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Zorx.
Well I can tell you that in Canada it's generally a steady paycheck and home at reasonable hours. After 9/11 north american carriers were hit much harder than the europeans. Some of us had to bear the embarrasment of bankruptcy but there is much speculation that management saw that as a way to ratify contracts to their advantage. Anyway all that is behind us now and most companies here in the great white north are pretty good outfits, our pilots can hold their heads up high as we are regarded as being some of the best in the world. The company I work for constantly gets requests for our pilots to do contracts all over the world. I can also tell you that I know many canadians on these contracts who can't wait to come home. Many already have. I had a chance to work in europe myself and would have probably enjoyed it. But sooner or later I would have been back home to my old job. Those of you who have left canada and enjoy what you do- good on you and thanks for making room for the rest of us here. Just do us a favour, stay where you are and be proud of where you came from.
Oh by the way AC has posted a profit as well and don't believe all that crap about taxpayer help- that's been loooong gone.
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Well I can tell you that in Canada it's generally a steady paycheck and home at reasonable hours. After 9/11 north american carriers were hit much harder than the europeans. Some of us had to bear the embarrasment of bankruptcy but there is much speculation that management saw that as a way to ratify contracts to their advantage. Anyway all that is behind us now and most companies here in the great white north are pretty good outfits, our pilots can hold their heads up high as we are regarded as being some of the best in the world. The company I work for constantly gets requests for our pilots to do contracts all over the world. I can also tell you that I know many canadians on these contracts who can't wait to come home. Many already have. I had a chance to work in europe myself and would have probably enjoyed it. But sooner or later I would have been back home to my old job. Those of you who have left canada and enjoy what you do- good on you and thanks for making room for the rest of us here. Just do us a favour, stay where you are and be proud of where you came from.
Oh by the way AC has posted a profit as well and don't believe all that crap about taxpayer help- that's been loooong gone.
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Well I guess I am a lucky old Inukshuk in that I have JAA and current Canadian license privileges, but would prefer to stay here in the Great White North, for all the reasons brucelee rightly points out - marrying a Canadian obviously helps. (Inserts compulsory "EH ?")
Low cost blood bath in UK, according to Ryanair will end up leaving them and Easyjet, the rest either falling flat or picking up wee breadcrumbs. BMIbaby seems to be doing ok, but not delivering the results (allegedly) BMI want.
Charter outfits conditions vary wildly - but morale getting lower and disputes over $$ increasing, and getting to VS or BA not one of the easiest tasks...
So, denegrading Canadians (even those of us who hold dual nationality from UK and Canada) and use of appalling Onglish, and no understandie wot is syntax, not the best way to impress. God forbid anyone with such attitude comes to an interview panel with me sitting on it!
Low cost blood bath in UK, according to Ryanair will end up leaving them and Easyjet, the rest either falling flat or picking up wee breadcrumbs. BMIbaby seems to be doing ok, but not delivering the results (allegedly) BMI want.
Charter outfits conditions vary wildly - but morale getting lower and disputes over $$ increasing, and getting to VS or BA not one of the easiest tasks...
So, denegrading Canadians (even those of us who hold dual nationality from UK and Canada) and use of appalling Onglish, and no understandie wot is syntax, not the best way to impress. God forbid anyone with such attitude comes to an interview panel with me sitting on it!
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Inuksuk, You worked in the UK?
bmi mainline is the hurting one,baby diong ok, the group as a whole declared a £2M
profit, baby just opend a new BHX base (bad timing with Rover going T_s up), regional making money, mainline starting LHR to Bombay next month, with bids for other Indian routes, so a Icelandair 75 on wet lease for Man-IAD, till an new 330 or 2 come on line later in the yr.
bmi mainline is the hurting one,baby diong ok, the group as a whole declared a £2M
profit, baby just opend a new BHX base (bad timing with Rover going T_s up), regional making money, mainline starting LHR to Bombay next month, with bids for other Indian routes, so a Icelandair 75 on wet lease for Man-IAD, till an new 330 or 2 come on line later in the yr.
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As always this thread too has diverted somewhat but while we're going in this direction, I think there are good airlines and bad ones. Doesn't matter if they are lowcost or major. Some lowcost here in N.America treat their pilots very well, i.e. Westjet, Southwest and Jetblue among others. The problem I have with this new mentality is that the salaries are up to half that of the flag-carriers and are also limited in the long term because of one equipment only. Not to mention they work alot harder too. How this affects me and the rest of the industry is my managers can look at that model and expect me to accept those salaries as well. It's just a matter of time. We already have dropped 15-20% of our salaries. In order to maintain the industry standards that pilot unions have fought long and hard to achieve, the lowcost drivers would have to stand up to their management and request industry standard salaries- and please, none of that stock option stuff. By accepting a lower salary, you put yourself in the same boat as those who buy their type ratings. Airline executives are grinning and rubbing their hands together folks! Just my humble opinion.
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Getting back to my humble opinion.Ya babies I switched carreers or should I say came to my senses and now enjoy another career,with tons of options in front of me and lots of great adventures.
Food for thought for those drivers sitting at flight level wondering "What the hell am I doing?"Rock on folks.
Food for thought for those drivers sitting at flight level wondering "What the hell am I doing?"Rock on folks.
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"I switched carreers or should I say came to my senses and now enjoy another career"
Well Zorx, maybe your negative opinions would carry some credibility if you actually told your story (with details), instead of your cryptic references to having made a career change out of frustration. Based on the attitude you convey with your acidic tone, I'd say you did all of us, including yourself, a favour. I would not be at all surprised if your mouth got the better of you and you ran out of places that would hire you. Whether you like it or not, there are many of us who have made something of this career and actually enjoy it to boot! Life is what you make of it and in this business, attitude is huge!
Well Zorx, maybe your negative opinions would carry some credibility if you actually told your story (with details), instead of your cryptic references to having made a career change out of frustration. Based on the attitude you convey with your acidic tone, I'd say you did all of us, including yourself, a favour. I would not be at all surprised if your mouth got the better of you and you ran out of places that would hire you. Whether you like it or not, there are many of us who have made something of this career and actually enjoy it to boot! Life is what you make of it and in this business, attitude is huge!
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Well Safety guy I couldn,t afford it.Couldn,t afford the currency requirements etc.Yep I,m a poor fella however taking advise from my senior gentlemen in the biz I took the out.Ya safety your a smart guy by the sounds of it hoever the right thing to do is advise young people that there are lots more favourable career options out there and if I new then what I know now I wouldn,t of turned a prop.To defend you position so strongly suggest a position strongly in need of defence.
On a positive note less starts spell good things for the collective whole in current pilot population.Supply and demand I learned about in my MBA.Yes Safety guy,better negotiating power ,ages etc.I suppose you overlooked that.
Starts are down 40%in the UK and recently I noticed Oxford Air Training where offering a airline training program for a sum of 170,000.Well this poor guy can,t compete with you safety guy.
Further to this I don,t think pilots wives would stick around much if one minute your programing a flight the next your flipping burgers.
Gotta put the cards on the table mate,my mouth had little to do with it.It was my wallet,and if a youngster hasn,t got sufficient financial backing avoid this biz like the plague.
Good luck Safety guy I,ll keep it real.
Safety guy In regards to my opinions just for the record I think Mr.Li,s father put some value on my opinion.Thats a little bit of worth eh?He walked away from that loser of an airline swamped with a bad attitude.
Yes Air Canada should be out of business and I wouldn,t recommend anyone in there right mind investing money in the aviation business.
So safety guy be carefull with your "mouth"
Ya Safety guy you make it all worth while.Perhaps your getting payed to much to "enjoy yourselves to boot"perhaps an executive review should be made of aviators diminishing responsibilties in modern aircraft and have pay scales adjusted to reflect this.Sounds like constructive and positive nes for investor and shareholders that your pay be frozen for five years because you have fun anyway.
Is it like playtime Safety Guy?I,ll brush that by Milton and the other pimps in the office.
On a positive note less starts spell good things for the collective whole in current pilot population.Supply and demand I learned about in my MBA.Yes Safety guy,better negotiating power ,ages etc.I suppose you overlooked that.
Starts are down 40%in the UK and recently I noticed Oxford Air Training where offering a airline training program for a sum of 170,000.Well this poor guy can,t compete with you safety guy.
Further to this I don,t think pilots wives would stick around much if one minute your programing a flight the next your flipping burgers.
Gotta put the cards on the table mate,my mouth had little to do with it.It was my wallet,and if a youngster hasn,t got sufficient financial backing avoid this biz like the plague.
Good luck Safety guy I,ll keep it real.
Safety guy In regards to my opinions just for the record I think Mr.Li,s father put some value on my opinion.Thats a little bit of worth eh?He walked away from that loser of an airline swamped with a bad attitude.
Yes Air Canada should be out of business and I wouldn,t recommend anyone in there right mind investing money in the aviation business.
So safety guy be carefull with your "mouth"
Ya Safety guy you make it all worth while.Perhaps your getting payed to much to "enjoy yourselves to boot"perhaps an executive review should be made of aviators diminishing responsibilties in modern aircraft and have pay scales adjusted to reflect this.Sounds like constructive and positive nes for investor and shareholders that your pay be frozen for five years because you have fun anyway.
Is it like playtime Safety Guy?I,ll brush that by Milton and the other pimps in the office.
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Zorx,Dorx, whatever.
I normally don't get involved with nonsense but you are the guy most pilots pitty when we're at flt level whatever enjoying a good steak dinner. You are the one we pitty when we travel around the world for free. You are the one we pitty after a good session in the sim. Thank God for losers like you. It makes us feel that much better about what we've earned. And now that you have decided to quit you have also decided to turn against a good company. Are you that miserable? Pitty.Thank you for doing us all a favour. Good luck in your future endevours. Bye bye, au-revoir,sayanara,arrivederci.....
I normally don't get involved with nonsense but you are the guy most pilots pitty when we're at flt level whatever enjoying a good steak dinner. You are the one we pitty when we travel around the world for free. You are the one we pitty after a good session in the sim. Thank God for losers like you. It makes us feel that much better about what we've earned. And now that you have decided to quit you have also decided to turn against a good company. Are you that miserable? Pitty.Thank you for doing us all a favour. Good luck in your future endevours. Bye bye, au-revoir,sayanara,arrivederci.....
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Zorx:
Thanks for proving my point. I doubt very much that you know what "real" is. The only one who's defending anything is you. I have the facts on my side, while your arguments are covered in something that smells rather unpleasant. Please don't try to tell us you couldn't afford the flying currency provisions if you could afford an MBA; which by the way requires spelling and grammar skills, and costs $75,000 US at a modest university. If you have an MBA, they must be available in Cracker Jack boxes!
I suspect that you went out to the airport one day, only to have your instructor tell you that you just couldn't handle command of an airplane. It happens sometimes, not everyone is cut out for it. That does not give you the right to stamp on the aspirations of others who have the skills and determination to make something of a career in aviation.
You have alot of growing up to do. Maybe it's time to stop "listening to your senior", whatever that means, and start thinking for yourself. Start with a good long look in the mirror.
Thanks for proving my point. I doubt very much that you know what "real" is. The only one who's defending anything is you. I have the facts on my side, while your arguments are covered in something that smells rather unpleasant. Please don't try to tell us you couldn't afford the flying currency provisions if you could afford an MBA; which by the way requires spelling and grammar skills, and costs $75,000 US at a modest university. If you have an MBA, they must be available in Cracker Jack boxes!
I suspect that you went out to the airport one day, only to have your instructor tell you that you just couldn't handle command of an airplane. It happens sometimes, not everyone is cut out for it. That does not give you the right to stamp on the aspirations of others who have the skills and determination to make something of a career in aviation.
You have alot of growing up to do. Maybe it's time to stop "listening to your senior", whatever that means, and start thinking for yourself. Start with a good long look in the mirror.
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Like Brucelee, Zorx, I don't get involved in such folly as a rule, but I make an exception in this instance.
Having reviewed a good deal of your posts on this site three things are abundantly clear:
- You shouldn't really be on a site with the words "professional" or "pilot" in its title. You add nothing, and frankly, you make a fool of yourself.
- You are a wanabee who's been rejected, or perhaps you didn't make the grade. Or perhaps your story is true (doubtful) - you changed careers - which was your choice. So...why the bitterness ? Methinks something is not right...
- You're a fraud, with appalling English, who couldn't pass the McD's Burger Tosser comprehension test let alone one for an airline, and simply have too much time on your hands by firing off wayward potshots at those of us who have worked our backsides off to get to sit in the heavy metal, or any other kind of metal for that matter. Incidentally, as you don't have any language comprehension, well, not in your posts, how did you get an MBA ? I would've failed mine using your language skills...
I could ramble on, but my time is precious, unlike yours. Zorx the dorx, you are the weakest link. Cheerio loser!
PS Doo - born in UK, emigrated to Maple Leaf land as a nipper. Flying training/college here. Back to UK, JAA'd up - worked for a few years, then back to Winter Wonderland. That sums it all up!
Having reviewed a good deal of your posts on this site three things are abundantly clear:
- You shouldn't really be on a site with the words "professional" or "pilot" in its title. You add nothing, and frankly, you make a fool of yourself.
- You are a wanabee who's been rejected, or perhaps you didn't make the grade. Or perhaps your story is true (doubtful) - you changed careers - which was your choice. So...why the bitterness ? Methinks something is not right...
- You're a fraud, with appalling English, who couldn't pass the McD's Burger Tosser comprehension test let alone one for an airline, and simply have too much time on your hands by firing off wayward potshots at those of us who have worked our backsides off to get to sit in the heavy metal, or any other kind of metal for that matter. Incidentally, as you don't have any language comprehension, well, not in your posts, how did you get an MBA ? I would've failed mine using your language skills...
I could ramble on, but my time is precious, unlike yours. Zorx the dorx, you are the weakest link. Cheerio loser!
PS Doo - born in UK, emigrated to Maple Leaf land as a nipper. Flying training/college here. Back to UK, JAA'd up - worked for a few years, then back to Winter Wonderland. That sums it all up!
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Gentlemen a fraud ,loser ,tosser.(Sticks and Stones)Yep I got lot,s of time.My point isn,t for you champs as much as it is for youngster who may be mislead by unethical training facilities,and offer an alternative opinion which you fine gents may not share.My decision was supported by my wife and I,m quite happy about that.You world travellers can play with your stick and rudder all you like.
My MBA wasn,t in English and Canadians are not significant enough to be concerned with their opinions.Call me a fraudster yep sure,a damm good one enough to settle an old score with you tough guys.
So the point is really ,no point just opinions and payback to a national industry that wasted my time.
You don,t like it tough cookies.You cause to much pollution and waste taxpayers money bailing out loser who enjoy their playtime.
Ran it by the office and if you wish to picket I hope you don,t mind walkn in -20 crying the blues that zorx won,t pay us
Now Skyservice has a interesting O.C.I think that in fairness it,s legality should be put up for a parlimentary review.I do believe as do others that increased regulation will reverse some of the disasters in the industry.I.ll have to run this by the minister and question some of this dodgey activities.Next thing you know you,ll be registered in Buma or somthing silly.
Have a nice day drivers,and don,t feel sorry for me.
One more thing for the kiddies flying an airliner is like watching concrete set,and banks arn,t real cool with lending money to pilots.As far as the opinions of the gents above I am all of those and a few other colourfull things.My friends with these opinions are healthyfeedback for your information don,t try the biz in real life.
Fly for fun
see all u can see
don,t work for free
and when you have children don,t name them after me or brucelee
My MBA wasn,t in English and Canadians are not significant enough to be concerned with their opinions.Call me a fraudster yep sure,a damm good one enough to settle an old score with you tough guys.
So the point is really ,no point just opinions and payback to a national industry that wasted my time.
You don,t like it tough cookies.You cause to much pollution and waste taxpayers money bailing out loser who enjoy their playtime.
Ran it by the office and if you wish to picket I hope you don,t mind walkn in -20 crying the blues that zorx won,t pay us
Now Skyservice has a interesting O.C.I think that in fairness it,s legality should be put up for a parlimentary review.I do believe as do others that increased regulation will reverse some of the disasters in the industry.I.ll have to run this by the minister and question some of this dodgey activities.Next thing you know you,ll be registered in Buma or somthing silly.
Have a nice day drivers,and don,t feel sorry for me.
One more thing for the kiddies flying an airliner is like watching concrete set,and banks arn,t real cool with lending money to pilots.As far as the opinions of the gents above I am all of those and a few other colourfull things.My friends with these opinions are healthyfeedback for your information don,t try the biz in real life.
Fly for fun
see all u can see
don,t work for free
and when you have children don,t name them after me or brucelee
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Ok, Zorx, Ok. I think this has been done to death.
Why don't you simply wish those who want to try and get into the aviation business "good luck" and be happy both for them and yourself, with your new career.
This is now going round in circles with us lucky people sitting in the flightdeck of heavies being criticised for defending our chosen profession, and also trying to encourage those who have flying in their blood not to give up.
Can we find another topic to dissect ?
Why don't you simply wish those who want to try and get into the aviation business "good luck" and be happy both for them and yourself, with your new career.
This is now going round in circles with us lucky people sitting in the flightdeck of heavies being criticised for defending our chosen profession, and also trying to encourage those who have flying in their blood not to give up.
Can we find another topic to dissect ?
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Right,.......so on with the title of the post.
With A/C Mainline having recalled all their guys (I've heard 15 to 20 at Skyservice) is there any word on what SkyService is doing with respect to hiring?
Can anyone shed some light? it would be appreciated.....Thanks
With A/C Mainline having recalled all their guys (I've heard 15 to 20 at Skyservice) is there any word on what SkyService is doing with respect to hiring?
Can anyone shed some light? it would be appreciated.....Thanks