pips why shouldn't LHR crew be happy? It has nothing to do with them. They have their NSP. LGW apparently will have it as well. :confused: 5 new LH? Interesting. New destinations or a move from LHR?

Take care everyone.

P.s. - I'm starting my course on 1st of May LHR WW, because of my NIN reg. process that's going to last for a couple of weeks or so. If anyone on the same course PM me.

l.

I have heard the same rumours but have had no official communication from the union or BA.

There isn't normally any smoke without fire, but until I see it in writing then I'm reluctant to put anything on here which may sway people to choose "their fate" so to speak.

I'm sure it will all come out in the coming days, so everyone will just have to be patient (I've been patient for over 8 years so a few more days isn't going to make much difference.)

To answer you question Lusky.

People may be a bit cheesed off because at EFLGW promotion is very quick and done on merit (eligable after 2 years service), on all other fleets it's done on date of joining (invite, then interview). I think invites are at joiners in 1991 (that could be wrong but just what an old mate on WW told me 2 weeks ago).

So...you can see the difference, and the potential for upset when all of a sudden the list gets longer because EFLGW pursers could transfer direct into WWLHR taking up promotion slots etc etc.

Wouldn't suprise me if there is some clause in the new agreement putting the brakes on this.

Without being within the company yet it's difficult to understand, but believe me it's all very complicated and emotive.

If it does all come up roses for us, all I can say is..it's been a long time coming!

Its all to do with seniorty in ba,lgw sh have never been in the nsp so when they go into it, (about 1000 crew ) it means that the transfer list for longhaul lhr (if thats what you want) will take that much more longer to reach because as well as gla , man ect you will also have lgw now. It is only fair that lgw crew become part of the nsp because as i said before we all had the same interveiw you just dont know where your gonna be until the day. We have crew here that were told they was going to be lhr and on the first day it said welcome to euro fleet lgw .Because ww lgw will be no more, for the crew who commute ect the only other option will be ww lhr (well not the only option) but you know what i mean , so the waiting list for lhr will be bigger and take that much more longer to get onto. When mid fleet happens all wwlgw crew will go up to lhr ww so again for all sh crew who are on the list it will mean that transfering to lh ww will take longer.Sorry am not very good at explaining myself , i even manage to waffel on the computer!!!

if lgw did join the nsp all crew at euro lgw would get new start date with nsp rights and slot in at the back of the q. d.o.j oct 2006.

Well that's one theory. We were told it would be 2001 when we signed mainline contracts.

Who knows eh. Will all come out in the wash, as it's alreafy decided I guess.

big flaps why should that be the case :mad:

We have just as much right to fit in as anyone. Why should I as a Purser with 9 years seniority bow down to someone who has two weeks in the company.

When the discussions were going about 4 years ago this is what nsp suggested and lgw said no, why should it be any different now.

We serve the same food, look after the same passengers, put up with same rubbish just for the lhr unions to say your not worth anything at all have a nominal doj. I for one will do everything to stop this happening

:mad: :mad: :mad:

Anyway rant over.

Looks like there maybe some news on the final outcome of the mixed fleet talks this week and maybe some good news for LGW.

Watch this space.

See Lusky, you've opened a right can of worms now.:eek:

So sorry...:hmm:

WeLieInTheShadows thanks for the explanation. Maybe within a week or two in BA I will come to realize and understand the BA LGW/LHR love affair :E

I agree that seniority in this business must be mantained, cause it is only the right thing to do. I believe Unions know this more than well and will try to arrange and negotiate conditions to be fair to majority of the crew.

But come on, don't start fighting over this, as It is not yet confirmed...just gossip, hear-say ;)

But honestly I believe NSP for the whole company is the only right thing to do. You cannot be less worthy because you work at LGW (with regard to t&c of course), we all passed the same interview:ok:
It just isn't right. In my dream world we'd have LGW and LHR full rich of worldwide and european destinations so everyone could choose ...but uf....reality hits hard sometimes:} :} :}

Love and take care everyone...

L.

just spoke to bassa re singlefleet. it has all been signed announcement to be made v soon. singlefleet and lgw euro will NOT be given nsp.

WLITS i understad why you wont but it would be nice if you posted some rumour on this here rumour network!

lots of things flying (excuse the pun) about and you seemed to know your fish.

the way i understand the situation nsp would be nice for lgw ef if it stays, if it doesn't and turns into singlefleet then it would not necessarily have to have nsp.

i understand that the differences between nsp and ef lgw working conditions are such that the present agreement which ef lgw are working under is incompatible with long haul operations, (i may be wrong), if this is the case then ba would have to hammer out a new, single fleet agreement for rostering and as this would include many people on lgw ww or even lhr ww the crew involved would certainly want the best deal.

looking at things from a business perspective i think it would be necessary for singlefleet to come under nsp or under a brand new agreement, as it has prooved extremely difficult for other operators operating more than one type of contract to continue it's efficient use when crew's are on the same a/c but different contracts. this isn't to say it can't be done, it's just not very good.

however if all has been signed off and i'm wrong i'll just shut my mouth.

any info would be good now!!

p.s. at lgw would it be better to live in horley or crawley? as i believe ba work out of the north terminal. is this correct?

xx

BF

Im probably being stupid but please can you clear up. I understood the onefleet would mean no more EF out of LGW, will there still be both then?

Banewboi, crawley is closer as you will prob still be parked in the x car park (south terminal) but not huge amount of diff.

i won't be driving, i'll be relying on public ttransport and taxis etc, so if one is closer to the report room then that's where i need to be.

singlefleet will be a ww ef mix so the way i have understood crewing levels and flights people will have half and half ww and ef on their rosters.(ish)

Well all it has been signed and the Singlefleet up and running 1st Oct, 2006 and will be in NSP (this is getting discussed with both unions)

Banewboi I used to live in Horley as I didn't have a car and lived there for 3 years. I could walk to the south terminal in 15 minutes. Then used to catch the transfer train between the 2 terminals and it used to take me the same time as when I got a car and had to park in X car park, then wait for the bus!!

My ex-housemates have a double room available, £270 per month plus bills. If you are interested, give them a call on 01293-771984. Their are both boys.

WLITS the purser promotion procedure has changed, you now need 1year with BA and at least 1 with another airline, or 2 years with BA. It will be interesting to see what happens!!!

Yellowdog I agree with you 100%!!

FBW:)

Thanks for the clear up guys.
Looks like gatwick might be a pretty good place to be in the near future. A great combo of all types of flying.
Can't wait t0 meet you all, and thanks for keeping us informed.

Mixed Flying
 

Everyone,

Understand that an announcement was made today, although haven't seen it personally.

Not at work til Sunday, so does anyone have details on the "details" as CC89 and BA intranet have no info on them.

lovetoflyxxx when are you starting? it's a great base so you will have a great time.:ok:

ok so singlefleet is coming in? and nsp control?

which is still being discussed?

anyone care to share the details of the announcement?

fbw? wlits?

thanks for the number will call later on.

is it correct that ba use the north terminal at lgw? or do they use both? or even just south?

finally does anyone know where training is at lgw?

ta!! x x

Yellowdog,
My course is on 03/04. Havn't yet got the work pack or ne thing so will be a bit of a rush with uniform etc. Handed in my notice at my job last week so better bloody well pass the training course now!!!!!

Banewbio, I was told on here that our training would be in a hanger at gatwick and that SEP was at Heathrow. That we would be put up in a hotel at H.Row whilst up there and bused back when it was our days off.

Sounds pretty good going to me. Im impressed with BA from the start!!!!!!

so definatly NSP or not? I know thats a bit of a contentious issue with many at the mo as obv those with high seniority dont want to loose it and those at the top of the transfer list to LHR wanna go before 2 years, but then there are those who want it too!

Anyone got the real news then?

From what I have heard from friends at work today the notice simply says that the unions and the company have agreed on all the points for single fleet and the start date is still expected to be October 2006. I assume there will be a more indepth announcement soon.

As for training at LGW, it is held at Hangar 6 on the perimiter road. You will get details of how to find it in your start pack. There is a small canteen at hangar 6, you may want to bring your own food. Sometimes the queues are long and it's meant to be primarily for our engineers etc, I used to feel sorry for making the guys wait so long sometimes!