered enough without a pompous kangaroo court being convened. Let's just wish them luck, and hope they'll get into the skies soon, wherever that maybe.
Also, this forum has been around the whole bonding story time and time again - and it is no longer a rare (sadly) requirement, with outfits across the expanse applying bonds (Virgin, Easy to name two).
Here in the Maple Leaf, two years set salary is the trade for the bond, and not a great hit to the company balance sheet if a pilot is daft enough to leave after having got the type rating and building seniority.
As for those who think we have it set in Air Canada, look at the reduction of salaries, pensions etc. which would have been even worse if we didn't have a union fighting our corner. Brucelee has hit it right on the nail - effective collective bargaining power through a union - whether CALPA or ACPA - or whatever, will help prevent further degradation of the professional standing pilots have earned - and deserve.
As an aside, knowing how difficult it is to get a break into Canadian commerical aviation, I think it beggars belief some have the audacity to criticise those, with flying in their blood, seeing an opportunity to build turbine time, participating in a bond scheme, with the promise of repayment with interest. If in the same situation, I probably would've done the same.
So, time to move on. I think the ex-Jetsgo guys and gals have suffered enough without a pompous kangaroo court being convened. Let's just wish them luck, and hope they'll get into the skies soon, wherever that maybe.
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Well said Inuk. I suspect that in the end the Jetsgo gang will have the last laugh as they are now marketable for some of the best jobs in the world. I suspect we will see some at AC in the next round of hiring. What do ya think of this bid that just came out? Good to see all the furloughs back.
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c150.
Refusing to pay for the checkout is quite an honourable thing to do. But let me ask you, do you think working your ass off for peanuts at any other lowcost is any better for this industry? There seems to be a double standard here. My position is , and you know it well by now, that the lowcost virous has degraded us all. Wether you buy your job or accept slavery is irrelevant. The fact is that if you have flying in your blood you will do what ever it takes, for better or for worse. Eventually the good companies will survive and to some large degree, destiny and lady luck will decide where you retire. Not where you buy your job or accept to assume a comprimizing sexual position and let Clive Bedoe, M. LeBlanc, or Mr. Canjet have their way with you. I guess I should include R. Milton just to make you happy.
Refusing to pay for the checkout is quite an honourable thing to do. But let me ask you, do you think working your ass off for peanuts at any other lowcost is any better for this industry? There seems to be a double standard here. My position is , and you know it well by now, that the lowcost virous has degraded us all. Wether you buy your job or accept slavery is irrelevant. The fact is that if you have flying in your blood you will do what ever it takes, for better or for worse. Eventually the good companies will survive and to some large degree, destiny and lady luck will decide where you retire. Not where you buy your job or accept to assume a comprimizing sexual position and let Clive Bedoe, M. LeBlanc, or Mr. Canjet have their way with you. I guess I should include R. Milton just to make you happy.
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Each to their own C150 - the lure of the whine of a turbofan, even an MD83 P+W or F100 Tay is too much for some.
Good news to see the guys back brucelee. Think Jazz have already recalled haven't they ? So, the 170 or so guys who were furloughed are being brought back on - and hopefully in time for a good summer season.
Let's hope that's the last furloughing for a while (is that a word?)
Good news to see the guys back brucelee. Think Jazz have already recalled haven't they ? So, the 170 or so guys who were furloughed are being brought back on - and hopefully in time for a good summer season.
Let's hope that's the last furloughing for a while (is that a word?)
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Inuk. Amen. Furlough should be a forgotten word.
Lots of training going on. Embraer and 767 departments very busy. Next bid, 777. I see the light.
Jazz all back to normal and probably be hiring when our RJ fleet begins to migrate to them this summer.
You hear anything more on AC/ USair/America west merger? Mixed feelings on that one.
Lots of training going on. Embraer and 767 departments very busy. Next bid, 777. I see the light.
Jazz all back to normal and probably be hiring when our RJ fleet begins to migrate to them this summer.
You hear anything more on AC/ USair/America west merger? Mixed feelings on that one.
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I do understand that this is a place to share our thoughts but pilot bashing needs to stop. I worked for jetsgo. I payed 30 000 CAD and I signed a paper along with Jetsgo representatives saying that they were going to repay me with good interest. As it stand today, I lost nearly 10000$. We, as a pilot group, are trying to go after Jetsgo and ML to get our money back, but I understand it will not be easy and chances are very slim I will get to see the color of it again. However, please, before judging, put your self into perspective. 1 1/2 yrs ago, AC was under bankruptcy law, WJ was running lean, Canjet aswell, Skyservice was not hiring or planing to, Zoom was not even in the picture, Jazz had hundreds of pilots laid off.....etc... I was applying to work overseas but nobody even replied to my job search...I decided to join Jetsgo. Yes it was a gamble but I got to meet some very good pilots. It was a young and dynamic enterprise and a fun place to work. I had the chance to fly a nice MD83 across all North america. People that flew for SG use to fly Embraers 120, BE20, B1900 etc. In order to progress in today's aviation industry, as silly as it is, you need jet time. I figured that my working experience up northern Ontario and Quebec gave me enough but that was not the case. So today, I just got hired on a 747 in asia. What got me this job? the jet time at Jetsgo. In fact, I, as many others, joined Jetsgo to gain more valuable jet time.
Believe me when I say that nobody put the money up front because they wanted to...some use to work for C3, Royal ... some are older and saw in Jetsgo a last chance to fly in Canada. A lot of people believed in SG. I did it for the experience, does that make me a whore? I don't think so...I think I took a chance and I won a little, lost a little...Guys, in Canada, some pilots never realized there was a crisis in aviation, some have been flying a 767 for 25 yrs and will retire with full pension soon. That's not my case.
The Jetsgo guys are professionnal, dedicated and proud. If you decide to threat them like **** when they're in the gulf, well to bad for you because you will miss on a chance to meet decent people...
Jetsgo pilots, please walk with your head high, you deserve it, Don't let people think less of you because you tried to make a living in this industry...
Believe me when I say that nobody put the money up front because they wanted to...some use to work for C3, Royal ... some are older and saw in Jetsgo a last chance to fly in Canada. A lot of people believed in SG. I did it for the experience, does that make me a whore? I don't think so...I think I took a chance and I won a little, lost a little...Guys, in Canada, some pilots never realized there was a crisis in aviation, some have been flying a 767 for 25 yrs and will retire with full pension soon. That's not my case.
The Jetsgo guys are professionnal, dedicated and proud. If you decide to threat them like **** when they're in the gulf, well to bad for you because you will miss on a chance to meet decent people...
Jetsgo pilots, please walk with your head high, you deserve it, Don't let people think less of you because you tried to make a living in this industry...