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TightSlot 10th October 2007 10:21

Qatar Airways II
 
New thread - this time without the hateful stuff

MCTMAN 11th October 2007 11:14

OK,in the absence of anyone not saying anything positive about QR,how about previous employees who have gone onto far greener pastures?

Best example I can think of is the lovely Brit Emma W who I believe holds a very senior position in a corporate setup in Saudi Arabia.

Hope this is an inspiration to some!

TightSlot 11th October 2007 11:45

There is no requirement to be "positive" - simply a requirement that contributors not express racist or hateful or abusive or libellous views - most other airline threads have managed to get by with this - Qatar seems to be the exception.

Prove me wrong... please!

flightlevelchange 11th October 2007 17:38

Hey MCTMAN

There are many good examples,

Both Jamie's are also doing very well for themselves as well

Thats just another good example, good company QR could of done very well with some great crew who hae come and gone but unfortunately upper management is a bit to be desired.

FLC

aviduser 11th October 2007 21:04

Another thread without the negatives
 
Impossible, surely with this airline.

Word reaches me today of another group, being fired for not being at base before their duty.

A memo has gone out this week, all employees must be in their own accommodation every night regardless of duty, a scan of this memo can be seen if requested.

The airline right now seems hell bent on alienating as many people as possible and making it impossible for crew to lead normal lives or have any sort of life outside of the airline.

At the moment there is an excess of junior staff so they may be just be trying to get the numbers down, but what happens when the airline wants to expand.

It will have such a bad reputation that no one will want to work for them.

Which is kind of a shame, the planes are modern, the routes not too bad and the pay although low is tax free and your flat is free.

Qatar is not heaven on earth by any means and to be honest if you are a single girl aged between 20-30 it really is the last place on earth you would want to live, but its getting better, the City is slowly improving and the infrastructure is falling into place, one day it will be a great little City, hopefully a bit like Dubai but without the infernal traffic.

The problem will be the airline will never be World Class as they just won't attract the type of quality crew needed to keep the airline up to standard.

until Al baker goes there will be no change and I can honestly say that I would not recommend any one joins until he goes, then and only then will the airline be one worth considering.

cavelino rampante 11th October 2007 21:51

good post aviduser
Al Baker is the main thing that is stopping this airline reaching for the stars, once he goes and we get a capable and reasonable ceo this will be I believe a fantastic airline. We have great aircraft, great service, a great network, great people and great potential here. Hope that day comes soon.

Black Stain 12th October 2007 22:54

Dear Cavelino,

The CS I just flew with must be the most senior QR cabin crew. The service she gave to pax on the dead heading flight down was OK. But during the crew brief to come back she knew little?? EVAC, ELT, security codes, restraint training... She was there just to wait on passengers, nothing much more.

Crap training, crap conditions.... crap job!

Being a Cabin Crew member carries a very serious responsibility. If you want to be the best Flight Attendant that you can be please look elsewhere.

cavelino rampante 13th October 2007 09:22

CSD's are the most senior crew in QR not CS's. Go to the airlinequailty.com website, most of our passengers feel the service is better than OK.

Did you give her an impromtu SEP exam on the way back then?

Despite all these safety concerns YOU still operated the flight!

Thought you had left and taken your misery with you.

loc22550 13th October 2007 16:34

Aviduser :..."city slowly improving....".......really...?, ..CHANGING for sure,.....but IMPROVING....not convinced at all...!:bored:

Princess Layover 13th October 2007 19:11

Note to Cavelino R:
A csd is the most senior crew on a 330 or 300 flight.
A cs is the most senior on a 320.
Duh...
Help! Help! The pilots have infiltrated the cabin crew website!
Can I say "Go back to where you came from" - or would that be considered hateful?

cavelino rampante 13th October 2007 19:56

Hi Princess

Just sticking up for you guys.

He/She did say "must be the most senior QR crew".

The most senior QR cabin crew is a CSD.

Black Stain 14th October 2007 09:27

A CSD rostered as a CS is a CS. And with a staff number less than 260, that's getting close to the most senior. Yeah I did give the crew a thorough briefing and I corrected all the deficiencies I found right there on the spot. Someone has to put an emphasis on safety before service.

Isn't it funny that those who cannot leave are always the ones that convince themselves their crappy job is actually quite lovely??? :ugh:

cavelino rampante 14th October 2007 11:31

So lets be clear here because you are not and its a very serious allegation... you picked up all those major deficiencies in her brief to the crew? or you gave her an impromptu SEP exam?

A300Man 14th October 2007 12:40

Hmmmm........and here we go again! Thread thrown miles off course.

Loc22550 mate, I have no idea why someone is suggesting that you purchase a dictionary, as your spelling is faultless in the post above.

Never mind.........we should probably ban threads that contain the letter "Q", as it seems to be nothing more than provocation for a whole load of BS to hit the boards from some correspondents.

(Not aimed at 225500, Cavelino or Black Stain, by the way. Whilst internally having differing opinions, at least your posts do contain factual data, guys!!)

I have a genuine question for QR cabin crew (or anyone who happens to have the answer): given that the Boeing 777-300ER will be arriving soon into the fleet, has cabin service and safety training begun yet? Once it does, will there be dedicated Boeing crew, or will all cabin crew be eventually cross-trained to operate on all fleet types?

Thanks,
A300Man

the letter 19th October 2007 16:46

Still, QR has a five star ranking and has received awards for the Best Cabin Crew in the Middle East for five years...

A300Man 20th October 2007 05:37

Hmmm.

This is quite an interesting "debate". And, even more remarkable, is that both the correspondents have more or less the exact same style of writing, grammar, lack of use of capital letters, certain consumption of abbreviations.........

Could it be.............NO!!!! What am I thinking!!!!

I was wondering if anyone could tell me if the following Qatar Airways pioneer crew are still around and still flying with the company, or working now in management?? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Asitha (CSD from Sri Lanka)
Dilan Crero (ditto)
Kevin Herft (ditto)
Jude Kandappa (ditto)
Orla Keegan (ditto - Irish)
Maysoon Habayeb (Jordanian, I think)

Thank you in advance.

the letter 20th October 2007 11:03

Is it possible to become a CSD within three years at QR?

And... I miss their old uniform. Their new one is awful!

happy at last 21st October 2007 07:27

A 300 Man
 
Asitha (CSD from Sri Lanka) ---CSD
Dilan Crero (ditto)------ CSD
Kevin Herft (ditto)------ CABIN SERVICES INSRUCTOR
Jude Kandappa (ditto)---- PERFORMANCE OFFICER
Orla Keegan (ditto - Irish)----- DUNNO
Maysoon Habayeb (Jordanian, I think)---- CSD

Atleast when i was last there, till feb this year.

MCTMAN 21st October 2007 10:29

Last I heard was that Orla was living in MCT and was a Mum to at least one kiddie........

NewDoha 22nd October 2007 18:14

I heard that 14 cabin crew were terminated yesterday (Sunday) and their were some more today. For not being in accom in time before flights thats nearly 60 to date for the same reason. This man is MENTAL

Princess Layover 23rd October 2007 15:48

So I can hardly fail to notice someone has chopped off most of the posts in this thread.
Crew speaking about their lifestyle in Qatar Airways not to be commented upon apparently?
Ok so you may be saying "it was hateful so it had to go"?
Well THIS IS THE PLACE TO WRITE IT.
Its a RUMOUR NETWORK.
The one added recently about the new rules I am particularly sorry to see go, it is pertinent advice to anyone thinking about coming here, and it assuredly wouldnt be disclosed in any interview process.
This STINKS that it has been deleted.
SHAME SHAME SHAME on you moderators. What are you so scared of???

F.C.C. 23rd October 2007 15:59

Very good question. Why someone would not feel comfortable if an airline cabin crew rules were openly exposed on a forum?

It is a pity that truth canīt be exposed.

Leito 23rd October 2007 16:40

Well, I guess that the original idea of this thread was to write good comments about Qatar Airways but somehow it went of track, I totally agree that the comments should not be deleted and this is an open debate but we must keep in mind the original thread and comment on that, if you guys wanted to write all the nasty things about QR then a new thread should have been created.

Only my opinion as to why some comments are gone, maybe I'm wrong :confused:

Midadi 23rd October 2007 16:47

Hi I created a new therad! And my message to the moderator! Please don`t delete the truth stories as our aim is to help all ppruners across the whole globe who think of joining QR! We are strong, we are young and we will fight for the truth!!!!!!!!!!!

F.C.C. 23rd October 2007 16:50

Well,

I think that instead of opening more and more threads, having all the info in one topic would be easier for both visitors and moderators. I still donīt know if the posts wer deleted because of its content or because this particular topic was only about good things about QR (which by the way, I have read it stands for Quick Resignation).

Truth can not be hid, itīs like !!!!, it always comes up floating. (Direct translation from Spanish, I do not Know if itīs the correct one)

Cheers from BRS

TightSlot 23rd October 2007 17:37

Skating On Very Thin Ice
 
The other thread has been deleted.

I've tried to explain what is going on in an adult manner. This appears to be more than some of you can deal with so now we'll try the other way.

Posts have been deleted on this thread because:
  • They directly accused people of being homosexual, in a manner intended to cause maximum offence
  • They make other serious accusations about the airline without proof or evidence.
  • They contained foul language or gratuitous insult.
  • They were posted in a mixture of SMS text speak, or with an absence of punctuation, or in a language that was not immediately understandable by an English speaking audience.

This thread does not require you to be 'positive' about QR (as has been said before if some of you would take the time to actually read and think about previous posts) - personally, I couldn't give a toss whether you are unhappy or not, at QR, or anywhere else. However, PPRuNe requires that you avoid posting in any off the ways mentioned above, and if you don't, your posts will be deleted and your right to post removed.

There is no other thread in this forum at the moment, where the contributors are so consistently unable to behave in a polite and civilized manner. Moderators lives are too busy (we fly too, remember) to cope with a series of immature hissy fits from boring, disgruntled and apparently semi-literate people, who bring our chosen profession into disrepute.

Oh, by the way, Mods don't enjoy being lectured about impartiality, censorship and the real purpose of PPRuNe by anybody, but especially by those whose own contribution to PPRuNe is minimal. If you do not like this website, then go somewhere else: If that decision is to complex for you, then we would be delighted to assist you.

hehehe 25th October 2007 14:08

A good thing to say about QR
 
I found a good thing to say about QR: having an experience there will help you find a job somewhere else, in a better company... Hehe...this is what they do: they train people for other companies.
All the best!:p

Midadi 25th October 2007 17:20

Hi ok, in my opinion I have to say that as a muslim such as from arabic countries it would not be so difficult to work for Qatar Airways! But for poeple from Europe or somewhere else it might be a bit hard because they have to abandon their normal behaviour such as smoking, drinking, party life, girls and boys........The muslims know the rules in muslim countries and know how to behave in different situations, especially in countrys like Qatar, Saudi Arabia or U.A.E That would make life and work in qatar much more easier for them than christians who were parented a completely different way of life!

A300Man 25th October 2007 17:29

One wonders what the average age is of Qatar Airways cabin crew?

I have to say, I stand by my post above - whenever the letter "Q" appears in a thread, the whole thing sinks right into the depths.

Is it a sign of immaturity (arising from a very young and inexperienced workforce, with no real experience of life), OR, is the Company actually REALLY that bad, and hence, driving its people to total despair? (genuine question, so don't start throwing stones and being agressive in any subsequent responses).

Repeated, in case you missed it: Genuine question, so don't start throwing stones and being agressive in any subsequent responses.

Cliff 26th October 2007 08:51

The Letter, I just flew Qatar from LHR to BKK and I personally don't understand why Qatar is rated a 5 star airline and how come they get awards for best cabin crew. Most crew members on my flights were unfriendly and did not seem to enjoy their work. One flight attendant - seated in the middle of the cabin, facing passengers - was sleeping on his crew seat during landing! :eek:

loc22550 26th October 2007 11:16

Cliff..donīt be suprised,..this is something normal in Qatar airways...:uhoh:
Indeed iīm always impressed by the "smiling" face of the cabin crew going to work here....:ugh:"
But honestly what can you expext when you are only able to recruit desperated people from the far east and you treat them like sh...
In this part of the world, slavery still exist.

Cliff 26th October 2007 11:25

Loc22550, that is really sad indeed. I am so happy to work for an airline that has good working conditions :ok:

salamalikum2 26th October 2007 11:34

I noticed the same when i travel with Qatar airways..crew sleeping in their seat during the approach...Not really good for the image of the company...

homesick rae 26th October 2007 11:42

In the days when QR did DOH-DAC-BKK-MNL most of the crew found it difficult keeping awake by the time we reached BKK! I agree, terrible for the image!

Cheers

HR

hehehe 26th October 2007 19:39

I agree that they have very young crew, but they don't even care about making them mature. They just want the image of a very confident crew. Eh, they treat theit pilots the same and they aren't of an average age between 19-25...
All the best!

ITO 26th October 2007 23:21

Hi !

I do not really agree with you about the pilots. They do not have restrcitions that CC are having, and if they got called to the office, it is not because of there hairs or there shirts coming out, or a water not given on time, but for typical technical issues that might have been judged not per company SOP, and here we are talking about aircraft piloting, and maybe about technical aircraft limitation that could lead eventually to incidents/accidents, if not properelly opperated, and I can give you a lot of exemples if you wish me to do so.

Back to the Cabin Crew, HAPPY AT LAST resumed perfectelly the situation. Thus, it is exactelly the reality that the company continue to ignore. Money can make you doing a lot of stupid things as you can see, and that BIG FEAR is just groing among there crews, and it's really a shame to see that it starts directelly from there AB INITIO Cours. I remember when we were all laughing ironically when during a breifing, a crew used to say " here sinc XXX, still enjoying ! " Boy ! What a lier you are :}

Anyway, it's an experiance that somone has to pick, and leave, because I do not think that sombody can stick to QR CC career for a long time.

Kauwahi 27th October 2007 11:17

I worked three and a half years at QR and enjoyed most of the time. Fantastic layovers. Made fantastic friends. Lived in a nice flat in Doha (although Doha was very dull). But yes, it was a very different environment with a their way or the highway policy. No mistakes. Constantly watched by someone. Settling in to a muslim country can also be difficult, let it be if you are from Asia, Europe as me or somewhere else. And yes, many people were unfairly and disgustingly treated (some of my friends included) by the management. When I joined I didn't know what to expect and made the best out of it which worked fine for me.

I didn't know QR employ people who are 19 years old? I would have thought at least 20 according to the law of Qatar?

cavortingcheetah 27th October 2007 11:27

:)

May I please direct your attention to the forum,
Passengers and SLF.
There you will find a thread running on jolly old Qatar and why it is not a five star airline.
:eek:

MCTMAN 27th October 2007 19:20

A300MAN,


Could it be half a dozen of one and six of the other,perhaps?

EYner 30th October 2007 07:22

Wrong
 
"qatar airways is the best for me because you have many opportunity to succed and be pride of your job :ok: be easy "

Well you are totaly wrong dude ... no comments.


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