Yes, effectively the same thing - you have a claim on the airline if injured while abiding by the rules, which comes off the airline insurance policy; if disobeying the rules the insurance policy does not cover the injury and the airline is not liable for any claim. Same as the insurance; just that the insurer pays for successful, legal claims.

I work in financial markets, not airlines, hence my insurance know-how.

Thanks for all the PA's guys, i have noted them and will be using them on a regular basis and its my one pet hate on baord (that and when u offer sumone coffe from ur pot they insist on putting their cup on ur tray asking for tea!! ITS NOT A MAGIC POT!!)
I have to say, the Italians are worse for standing up, i have done many flights from Milan and the minute the back wheels touch the ground they r in the lockers, on the phone, wanting to use the loo!!

Great topic lol!

As a passenger i really don't get why people feel the need to be up and out of their seat faster than Linford Christie off the blocks! As already pointed out it becomes a bit pointless since you then end up standing in a queue in the aisle for five minutes doing nothing. Even after that whats the rush for? No matter how quickly you get off the aircraft you can guarantee that you'll end up twiddling your thumbs in the terminal for another 10-15 minutes before your baggage arrives at the conveyor belt. I suppose i could understand more haste from those travelling with hand luggage only but how many people on an average flight (especially long haul) can that be?
Personally when the aircraft is taxying and disembarking i take advantage of the time to read another couple of pages of whatever book i brought with me and usually saunter off at the end of the queue :D

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>>>Because it is often faster, and evacuating people over baggage that has been removed from bins is pretty tricky - not as many things to grab a hold of if it stops quickly either.<<<

I'm not sure there have been many evacuations from a/c arriving on stand in circumstances where people can see they're 3 metres from the gate and their ordeal is almost over - what are we being protected from at that time. Air travel is just awful and it remains a delight to stand as soon as possible rather than be couped up for another second so I doubt an in-joke-hissy-fit on the p.a. will change anything. It's a while since I've taken bus or tube but these were full of bags etc. the last time I endured it.

Brookhouse,

Ever had the delight of feeling 3000 PSI hydraulic pressure stopping the aircraft within an eyeblink? Even with all our straps secured on the flightdeck we still see the instrument panel from up close. Even more than we are comfortalbe with.

When FULL brake pressure is applied the aircraft will stop in a split second and people not secured in their seat will pay the flight deck door or the bulkhead a visit.

If an airline allows people to stand up before the aircraft comes to a complete stop and there is a need for full brake pressure to be apllied then the airline is liable for any injuries.

Depending on aircraft type you are still sitting on roughly 3 to 6 tons of fuel when you arrive at the gate. As people allready mentioned engines are still runnig and there is a risk of fire. Fuel and fire don't go together that well.

So that it what you are protected from.

Normally we have a listen out for PA's telling people to strap back in. A light tap on the brakes will normally help as well and people are eager to get back in thier seat.

I'm afraid that in the past I've been guilty of entirely the opposite.

My other half has travelled up front on business a number of times, however my experience has always been squeezyjet type flights and a couple of medium length s&m sessions in cattle.

We've always been happy in the past to sit back, read another chapter of our books and let the prols fight their way to the luggage claim, what we didn't realise when we came back from honeymoon, upstairs on a Virgin 747 from Barbados:ok: was that Upper got off first, then the '+3"ers', then the rest, how we coloured when we saw several thousand angry passengers, crammed into cattle, chomping at the bit to steam off and wait for their luggage as we ambled down the stairwell without a care in the world and the CC struggled to hold them back. :E

Oops!

PS, Upgrade to Upper on the way out, swapping wedding cake with the CC for Dickie's Virgin birthday cake, decent wine list and not being able to touch the bulkhead with my freakishly long legs, not to mention sitting next to the most gorgeous woman in the world, the best flight I've ever been on! Thanks Virgin!:ok:

Hey Honey truck,

Thanks for copying my post from last week it just shows that at least someone listens to what I say:p

On this topic I fly a couple of times a month mainly shuttles and cant understand the rush, Ive found it pays to sit right at the back as it keeps you away from flying bags,arms elbows etc as evryone tried to win the "I want my bag out of the locker first" race. It also as other advantages as I always seem to get served first with the bar and meal runs.

So if theres any BA crew reading this you will always find me lurking in the rear RH window seat on early and late shuttles from Manchester to Gatwick and back.

Happy Flying

Rob:ok: :E

fab one I heard on DJ a couple of weeks ago when I went to ADL "now I notice that the pax who stood up before the seat belts sign was switched off has now volunteered to help us clean the aircraft" - words as said by skysista in previous post

>>>Ever had the delight of feeling 3000 PSI hydraulic pressure stopping the aircraft within an eyeblink? <<<

Well yes (without the implied drama) I have during my 30 years, but I've never seen a passenger injured nor any aeroplane burst into flames in the last 10 yards of coming on stand which is when people start to unstrap. My view remains that it's no different to public transport by bus or tube and we should stop hectoring the customers as if we have some authority and individual accountability provide a decent service.

So you missed this one then - explosion on stand?

http://www.b737.org.uk/thai737news.htm

brookhouse I wonder if the insurance liability of the operators of a bus, a tube [subway/metro] train and an aircraft are different? My guess is Yes. Perhaps someone could advise?

When the end of any journey is getting close, there is always a natural instinct for it to be over NOW. But what does standing up in that last 10 yards (your number) get you? Of course, the airline might not want to save insurance money, they might actually not want to have to clean your blood off the carpet and seat fittings. After all, it would delay the turnaround ...

If the sign is on, sit the fcuk down.

The crew have spent the last maybe 15 hours (in some cases) feeding you, watering you, coming running to you whenever you press the call-bell instead of the Volume Down button on your handset. The only thing we really as of you in return is that you OBSERVE THE FRIGGIN SIGN.

I totally agree!

Young couple we know wanted to go to HongKong and the travel agent offered them a really cheap deal ex LHR via Paris, Dubai and Dhaka, changing planes in Dhaka and onto HongKong. They booked what turned out to be a nightmare style journey, both ways, but that is another story..
Getting to the point, whilst on approach to Dhaka many of the passengers were stood up getting bags out of the overhead lockers. This seemed to set the rest off and by the time the DC10 landed most passengers were struggling in the aisle with bags. If evacuation had been necessary it would have resulted in a fight for the doors, quite frightening to our friends..

BrookHouse-What are you doing on this board? I thought that this forum was for people in the industry and for other people that have an interest in aviation.You said in one of your previous posts that you hate flying and cant wait to stand up.So you dont like flying,I dont find many people that dont like flying have an interest in aviation.You also say that Cabin Crew are trying to enforce there authority not that they have any.You may want to rephrase that as you are obliged to follow the instructions of Cabincrew.If you fail too then Im sure you will have a visit from the local police when the Aircraft lands.Ive see quite a few passengers that thought it was funny to smoke on the plane and abuse Cabin Crew but dont think it very funny when Armed Police turn up to arrest said passenger.

Ive been on an Aircraft under Tow at Speed when the Tow Bar broke and the brakes had to be applied and the 747 stopped on the spot and anyone that was stood up would have gone flying.Comparing a Plane with tonnes of fuel in the wings and centre fuel tank to a bus/Tube is plain stupid.Tubes are run by electricity and all the interiors of tube trains are treated to be fire resistant these days.Buses dont carry that much fuel and do you see the engines open with moving parts-NO.You arent also allowed to stand upstairs at any time on a bus as well. While the aircraft is moving then there is the possibility of damage from debris that may be on the taxi way.Something could get sucked into the engine while taxiing and start an engine fire or expolision and the need to quickly evacuate the Aircraft.

Just because it hasnt happened to you doesnt mean its never going to happen.Think of that next time you are taxiing to the terminal.

Isn't that a rather hysterical response. All I said was - "My view remains that it's no different to public transport by bus or tube and we should stop hectoring the customers as if we have some authority and individual accountability and provide a decent service" - no desire to raise anyone's blood pressure. I've been flying aircraft for thirty plus years so I do have an interest in the industry.

now I remember why I love boxes so much...:E

What I still cannot understand is why some passengers have incredibly heavy bums when you are having your break (or are busy doing a million other things) to come to the galley to ask you "what time are we landing" instead of pressing the call bell and expect you to get there.........but as soon the a/c lands they become extremely agile and manage to slip out of their seats before the bloody sign is switched off!!! :}

Brookhouse if that is your view then its no wonder people turn up at 10.30 expecting to get on the plane and turn around and say but its not departing until 10.30.

Travelling on a plane is totally different to travelling on the tube/Bus.Maybe you should travel on the tube and bus and see what I mean.At the end of the day they are asking you to remain seated for a reason.Why not just accept that.If you spent 8 hours on a plane then whats another 5-10 mins getting off.

Remember those people that you think have no authority are the same people that could save your life should the plane ditch."Treat People as you would like to be yourself" and you cant go far wrong.If more people kept that in mind then it might be a nicer world but you cant ask for everything :D

I was doing the safety demo a couple of weeks ago when the tow bar broke causing all us FA's to go flying and I landed in a passenger's lap (very glamourously of course!)

I have no doubt whatsoever in the power of any aircraft's brakes and am always on the alert for naughty mischievous pax when taxi-ing. It's like the kill your speed adverts on the tv - it's there for a reason and if you don't like it then don't fly.