It has only been a few weeks and already I have had many roster changes; which is very inconvenient. My conversion course is looming and well, to be honest I don't really like the brand and before everyone pounces on me, yes, I am looking for alternative employment, which is a shame because I love where we fly to (BMED routes) and they are the only reason I am hanging on in there.

flapsfullretard
 

"you two from the previous posts should count yourself lucky, the bmi brand saved your 17.5 million loss making as**s a long wait in the jobcentre.

sooner you go the better and let all of those who want to make a go of it get on with it without ya moanin.....the arrogance of it; you would think that you were BA!!!"


What a ridiculous and completely pointless post. And so very ironic that you should comment on the 'arrogance' of others.

:yuk:

flapsfullretarded
we do know that bmi saved our bacon, none of us are unaware of that fact. most of us have come to bmi with a positive attitude and are looking forward to working with our new colleagues. I just hope that none of them have your attitude. very anti bmed

"bmi is a fantastic airline"

OMG I nearly spat out my tea.

You have to be jesting?

"My toughts exactly!!
obviously never worked for another airline "

Don't u mean 'Hasn't worked for an airline that was fast going down the pan because of the very business practices that you so enjoyed ?'

I tell you what, why don't you try a few months over with us at baby...then you'll know what hard work really is like..
If you don't like it, then go, There are plenty of yr colleagues (old and new) that do enjoy their job.:ugh:

Girls Girls Girls.This post is turning into a cat fight.Could a moderator please step in and give them a saucer of milk.:ugh:

if you think that cabin crew are waitress/er bus driver....you probably don t know anything about this job.............this can be the reason why......you think that bmi is a fantastic airline!!!!!!!!

ciao...

ps:miss u bmed:(

i miss bmed too, :{but onwards and upwards

bmi incompetence
 

Missing BMED too... but I am glad i am not working for BMI!

I met this lady Bonn.... she is representative of your Union and after talked to her about different issues the only think I can say is that she has been brain wash by BMI!! :ugh: I am not surprise your industrial conditions are nothing compare to other airlines and never will. I feel really sorry for you guys! They are laughing at you!

An example of the amazing company BMI is...

On the 28th of Oct there was a TBS trip for 4 days. When the crew arrived to the hotel around 2 in the morning, they found out that BMI has signed a contract with the hotel for only 7 rooms when in reality they needed 14 rooms.The crew waited until 8 in the morning before they could go to use the rooms from the previous crew.

The crew is still waiting for an apology from BMI.


I would like to send my support to BMED friends and colleagues and I would like to say to them:

GET OUT ASAP!

...then a week later in TBS a state of emergency was declared and bmi didn't contact the crew once. And then you have the GYD incident with the crew bus crash - bmi forgot to tell anyone that they had cancelled the crew insurance before the end of October. And now given that there is no government in Lebanon and they are on the brink of an emergency, do you reckon bmi are watching the situation closely? I bloody doubt it!

I miss u BMed!!!!
 

Hi guys....I was working for BMed for just under 3 years and...I miss it soooo much, it was a fantastic company to work for, good people and good condition... I left BMed before BMI took over cause I heard what BMI was like and I am so glad I did, I'm still in touch with few ex BMed and they cany wait to leave BMI.... I even heard u could be roster to do Cairo and back????????????? That's a joke, we used to do BEY and stay there 5 days with a shuttle to Alexandria (45 min flight!!!!)... Miss BMed sooooooo much!

The integration of staff from another company that offered a very different lifestyle for the crew was always going to be hard. Bmed crew have had a very different view of the flying world for many years. Much of it on the back of being a BA subsidiary, and the only way those guys can ever expect to get something like that again is to go to BA mainline. There isn't one airline in the UK that could offer anything like the lifestyle once enjoyed by Bmed. The company was broke and going under so you were going to be unemployed or taken over by someone else and they would have made the same changes that bmi have.

Bmi are poor at crew management and don't expect anything more than you have commented on here with regards to welfare.

With regard to the real names of people that have been mentioned here and how brainwashed they are, I can only say that I strongly disagree and I believe that it is more likely to be this: You can insult your own as much as you like but if someone else does then you will defend them otherwise you have been insulted yourself because you are still there. I would ask that you do not use peoples names here in future.

More importantly though for those of you wanting to leave; do so swiftly and quitely, because those of us staying need to be united not divided IF we are to get an improvement to our working conditions. A divided workforce only serves the company.

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This is a cabin crew forum Flapsfullretard, so as a FO your bmi experience will differ from ours. There is a huge difference between choosing to work for a company and having no choice in the matter. Many ex BMED crew are in fact ex bmi crew from many years ago and left due to the appalling working conditions for cabin crew. Don't worry we won't be hanging around for long bringing down morale at bmi. Most crew are just waiting for course dates with a professional airline.

.......and your choice, if bmed hadn't been taken over by bmi would have been?
Jobcentre, methinks. I know that you don't want to thank bmi for saving your jobs. It's not gratitude that anyone wants, just a little more understanding in how our company "works" and how your old bmed lifestyle won't ever fit in with this work ethic. And if you feel that you want to work for a "professional" outfit, then you go and find one that allows you to continue the aforesaid mentioned "bmed lifestyle". No-one's stopping you, but just don't go denigrating the job that hundreds of your new bmi colleagues are doing day in, day out. Now that really isn't very "professional", is it?

Why did you leave them if they were so good?

I did not denigrate anyone's job. Merely said that many crew do not find the working conditions at bmi to their liking and will be leaving asap.

I think yr comments about a "professional" airline somehat show how you are doing down the job that the majority of bmi crew actually enjoy...(and I know they do)
Over 60 years in the game so far.........Hey, we're still babies, aren't we?

Have been watching this thread for some time now and I think that it's time that we drop the Bmed/ bmi divide. We are now one airline and should consider ourselves so. For those that find the working conditions etc unpallatable then just consider that a lot of the people that left bmed in the summer to join the big 'airways' are not enjoying the lifestyle that they previously did either, neither are they totally happy. For example regular roster changes, minimum rest, split duties, long days the list goes on...... that's short haul. A fast paced changing environment. If I'm doing shorthaul, I'd rather it be where I am now. There are excellent people to work alongside and many more opportunities should you wish to hang up your wings and digress. Do you really want to wait years to even get an invitation to apply for promotion or wait at the bottom of an endless list to get part time etc??
Before anyone berates me, I too have come across from Bmed and happily did so. I too previously worked for bmi and was very happy there. My reasons for leaving were not due to being treated apallingly at all.
This kind of debate is destructive and only serves to divide a community. We should integrate and stand as one group with our new colleagues. That is the only way that we stand a chance of changing anything that needs to be changed.
I for one wish we could all accept what's gone has gone and get on with the job in hand. For one thing it certainly makes the day a lot easier and shorter if we dont sit moaning and winding each other up. Lets all move on.

Hi guys... I havent really read much of the forum but allow me to express my opinion about the bmi bmed thing... I started working for bmi in 2003 and I only lasted 7 months... My impression was very bad. The onlyn ice thing were people. But as far as i am concerned, people stay in bmi only because they are too young or they got rejected from other airlines. After 7 hectic months in bmi, having fun in flight but no money at the end of the month, I got a job with bmed... This was fantastic!!!Long trips, intersting destinations, well i am proud i was going out everywhere... yes tehran included and i am so glad i made some really good friends out there... People in bmed were quite sad, according to my opoinion. very few would go out and explore, m ost of them were moaning except when we were in beirut. As soon as I got to know the rumours about bmi buying bmed, I applied to BA and this happen as soon as I had a row with one of silly managers in BMED, yes most of them were silly and unprofessional... so I left to BA where is GREAT!!!!!!! So an andvice to all BMEDers, just EVACUATE BMI asap!!!! Go to qantas air new zealand, come to ba gatwick... much better that BMI!!!! ( I would rather work in TESCO instead)

Ladyflyby

As I recall the Midhaul Security Manager (who's area of responsibility this is) is the former BMED security manager is he not?

Another saucer of milk required me thinks!!

I believe he was on leave during the TBS incident. But in the end, you have a company here that tried to put someone with a broken pelvis in a business class seat back to the UK after they cancelled our insurance and they did not want to medevac the crew member out of the country. I just don't think they realise what they have taken on and before anyone says it, Saudi Arabia is a completely different ball game when you compare it to Kazakhstan and Iran! Let's not forget that we are also being paid short haul flight pay for routes that are longer than the Saudi long haul.

A lot of things are grinding my gears but is it not better to share and discuss? :)

Almaty,according to BMI is sh:Dort haul!?

As I recall the Midhaul Security Manager (who's area of responsibility this is) is the former BMED security manager is he not?

Well,If it´s the same "Security Manager" who wrongly accused a female crew member of shoplifting and had her sacked,then I would´nt expect much!!

Unfortunately, it is the CAA that place the Almaty duty into Short haul. Bmi are only exploiting the rules.

And no, I don't agree with it either.

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It is only because it is a two sector trip and each sector comes in under 7 hours that they can use that set of rules. If BMI did it in one with an A330 the hours would just go over 7 hours I would guess.

And pay Long Haul allowances!!.Very important to the guys and gals in the cabin

But they don't so the rules apply. If and when an a/c goes direct to Almaty and it takes more than 7 hrs then L/H allowances will apply. Bmi fly to Cairo and Moscow as a there and back 2 sector day, so working on your theory as the flying time is longer than 7 hrs irrespective of sectors should L/H allowances be paid? If you think so; then what about every other crew member who flies domestic routes for every S/H airline in the UK that regularly flies longer flying times every single day, should they be classed as long haul?

I am not trying to provoke an arguement, I am suggesting that we are clouding the issue with the distance from the UK that you get off the a/c at the end of your shift with that of how hard crew work on a day to day basis.

In my opinion the case for being paid L/H allowances is simply this. The longer that you are away from home you should be reimbursed for that time away from your kith and kin. There should be a financial benefit for you to be away that long.

Although on the Bmed bmi merger, I don't think that covers the whole issue. One of the issues that he ex bmed crew are having to come to terms with is this; when you have a L/H lifestyle you can live a long way from your base so your money can go further. The facts are you had a L/H lifestyle due to roster patterns but technically you were a S/H carrier so now you have been exposed to the S/H world that many of us are, and have been for many years working within, and it hurts. You commuters are having to come to terms with the company you trusted to allow you to continue to have the life you had, is gone.

I don't know how you deal with it. I hope that you assess your new found position and make a balanced judgement and not a reaction.

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I was only explaining the point about how they can use the CAA rules to their advantage, I wasn't getting into the debate about allowances one way or another.
Yes Moscow and backs are longer than 7 hours but the sectors are still under 7 hours for the purposes of CAP 371 FDP calculation.

Flapsfullretard
 

"for those that stay, welcome and look forward to working with you all; its not perfect but the pay is good and there is a lot lot lot worse...try charter!"

Errm at least 10 days off a month? haha you stuck up little twit!
try at least 14 days off per month - doing only short haul doing long haul it is much more!

oh and as for 5 days off down route doing no work... try anything upto 10 with my company... and yes we are profitable and yes bigger than your three(baby,regional&mainline) airlines combined....

but hey ho.... try charter... I think we have it far easier than BMI- rosters a lot more stable havent had the company change my roster since Aug unlike my friends at BMI!

You are quite right. They do use the rules to suite themselves! Which airline doesn't?

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get together
 

Hi everyone, I am one of the old guard at Bmed and like everyone else I am sad it is all over. but anyway, life goes on, we are now at BMI, and I think we can be a force for good here. There are a few things that we managed to slowly change at Bmed and I don't see why we cannot do the same at BMI. these are small changes that should not cost anything to the airline and that provides us with small improvements in our job satisfaction. Being able to request some trips from time to time is one. Resting in the cabin during a long duty is another one. I am sure there must be a few more we can all think of. And then there are other changes to address and rectify, like the loss of our medical insurance or not being paid anything when you are doing ground training, both things that a company in robust financial shape like BMI could easily offer to its employees but will not due to tight fistedness.
At the end of the day it is down to us to organize ourselves and fight for what we think we deserve. Everybody thinks of BA as the holy grail for cabin crew, but if things are good there it is because they have a strong union that fights for them, and the union is just a sum of its members. We need to contact and support our union reps and make sure they represent us properly, and if they don't we will have to change them. In this business we are in it is difficult to keep in touch and we all make the mistake of going home and forgetting about everything, but now thanks to the internet it should be a lot easier to keep in touch and participate. So far everyone at BMI has been very nice, and you get the feeling the poor things have been so busy flying around (or applying for other jobs) that they have not had the chance to stop and think if things could ever be different. We know different, and can be the leading force for change. Let me know what you think of this and please any comments or suggestions will be very much appreciated. Safe flying to everyone.

gettogether
 

ATHOMEABROAD!

here's a sensible post!
I totally agree with you.
Let's get together and let's get this union to do something for us. As you say, some of the improvements don't cost anything to bmi.
So far though, I had the impression that things are set in stone at bmi and there is no willingness to accept changes.
Someone has been told by one of the managers 'I'm sorry to hear how you feel and I will understand if you will consider other options'!!!!!!!!!
And I have heard myself several times 'That's the way it is' !!

That says a lot!

I was told 'well this is how we do it here, you'll have to get used it' in regards to the forward galley packing (i.e. tumblers above the ovens etc..)... a month in and they have already changed it. They are penetrable!

I agree, people power is the way forward!