Loc, one of the main concerns must be running short of "models" (just to make sure the Moderator will not cut my ears) for promotions. Just out of curiosity, check the web site and you'll see some faces for a longer period of time. Now (after getting this information) there will probablly be some spot checks in the training and briefing rooms + the A/C's to make a new selection. You can have so much fun only if you hear the conversations (for example): "What's your favourite colour? What's your sign?" and things like these. I just heard that on somebody's phone,she got the conversation recorded ( for somebody's concern:the person is not there anymore so don't chase away the potentials because there will really be no more crew in the company, if you don't want people to know about these kind of things there is only one basic rullllllle: DON'T DO IT!:\) ...


Rich, if you want to see India in its beauty, just go to QR for some time and you'll have enough of it. I would say, don't even think of joining QR!... It's SOOOOO BAD! Go to Etihad, they are recruiting so much now.

Cheers!

loc22550, was it the time when they recruited in Berlin earlier this year? I heard also from another person that there were not too many people at their recruitment day in Edinburgh. Word has begun to spread! And by all means, it is understandable if AAB is beginning to worry about the situation with crewing and recruitment. He needs to crew all those aircraft which he has on order!

hehehe, I don't really understand what you mean by your post? Favourite color? Sign? Yes, they do very much like to recruit in India (as much as Emirates enjoys recruiting in Australia) but your comment was a bit unfair.

Anyway, just a bit of advise to those who are considering on joining QR:

As much as I know, most of the new joiners have fantastic layovers for the 1st 2 months, but they never saw that kind of roster again.

Yes, the company is dominated by certain nationalities who can get really LAZY and show attitude problems.. These are mainly the people who run the company as well. And if you need welfare, staff travel, rostering help, you can jolly well know what to expect (you HAVE to be reaaaaally patient and superficially NICE to get their attention..)..

If you like things to be this way, come, join us. Otherwise, really, don't waste your youth and precious time with this company that binds you for 2-3 years and put up with all these nonsense.

If I, or other QR crew can be writing such things here (or even elsewhere), isn't it true that the stupendous welfare has been very well established?

Always think twice.

Emirates take them all
 

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To all people who have interest in being Qr C.Crew
 

So my comment here is to all of you people,regardless from nationality,culture,skin colour,whatever...
You should clearly listen to the people here who are dedicating their time to explain,confirm and prove to you people not to do the same mistake that they did some time ago when they joined this military regime.Well guess what,is not suppose to be like that,but heyyyyyyy,we are not the one's who can change s***t here so,reasonable people do one thing-LEAVE
Rules suck,no understanding,hunting you on your first mistake,no rewards for you extended work(don't forget that certain group people fly over 120 block hours a month,where average suppose to be round 90).
And one of the Grand reasons is that they try so hard to limit your personal life,where at certain point you will find yourself thinking that the only time you can do anything normal is on some longer layover(pray you have one).
I hope this reasons and explanations will give you a reason to think one more time if you should or should not join this military...ups ...airline?
If you wanna experience the filling how is to be back stubbed,be my guest,one thing that never runs out of supply here is VOYAGE REPORT.those are the most precious investment of the company's general AAB and it's soldiers in the tower.
I hope this can serve you good....

recruitment in melbourne
 

i know you all hate your job at QR and i understand why, but it is a good step for those of us who just want to work in the middle east. i have been cabin crew here in Australia for just over 3 years and the thought of a tax free salary seems pretty good for me.

every airline uses and abuses their cabin crew and are always short staffed. you always get screwed by rostering and crewing.

so apart from these similarities can anyone tell me in point form what is it that makes you want to tell people not to come over to QR? EY and EK would be good yes but they do not recruit as many aussies as you would think, i went to both open days. EY in abu dhabi and only 10 people out of 300 got through. EK in australia only 15 people out of 90 got through. it doesnt matter how many people show up, they are still only selecting a few.

so why not work for QR if only to get a step in the middle east and move onward from there?

Hi Cherrie! You are right! EY and EK take only few applicants during Open days! Usually it is so that 2 males and 9 to 11 females will be taken further to final interview (this is what I have seen as I also did it until final at EK) Well I think if you really want to do this job in the middle east and if you think that you can do a perfect job (this is what QR wants) than you can try Qatar Airways! Of course they are having problems with crew etc but if the see thisnthey will be forced to solve these problems by giving the crw better options! Well I also attended QR Open Day and there were only 20 people who showed up for this Open Day! The recruiters told us that all their rules are only there to save you and to show your parents that you are in good hands (this is what they told) Well, as said before if you think that you can handle this good than try and check the situation!

Passenger Action
 

I am a QR Privilege Club Gold FF as my job takes me east of the UK regularly and the QR service out of Manchester is perfect for me.

I have followed this forum for months and I have to say it does not surprise me, the things you describe can be clearly seen on the faces of the CC.

When I first started to fly with QR more than three years ago, things I think were different and the crew did love their jobs. What I see now is a bunch of terrified people, far from home scared of the god that is the CSD. The way that they are spoken to by their superiors is terrible and comands no respect. I have heard crew moan to passengers, and thought at first it to be unprofessional, however now I think it is some sort of cry for help.

I work in the travel industry and we do a lot of business in the middle east - i am well aware of many working practices that go on. However I would have thought it would be obvious in the case of CC that a motivated, happy and not scared crew would be better for business - and more importantly should the worst happen, would you want a crew scared of making a simple mistake in the event of an emergency. I am not saying that they are not well trained in emergency procedures, I am merley suggesting that being afriad of making a decision can make a huge difference in those circumstances.

I have decided that despite the many good (in fact some of the best) benefits that Gold FF provide me with QR - I will carefully consider if I will fly with them again. I will asdvise my colleagues of the same.

I do not want to be a passenger on a slave ship.

Ready for any flack thats going to come my way

thank you
 

thanks for your opinions people. personally i know how to keep my trap shut head down and work hard.i know this is how you have to be at a place like this. if sucessfull i only plan on being there long enough to get a job at EY or EK. just need to know if QR has a binding contract or not?

recruitment
 

This is to Cherrie, you are right saying that EK and EY only take a few people, is not because they dont's need the rest, believe me that they do, however they will only take what they think is the best people on that day, that's why they always encourage you to go back to an other interview as they need thousands of crews.
Don't give up on your dreams and again, "don't believe everything you read", however is worth to know other people's experiences and to thank them for their precious time to actually share it with us :D.

cherrie,

as expected: QR has a binding contract... if you leave within the first year you have to reimburse certain expenses.

I don t know the exact amount, (ex-) QR crew can advise on this.

Mind you: same at EY (If u quit within 6 months)

there is some sense in it: some airlines have enough trouble with people doing the training and then running off to another airline for more money!

QR....
 

Join Qr if:
1. you want to see/feel what slavery means
2. you want money,you could probably save some
3. you want to travel
4. you did NOT understand the Warnings! that everyone(with few exceptions) are sending
5. you are lonely and have nothing else to do

Don't join if:
1. You are smart !

This is a message for THOSE who can conect with what we're trying to say... there will be always people that will misunderstand the point we're trying to make...or they have no choice and then we don't have the right to judge... Good luck to those of you!
And for those who have a choice, STAY AWAY from that part of the world! I hope they go back to camels!

Cherie,

You migh also find out that if you Join QR, you might not be able to go for EY / EK, they did have a non poaching policy in force, not sure if its still the same.

I currently work for QR and yes I must admit sometimes it can be difficult however I just keep my head down and work hard and keep out of all the politics, I find this works for me. I have heard many rumours about not being able to move to other ME carriers and I am unsure if it's true or not but I did apply to another major ME airline and I must admit I heard no more after submitting my application.

QR to other airlines
 

The rumour is correct , if you currently work for QR , other ME carriers wont accept you for employment. You'll have to resign 1st and allow a period of 2 years to elapse before you can apply to other airlines in the middle east.
I think its a smart act to enforce this from QR otherwise they'll endup crewless.

yes, I also heard about this ban, but on our EY selection day, there was a guy who works for QR, and he got through all stages to work for EY... :bored:

in my opinion, when I worked as Cc back in 2001-2002 for QR there were good days and bad days, stupid rules and sensible rules, mean CSD's and kind CSD's. At the end of the day, it's you as a person who determines whether or not you put up with it or not. I'm british and take no !!!! off anyone, so if somebody is talking down to me, picking on me, humiliating me in front of pax then I WILL say something. Other nationalites on the other hand don't know what to say back, they keep quiet because in their culture, they're used to 'taking crap' and being spoken to like crap. If it happens and you allow it to happen and fob it off as the norm then yeah, you're not gonna enjoy it and those subconscious cries for help will seep through. If people join QR cos they need a job then it's the wrong place. CC is inside your heart, travelling, meeting new people, living abroad etc. It's the whole experience, not just about making money. It's what you make it so if you're gonna moan and criticise and cry then one bit of advice, why don't you get the f**k out!!!???

It's a 2 years contract and should you resign before the contract ends, you have to pay roughly QR7500. Of course, if you resign after working for a year or so, you'll pay roughly QR3000 (all information given is based on what my friend, who recently resigned, said).

And should you resign before the 2-year contract, you are NOT ALLOWED to join any Middle Eastern Airlines within 12 months after resigning with QR.

I always thought that rules were implemented to help us and as long as I conform to the rules, everything would be fine. However, it's not always true.

Let me quote you some examples:

1) I prepare myself very well for my flight and briefing, everything should go well for the flight, right?

Answer: No. Some CSDs just love to make things difficult for you. They ask you questions that you've never been taught in training. And these questions are what they learnt in their CSD training. And if you are unlucky as it is that he/she is in a foul mood, get ready to be reported if you dare voice your grievances to anyone.

2) You have NEVER gotten any nice rosters since Day 1 and you go to Rostering to ask for some nice destinations. And yes, if you go to a specific nationality who happens to hate you for any reason (maybe for your nationality, or even for your looks, or if they just happen to be in a foul mood), you'll get ALL Indian sectors forever. And it's true because it happened to someone I know. She's resigning.

3) I really hate it when the company's engineers dont do their job! They dont communicate with one another and just this month alone, I had 3 of my flights delayed for a bloody 2-3 hours on ground without getting paid! Hate it when I get scolded by the passengers for a fault that I did not commit. Hate it when I arrive at the hotel late and miss my breakfast buffet. Hate it when I arrive late at my destination and miss out all the time to go out for shopping due to minimum rest. I really hate it..

4) Sorry, but I really hate the way AAB COPIES all the bad things from other companies. A Captain told me, recently, that AAB is going to CANCEL ALL JUMPSEAT REQUESTS for QR crew because Emirates doesn't allow crew to travel on jumpseats. As if staying here with ZERO flights back home all your live isn't enough, the only chance to go back home on a LONG-HAUL flight on an UNCOMFORTABLE JUMPSEAT is even taken away from you... How would you feel? Other airlines are raising their crew salary up by 70%, why doesn't AAB follow suit? Why are we working so hard in fear, putting on a happy facade behind all our fears and insecurity in front of the passengers, telling them how 'happy' we are working for our company, getting worse treatment the longer we stay here? Aren't we supposed to be rewarded from our loyalty to this company?

5) Lastly. You really have to be superficially nice to everybody in this company. To welfare, rostering, staff travel, etc. If you want to survive, if you need to get your stuff done, and if you show any annoyance or displeasure about their INEFFICIENCY and BIASNESS, be prepared to get screwed upside down.

6) If you put on weight, they will warn you even if you were underweight when you joined and am on the healthy-weight scale now. If you don't lose weight, be prepared to get a warning letter.

7) For any mistake, be prepared to either receive a warning letter or a salary deduction. Always check your payslip. They tend to over-deduct.

8) People, please. If you really are bent on joining QR, always get a spare bank account. Because it happened to my friend. Her flatmate took a bank loan and ran away from Doha and the company. God knows where she went, the company froze my friend's bank account simply for the fact that she was the girl's flatmate. Does it even make any sense? It has nothing to do with the flatmates! Imagine being penniless for someone else's crime and the company's stupidity and SELFISHNESS.

If you like everything described here that actually HAPPENED, I welcome you. If you meet with any problems, forget about going to Welfare for help, or crying in front of them. The weaker they know you are, the meaner they'll be to you. For one fact, they love throwing you around different accomodations to 'punish' you.

They forgot that we are CABIN CREW, not some Nazi camp for terrorists or criminals.

Simply true from A to Z....
But i just wondering with the numerous number of resignation we have here amongst the cabin crew, how Qatar airways is gone cope with his big expansion plan....because MR AAB should known that the one who are resigning, they definitly not gone spread the good reputation of Qatar airways,and it´s gone be more and more difficult to find people willing to work for Q.A....(same for cockpit crew actually)
Let´s wait and see....:uhoh:

the whole thing is gone way off track here, let me remind you all of the original thread...

...
New thread - this time without the hateful stuff

Is there anything good about QR, c'mon, sure it must be :hmm:

Thanks to All
 

with all due respect to everyone in here, and please dont bite my head off.....

in regard to other ME carriers whilst employed by QR, i have two friends one CM one FA who have just started working for EY whilst still being employed at QR. They had no problems getting the job at EY and the recruiter actually said it was good to have the experience from another ME carrier.

so i thinkit comes down to right timing, right place.

thanks to you all for the information. Every employer has good and bad things going on all the time.The aviation industry is like that wherever you go. It has given me ALOT to think about.

Cheers :ok:

I did hear a rumour recently about applying to EY so maybe it's true. The best advice I can give is give it a go if it's what you want, the worst outcome is if your unsucessful and then at least you know you have tried your best. Going back to the earlier post on staff jumpseating I actually heard this from an EK staff member a few weeks back and did wonder if this rule would be introduced.

Something positive about Qatar Airways? Well, the video screens in economy class are big ;)

..and the silver cutleries for the business class!:)

I have quite a few close friends working as CC with QR.One of the main problems with QR (among many) is the lack of consistency. Al Baker can change SOPs and regulations from one second to the next and he has millions of times. First of all when he sent the internal memo about the 10 pm curfew of staff being back in their accomodation regardles of wheter they were flying the next day or not (even if the were on leave they had to be back at 10 pm). Now due to so many people resigning after this memo was published he has gone ahead and changed it to you have to be home 12 hours minimum before your next flight ( any minute later and your reported) and you are not allowed outside of your company provided acommodation during your standby slot. I know from my South African CC friends that they never ( or very very seldom) get flights to SA because there has been a few cases of Crew doing a runner on a layover because they are so depressed and also in order to avoid having to pay the 7 500 Riyal bond.I know about 10 QR CC and out of the 10, 5 have resigned and 3 are not gonna renew their contract.

Another positive thing about Qatar Airways? They don't wear boring dark blue uniforms! :rolleyes:

Nothing new with national crew not getting, or rarely getting, flights to their home countries! I rarely flew to Europe. This has also been a great issue with QR about their crew jumping ship. It does save you a lot of hassle rather than resigning in DOH and going through what could be a painful procedure. I never experienced any trouble myself except the comment from a certain manager: "Not to worry. We were looking into getting rid of certain cabin crew members."

Not sure whether the poaching rule still excists! If it's gone, that's fantastic but I would advise all people to try EK and EY first because it will save you a lot of trouble. Working with QR could put you off flying but it will probably also be a great relief moving onto EK or EY and experience a more relaxed enviroment.

Something many of my batch mates and myself noticed: QR literally becomes your life!

Something positive
 

Ok guys, the new accomodation here are really huge and nice okay. The kitchen even has a washing machine dryer and a dish washer. At times during training, we used to gather at each other's apartment to cook, slack around and even have mini parties.

InTheZone:..may be wrong, but the creation of the curfew, and installation of cameras at the cc accomodation may be the result of a rape of one cabin crew(still in the hospital), by one Qatari guys and his friends..(hi- ranking:mad:)...But Shuuuuuut in this part of the world all the bad think have to be kept very quiet in order to save and preserve the image of the country....:ugh:

Something positive - Part 2
 

...and soooon everybody in the Golden Tower will be watching you on tv - via the hichtech surveilence system - while you're enjoying your mini-funny-parties and maybe closely examining what exactly you're cooking in the confort of your roomy,shining kitchen(with all the modern accesories). Also making sure that nobody gets raped,ok!!!

Come on.....

good
 

:pqatar it is a small country but a big culture and go for the high level of life like uae and usa :cool: enjoy it ...

Loc22550

As far as i know the whole curfew and surveillence extraveganza is due to the rumor that QR crew are having too much "fun" in and around Doha and some crew have supposedly been providing other forms of
"5 star" services on the side in exchange for money (if you catch my drift ;-). This allegation has no basis in reality, even if it is the case that a few individuals are doing that you cannot collectivley punish your entire workforce based on the actions of a few.The whole grasp of control on crews lives from the moment they are debriefed till the report for their next flight has got nothing to do with Al Bakers "concern" for the safety of his crew.I know from my QR CC friends that Al Baker is known to have personally fired people on numerous occasions for the slightest of mistakes such as a CC who was fired because the little oryx on her hat fell off and she bent down to pick it up and unlucky for her Al Baker saw it and fired her demming her "careless" in his words. He is known to send people home on his inaugural flights if he doesnt like your apperance. A friend of mine flew the Inagural flight to IAD (Washington DC) and she told me Al Baker actually told two girls crewing the flight to go home as he inspected the crew that day and called on rostering to get him 2 new "pretty girls". These are not rumours, they have actually happened and DO happen at QR. Even though i understand that alot of people have no choice but to keep on working for QR and for some their job at QR is much better than what they can get at home in order to support their families, I personally,would NEVER degrade myself and put myself in a job where i would be treated like numbered cattle.

Well the fact that some cabin crew are making "overtime""by providing extra personnal 5 stars service.... is not new, and is just another evidence of the kind of desperated girl Q.A. is only able to recruit.

I highly doubt QR bans their crew from going out entirely because of some crew members providing another form of service. By all means it is a reasonable excuse which would make sense in some people's ears, but the main reason is probably to keep crew from having too much fun as in partying and not coming home until late.

And, for AAB personally sacking crew on inauguration flights. It doesn't only happen there! He personally sacks crew in DOH, or wherever else he would be. Place doesn't really matter! I did a couple of inauguration flights and I remember after one a small meeting which included the entire crew and him! Not the nicest words came out of his mouth!

I still strongly feel for all of those who have no other choice but to be there! Life is not always fair!

Dont mean to sound rude or anything but what do you think? If you work for Emirates can you live in Doha?

Well, at KLM we have flight attendants living all over the world: London, Nice, Oslo, New York, Toronto and Aruba. I am sure this is not allowed when working at Qatar Airways! :ouch:

Cliff,

Might be the case with many airlines around the world,including KLM,however thats not the case with middle east carriers.You have to be based and live in hub of the airline.

Another good thing about Qatar Airways and Qatar
 

Hi

I like the new 777-300ER of Qatar Airways and the new paintkit of its fleet!!!! Very nice done! What I also like about Qatar is the construction of the new luxury resort called "The Pearl" I think that Qatar is really progressing and the other good thing is also the New Doha International Airport which is sheduled to open its services in mid 2009! Qatar Airways, we see you are giving your best but nothing for your crew which works to hard to remain the service standards! Recently I checked the website of skytrax and Qatar Airways was really good rated in accordance to Emirates and Etihad who were rated not as nice as Qatar was:)

hello to everybody !

I used to work for the 5 star airlines, which is not true, and what i advice to the new people who are interested in working with the company, is to step back from the AAB mafia. there is no human rights and they will never exist with qr. u can have a laugh one day and regret joining qr the next day while u r packing back to home because of a small and silly mistake. i know that many joiners are childish and unware of the right meaning of responsibility; BUT that's what qr wants, it's not their fault. they want people to get scared and unsecured because it's easy to get rid of. i am happy now.

KARMA exists and AAB and his mafia will get it ... and very bad ... there are many actually so GOd is watching !

Yes InTheZone, you are so right and I know that. Too bad it is so different in the Middle East.