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i wondered if any ba crew could give me any details about
working euro fleet at lgw.
sorry if this has been asked before
what a/c type
could you commute
is it night stops all the time
do you do many standbys
if not lgw are they taking on at lhr
thanks in advance for any info
merry xmas to all...
working euro fleet at lgw.
sorry if this has been asked before
what a/c type
could you commute
is it night stops all the time
do you do many standbys
if not lgw are they taking on at lhr
thanks in advance for any info
merry xmas to all...
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what a/c type
Boeing 737s. Series -300, -400 and - 500. I believe they are still using one Airbus A319 down there for some routes and the number of these at Gatwick is set to increase.
could you commute
Yeah. A nice chap on EF LGW lives in and commutes from Amsterdam. Says it works out just fine.
is it night stops all the time
For the most part, yes. There are a few night stops available but these are mainly the domestics. I do understand there to be a small number of Euro overnighters available though.
if not lgw are they taking on at lhr
Not any more, AFAIK. Even internal recruitment is now limited to Euro Gatwick.
Boeing 737s. Series -300, -400 and - 500. I believe they are still using one Airbus A319 down there for some routes and the number of these at Gatwick is set to increase.
could you commute
Yeah. A nice chap on EF LGW lives in and commutes from Amsterdam. Says it works out just fine.
is it night stops all the time
For the most part, yes. There are a few night stops available but these are mainly the domestics. I do understand there to be a small number of Euro overnighters available though.
if not lgw are they taking on at lhr
Not any more, AFAIK. Even internal recruitment is now limited to Euro Gatwick.
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Their is alot of crew commute who are still Fulltime. Regarding the Aircraft not sure what is happening with the sole Airbus as it is crewed by a Volunteer list , however with the changes at LGW on the Horizion mainly you will be operating on the 777 / 737.
Crew bid for the work and you can chosse to do trips, their and backs and you will get standbys as well which can be alot but very rarely for main crew. Nightstops at the moment are :
ABZ, GLA, EDI, NCL, MAN, JER, AMS, TLS, MRS, GVA, BLQ, HAJ, MUC ,
However HAJ and MUC will no longer be served from March, 2006, but when your on 777 you will be doing the following as well as shorthaul :
ANU, MCO, TPA, DFW, IAH, ATL, BDA, BGI, KIN,
Hope that helps.
Crew bid for the work and you can chosse to do trips, their and backs and you will get standbys as well which can be alot but very rarely for main crew. Nightstops at the moment are :
ABZ, GLA, EDI, NCL, MAN, JER, AMS, TLS, MRS, GVA, BLQ, HAJ, MUC ,
However HAJ and MUC will no longer be served from March, 2006, but when your on 777 you will be doing the following as well as shorthaul :
ANU, MCO, TPA, DFW, IAH, ATL, BDA, BGI, KIN,
Hope that helps.
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Hello everyone
I was wondering if someone could advise me if it's better for me to apply for LHR, even tough it is only for 6 months. What happens then? Is there any chance I could get a full time contract after that or is it just thank you and nice doing business with you???
Thank you so much up front for any particular info on this.
And of course...
Merry merry merry christmas and a very successful new year to everyone.
LUX
I was wondering if someone could advise me if it's better for me to apply for LHR, even tough it is only for 6 months. What happens then? Is there any chance I could get a full time contract after that or is it just thank you and nice doing business with you???
Thank you so much up front for any particular info on this.
And of course...
Merry merry merry christmas and a very successful new year to everyone.
LUX
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Flyer55, I thought that Eurofleet only do shortaul. You meant if we make a qualification on 777 we can work on longhaul?
Can we commute from the beginning of the contract or do we have to wait 6 months to get flying allowances like in other London based companies?
Thanks
Can we commute from the beginning of the contract or do we have to wait 6 months to get flying allowances like in other London based companies?
Thanks
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Been EF LHR for some time. When they recruited me, I mentioned LGW as preferential base, then was offered EF LHR as they had no training course for LGW in the immediate future. I accepted and still believe I did the right thing. It doesn't really matter which base you apply for as you can always change your mind when they offer you a training course. Don't let that put you down or delay your application.
Nothing wrong with EF LGW except the hard working hours (loads of doubles and not many nightstops). It is a much smaller base and you may fly very often with the same (great) people, however there are very serious talks involving unions and management: the LGW base will be turned into a mid-fleet one (possibly next year) because keeping separate fleets is not profitable.
Only downside: the money is not as much as LHR.
Last time I spoke to a BASSA rep, I understood WW LGW crew would be offered to return to LHR (as we are under the same agreement) or to stay in LGW under a different agreement (package yet to be specified £££).
On another note, several 'juniors' based in LHR have either volunteered to work temporarily in WW LGW but they will most likely return to LHR when the mid-fleet agreement takes place.
Those who joined EF LHR, then were told at the end of the training course that they would work in WW LGW instead, are on a SECONDMENT, which means they will return to EF LHR after SIX MONTHS operating away from base.
A PERMANENT transfer to WW LHR only takes place if you are currently working under the WW LGW or EF LHR agreement. The list opened last in october 2005 and calls are currently being made by seniority. People who joined before/in January 2004 are the ones being called at the moment. The decision to transfer (or not) has to be made within 48 hours from the call/crewlink message. I am not quite sure if at this stage it is still possible to transfer to WW LGW permanently.
A direct transfer from EF LGW to WW LGW or WW LHR is not possible. EF LGW crew have to transfer to EF LHR first, then put their name on the transfer list stated above. EF LGW lose their seniority when they transfer to EF LHR. Unfair? Absolutely but there you go!
You figure it out...
fj
Sorry, forgot to mention:
ID90 tickets for yourself and partner/spouse and ID80 for direct family + OneWorld tickets are ONLY available after 6 months service.
During those initial 6 months, you are entitled to purchase HOTLINE tickets (30-40% discount) before they go on sale on public BA site. It is a little more difficult as they are confirmed and not refundable, therefore you need to pick a flight and be there in time or you lose your seat/money!
Commuting is possible from any fleet and any base, as you have the possibility to bid for days off on short-haul and you will have 2-3 days off minimum after long-haul flights.
Ticketing machines for ID80/ID90 tickets are available in several locations and are easy to use. Open tickets are the best way to travel on short-haul: you print a few and use them whenever you want (within a year). They can be used on other airlines as well, yet some companies are a little fussy (Iberia for example). BMI and Virgin accept our standby tickets at face value.
Hope it helps.
fj
Nothing wrong with EF LGW except the hard working hours (loads of doubles and not many nightstops). It is a much smaller base and you may fly very often with the same (great) people, however there are very serious talks involving unions and management: the LGW base will be turned into a mid-fleet one (possibly next year) because keeping separate fleets is not profitable.
Only downside: the money is not as much as LHR.
Last time I spoke to a BASSA rep, I understood WW LGW crew would be offered to return to LHR (as we are under the same agreement) or to stay in LGW under a different agreement (package yet to be specified £££).
On another note, several 'juniors' based in LHR have either volunteered to work temporarily in WW LGW but they will most likely return to LHR when the mid-fleet agreement takes place.
Those who joined EF LHR, then were told at the end of the training course that they would work in WW LGW instead, are on a SECONDMENT, which means they will return to EF LHR after SIX MONTHS operating away from base.
A PERMANENT transfer to WW LHR only takes place if you are currently working under the WW LGW or EF LHR agreement. The list opened last in october 2005 and calls are currently being made by seniority. People who joined before/in January 2004 are the ones being called at the moment. The decision to transfer (or not) has to be made within 48 hours from the call/crewlink message. I am not quite sure if at this stage it is still possible to transfer to WW LGW permanently.
A direct transfer from EF LGW to WW LGW or WW LHR is not possible. EF LGW crew have to transfer to EF LHR first, then put their name on the transfer list stated above. EF LGW lose their seniority when they transfer to EF LHR. Unfair? Absolutely but there you go!
You figure it out...
fj
Sorry, forgot to mention:
ID90 tickets for yourself and partner/spouse and ID80 for direct family + OneWorld tickets are ONLY available after 6 months service.
During those initial 6 months, you are entitled to purchase HOTLINE tickets (30-40% discount) before they go on sale on public BA site. It is a little more difficult as they are confirmed and not refundable, therefore you need to pick a flight and be there in time or you lose your seat/money!
Commuting is possible from any fleet and any base, as you have the possibility to bid for days off on short-haul and you will have 2-3 days off minimum after long-haul flights.
Ticketing machines for ID80/ID90 tickets are available in several locations and are easy to use. Open tickets are the best way to travel on short-haul: you print a few and use them whenever you want (within a year). They can be used on other airlines as well, yet some companies are a little fussy (Iberia for example). BMI and Virgin accept our standby tickets at face value.
Hope it helps.
fj
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Hey Rico, without bogging you down with the complex organisation, if you join EF LGW chances are you WILL be flying on the 777 within the next twelve months.
Now for the science bit lol: Although EF LGW forms part of 'mainline' they do not form part of the BA Cabin Crew National Sectional Panel ('NSP'). What this basically means is that the LGW EF crews work to completelly different Terms & Conditions than EF LHR/MAN & GLA and WW LGW/LHR. Things that BASSA have negotiated for EF LHR such as meal allowences, minimum turnaround times and much more do not apply to the EF LGW crews.
Perhaps most importantly though, EF LGW not being part of the 'NSP' means that they cannot transfer anywhere else within the BA network. For example, if you are EF LHR you can put your name on the 'transfer list' for any other NSP base or fleet. So someone joining EF LHR can transfer directly to WW LHR or someone joining WW LGW could transfer to say EF MAN. There IS a 'gentlemens agreement' between BA and the unions which allow a certain number of EF LGW crews to transfer to EF LHR, but that is it.
What BA is aiming to do (to cut costs) is to 'merge' the 9 WW LGW routes into EF LGW and relocate the exisiting WW LGW NSP crew into LHR. Therefore, EF LGW crews would also operate the 777 longhaul flights as well as the exisiting shorthaul ones. Albeit, the longhaul flights will be operated under 'new' terms & conditions and payments (ie less) than the current WW LGW NSP crew.
Now if that has absolutely confused and exhausted you, then you will be all set for a life in BA! Lol
Now for the science bit lol: Although EF LGW forms part of 'mainline' they do not form part of the BA Cabin Crew National Sectional Panel ('NSP'). What this basically means is that the LGW EF crews work to completelly different Terms & Conditions than EF LHR/MAN & GLA and WW LGW/LHR. Things that BASSA have negotiated for EF LHR such as meal allowences, minimum turnaround times and much more do not apply to the EF LGW crews.
Perhaps most importantly though, EF LGW not being part of the 'NSP' means that they cannot transfer anywhere else within the BA network. For example, if you are EF LHR you can put your name on the 'transfer list' for any other NSP base or fleet. So someone joining EF LHR can transfer directly to WW LHR or someone joining WW LGW could transfer to say EF MAN. There IS a 'gentlemens agreement' between BA and the unions which allow a certain number of EF LGW crews to transfer to EF LHR, but that is it.
What BA is aiming to do (to cut costs) is to 'merge' the 9 WW LGW routes into EF LGW and relocate the exisiting WW LGW NSP crew into LHR. Therefore, EF LGW crews would also operate the 777 longhaul flights as well as the exisiting shorthaul ones. Albeit, the longhaul flights will be operated under 'new' terms & conditions and payments (ie less) than the current WW LGW NSP crew.
Now if that has absolutely confused and exhausted you, then you will be all set for a life in BA! Lol
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Nothing wrong with EF LGW except the hard working hours (loads of doubles and not many nightstops). It is a much smaller base and you may fly very often with the same (great) people
What you say is almost correct. But not totally.
We can only do 2 doubles in 15 days and as many people move to EF LHR after a while, your seniority will go up and if you stick around you get your rewards.
I bid for our trips and I get (mostly) what I want now.
Of course I do my doubles like anybody else does but I get all the trips that suit my life-style.
We are a (relatively) small base and some days you fly with "friends" but there are days when you check-in and you think "am I in the wrong building??"
Money........yes LGW money isn't as good as LHR and we definitely work for it.
We have many more nightstops than there&backs during this winter's operation (numbers from Carmen) so if you bid correctly you can get as many as you like if that's what you're looking for.
What Willie is doing with this 6 months temporary contracts nobody knows. Bassa won't get involved - what's the point there are far more important issues to deal with - I just hope that BA won't go down the road of most charter airlines. I can smell disasters ahead!!!
In a nutshell: if you can risk, go to LHR. If you don't want to risk, go to LGW. You'll be able to join the transfer list straight away and possibly move to LHR within 2-3 years if that is what you're after.
Good luck!!!
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I've applied for LGW...would love to have applied for LHR but the 6 month contract put me off and I don't think you can apply for both. Does anyone know what happens after you do your 6 months? No hope of transfering or being kept on?
Why have they stopped LHR recuitment then?
Cheers!
Why have they stopped LHR recuitment then?
Cheers!
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katie..
Katie.
LHR is the most popular and bound to be more people applying for it.I would expect you would get kept on after 6 months.,Quizz a few people who have permanent contracts. Theres just lots of changes at LHR at the mo.
good luck!!
LHR is the most popular and bound to be more people applying for it.I would expect you would get kept on after 6 months.,Quizz a few people who have permanent contracts. Theres just lots of changes at LHR at the mo.
good luck!!
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Re: ba euro fleet lgw
Dear all,
Been reading the very interesting thread and I thought that was time to shoot my questions down there!
When we look at the job opening ad on the BA recruitement website, yes the basic salary is different between LHR and LGW... But the difference seems to be not that much. I mean for those of us who are working for a low cost carrier, it's still quite interesting
. So actually, at the end of the month, is there really a big difference?! (incl. allowances etc)
DX
Been reading the very interesting thread and I thought that was time to shoot my questions down there!
When we look at the job opening ad on the BA recruitement website, yes the basic salary is different between LHR and LGW... But the difference seems to be not that much. I mean for those of us who are working for a low cost carrier, it's still quite interesting
. So actually, at the end of the month, is there really a big difference?! (incl. allowances etc)DX