Screwdriver,

Nice one :D

I'm not prepared to post the facts on the BASSA forum because I believe it will just end up in a witch hunt. I've made my thoughts clear on the aggressive posts of many crew there.

HOWEVER..........if any other CC do read PPRune, then you might like to hear a qualification on the thread re "If you strike you can be sacked". There are many saying that if it's a legal strike you can't be sacked.

Truth: If it's a LEGAL strike you can't LEGALLY be sacked. So you could still be dismissed and you would have to claim for unfair dismissal. The maximum payout would then be £77,600 and you're not guaranteed to get you job back. Disclaw Publishing - Employment Law, unfair dismissal, redundancy pay

Once again, that's why I'll cross that picket line. I agree with the need to become more efficient, I'm hacked off with BASSA and I certainly am not risking my job. Rather a lower paid job than no job.

Ta ta for now.

My heart is in my mouth at the frightening prospect of another video clip of cheering whooping crew calling for a strike in the next few hours. I feel so bad for those that don't wish to be led in such a manner by their reps.

Henley is over and Gay Pride is only a day..

T'was tongue in cheek, as we seemed to have a shortage of CC over those days I was wondering why BASSA chose the 6th.

:ok:

I can only hope that enough "moderates" will attend the bassa meet to sway the vote away from a ballot for IA. (Well, we can all have our dreams can't we?).

The damage that will be done if today does result in a ballot for IA is the very last thing we need just now. Bassa says that WW has caused forward bookings to drop, but what will be their stance when the blame for that is laid at their doorstep?

Amicus (CC89) have a meeting tomorrow btw.

Unfortunately I believe that the BASSA spin machine, accompanied by the press, will whip up a vote of no confidence in Willie Walsh and also a vote for IA due to the forthcoming imposition of contractual changes.

Even more unfortunate is that I firmly believe that Willie and the company are not only fully prepared for such an eventuality but expect it and have robust contingency plans in place for anyone who goes along with the IA, legal or not.

I know many will scream tribunal if the P45 comes through the door but BA will carry that along for many a year and I am not sure that many of our more moderate and hard working crew would be able to cope with BA's delaying tactics.

Look at how many times they have dragged the holiday pay claim through the appeal courts!

wobble2plank

Yes, I fear that you are totally correct.

Even I can't believe that bassa are so naive to think the co. isn't prepared, or that they (bassa) are prepared to play a game of such brinkmanship in this situation.

Sadly, it seems most are following the simple "it's illegal" line with regards to termination. We know that the co. have already issued preliminary paperwork (an HR1 to the DWP, IIRC without checking?) but bassa have done nothing that I am aware of (as a now ex-member) to explain the implications of this. SOSR has drawn blank stares whenever I have tried to explain my very limited knowledge of it.

There are some 2000 people at today's meeting.

Anyone live-blogging the event?

Really? How bizarre? Bet that will stick in BASSA's craw!

How are the commuters going to cope when BA withdraws Staff Travel for anybody who does not turn up for work as a punishment after a strike.

They are also saying that there is no respect for crew and that BALPA has been given a sweet deal while cabin crew are bringing the losses.

It's not really the companies problem where employees live or how they get to work. That is more their problem. The company 'recommends' they live within a couple of hours of their base however the choice is up to them.

Could make it interesting for the chairperson ( :ugh: ) of BASSA getting to work, or even the occasional meeting.

BA refused BASSA's proposal even though it's a carbon copy of the BALPA proposal.

Middle East B2B's with same amount of MBT and B2B payment.

Disruption agreement to include minimum rest.

BASSA wants Boeing 767 to go to EF and do 80% EF and 20% WW.

BASSA has agreed to remove additional crew member on certain routes as it's a massive saving.

Getting rid of another PSR would save £15 million. BA also wants PSR to be in charge instead of CSD.

85% have said NO to BA's proposal.

How dare they want "sole control" of the operation!!!!

Jeez, next the company will want to decide what routes they fly and what aircraft to buy..... without any consultaion with the unions.. Outrageous!:ugh::ugh::ugh:

Imagine trying to run an operation without having to consult anyone on how best to react..... Simple, Efficient, putting the customer first, Utopia! What a dream that would be!

Apologies for being flipant, but I feel if I'm not laughing, I'd be crying.....

(Apologies for any tpyos or speelliing mistakes.. my fat fingers play havoc on a keyboard!!!)

"We will not fail to support our customers" they say. Go on a strike and you will definitely do that...

Erm. No, it wasn't.

They failed to include the singular payment replacing the 'bonus/additional' payments that the pilots have been working to for the past 5 years. The 20% cut in those payments. The disruption agreements. The increase in hours for a 2.61% pay cut etc. etc. etc.

Put the WHOLE truth out BASSA not just the bits that will get the most emotive results.

Not so sure it will be a 'proposal' for much longer, more a fixture.

Not my own words. This is what being said at the meeting.

nuigini,

Sorry, didn't mean it like that, realise it was from the meeting, I was just pointing out BASSA's spin machine was in full cycle and about to crash out of it's gimbals.