Cabin Crew Is It Forgot The Real Reason We Are There!
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Cabin Crew Is It Forgot The Real Reason We Are There!
Why are crew paid the money they are paid?
Well Lets see?
1. Firstly lets ask the crew of American Airlines and United from Sept 11?
2. Lets look at the hours of work, public holidays, Christmas, New Year, and any other normal event that you want to go to but seem to be away.
3. Mmmm OH&S, I have to be strapped into a seat with a full harness while I am propelled down a runway at 300km (est) full of aviation fuel lift off the ground and climb (I hope with no problems) to 35000 to 42000 Ft.
4. I have try and deal with sometimes up to 1200 passengers in a day working anything from a 5hr day to a 18hr day or night or morning.
5. In a Emergency We have to be Fireman/Police/Ambulance all without any help at 42000ft.
6. If something major was to go wrong apart from get out of the building like most there is a good chance I will not survive.
7. An aircraft fly’s with a natural force called air that lifts the aircraft and at any time turbulence can through this object around like a ball with me standing in it.
When will people realize this and stop thinking of us as Hostess or glorified waiters! There is a element of dangour to the job and this is the reason crew are paid what they are paid. TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS
Well Lets see?
1. Firstly lets ask the crew of American Airlines and United from Sept 11?
2. Lets look at the hours of work, public holidays, Christmas, New Year, and any other normal event that you want to go to but seem to be away.
3. Mmmm OH&S, I have to be strapped into a seat with a full harness while I am propelled down a runway at 300km (est) full of aviation fuel lift off the ground and climb (I hope with no problems) to 35000 to 42000 Ft.
4. I have try and deal with sometimes up to 1200 passengers in a day working anything from a 5hr day to a 18hr day or night or morning.
5. In a Emergency We have to be Fireman/Police/Ambulance all without any help at 42000ft.
6. If something major was to go wrong apart from get out of the building like most there is a good chance I will not survive.
7. An aircraft fly’s with a natural force called air that lifts the aircraft and at any time turbulence can through this object around like a ball with me standing in it.
When will people realize this and stop thinking of us as Hostess or glorified waiters! There is a element of dangour to the job and this is the reason crew are paid what they are paid. TELL ME YOUR THOUGHTS
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I was surprised when I found out how low CC wages are. "When will people realize this and stop thinking of us as Hostess or glorified waiters!"- not everybody does.......
The risks that you outline are the same ones that everybody onboard takes, including the slf like me, if the crew are happy then I don't worry. This is definately a vocational job that people do for reasons other than the money, you're either having a bad day or are in the wrong job. Remember the reasons you worked so hard to be CC - they're still valid.......
The risks that you outline are the same ones that everybody onboard takes, including the slf like me, if the crew are happy then I don't worry. This is definately a vocational job that people do for reasons other than the money, you're either having a bad day or are in the wrong job. Remember the reasons you worked so hard to be CC - they're still valid.......
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Tony I am not saying i hate my job I love my job and I am not having a bad day or need to get out as you stated. I joined to be the best crew member and do a great job. (Do you fly?) You have it all wrong look at companies like Jetconnect 23000 a year! and yes you are right that everyone want to do this job. I have been with Qf for 14 years you. You ask someone what a flight attendant does and lets see what they say? I taught Ep's for 6 years this side of crew is never shown (of couse for obvious reasons). Do you work for qantas?
Passengers may flyer a few to many times a year but no where the same as pilots and crew. Sorry for be stupid but what is slf?
Passengers may flyer a few to many times a year but no where the same as pilots and crew. Sorry for be stupid but what is slf?
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At the end of day we are there to do a job but unfortunately due to the high demand of people wanting to be Cabin Crew these days companies (mine springs to mind) pay peanuts as they can afford to use and abuse crew to their limits cause they know there are hundreds out there waiting to do the job....and basically when you pay peanuts you get monkeys and thats when things really start to go wrong.......
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guys,slightly going of the subject but its the same in all departments in an airline nowdays..there are so many people out there who want to work for an airline that in 2003 we have to put up with pay freezes and the like..no other industry would put up with it...pax are getting worse these days and more volitile by the day.they want to pay as little as possible for the service but demand everything when delays and cancellations come into effect.they think that they can threaten you just by looking at your name badge if i had a quid for every time ive heard im not happy and ill never fly XX again id be very rich
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Hi Marc, Sorry if my post seemed at odds with what you're trying to say - not my intention at all. I'm a passenger, I run an audio visual company, I have no connections with aviation apart from a quiet fascination with this almost alternative lifestyle. Years ago I worked for a cable tv company as a retention officer, my job was to contact and deal with the customers who wanted out and to try to fix their problems one way or another. One lesson I learnt is that there are some real dumb, stupid and selfish people out there and money is no barrier either - My point is that anyone who thinks CC are glorified waiters/waitresses is too ignorant and stupid to heed, there is nothing you can do to educate these people, because they're generally the loudest, they seem the majority-they're not by a long chalk. I think most slf regard CC as responsible professionals with an enviable lifestyle. Please ignore the assholes ie; some passengers and management and enjoy the special job you've obviously worked hard to get. Again no offence intended.
Glynne - unfortunately, everything you say is true..........
Glynne - unfortunately, everything you say is true..........
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Hey there Gash Bag Airways
Well I work for Gash Bag Airways too. . You are right about the monkeys they take on. And its not just cabin crew monkeys!!!! The office monkeys maybe!!!
Anyway.....(feel alot better now I have got the GASH out of me).
MARC AIR. What you say to me is too true.
My first priority is safety and cabin service comes next. I am there to help the SLFs out what ever the emergency ( non life threatening or catastrophic ).
I understand we are there to give a service and SLF`s pay are wages. But I am paid to save the person having a stroke or fighting an in-flight fire, more than I am to give out a G&T, be a nanny to someones kids (because they wouldnt pay for a seat for there own nanny!!! and give out nasty hot meals ( chicken tarragon,beef with mustard and lamb and mint...ohh my...I feel sick just thinking about them slopping around and getting horrilble gravy down my trouser leg and all over the galley!!!!)... I could go on but I wont.
Tony Flynn. Thank you for your comments. It nice to know that maybe some people out there understand what we do. I wish you would fly Gash Bag Airways . It would be nice to see more people like you these days....
Anyway.....(feel alot better now I have got the GASH out of me).
MARC AIR. What you say to me is too true.
My first priority is safety and cabin service comes next. I am there to help the SLFs out what ever the emergency ( non life threatening or catastrophic ).
I understand we are there to give a service and SLF`s pay are wages. But I am paid to save the person having a stroke or fighting an in-flight fire, more than I am to give out a G&T, be a nanny to someones kids (because they wouldnt pay for a seat for there own nanny!!! and give out nasty hot meals ( chicken tarragon,beef with mustard and lamb and mint...ohh my...I feel sick just thinking about them slopping around and getting horrilble gravy down my trouser leg and all over the galley!!!!)... I could go on but I wont.
Tony Flynn. Thank you for your comments. It nice to know that maybe some people out there understand what we do. I wish you would fly Gash Bag Airways . It would be nice to see more people like you these days....
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Um, this is probably me being dumb but which one is 'Gash Bag Airways' ?!
I'm on dl37 lgw - cvg sept 1st and ba2167 lgw - tpa oct 9th. Hope to see some of you guys then, come and say hi.
Ah, just looked at another thread, gashbag - obvious really.....
I'm on dl37 lgw - cvg sept 1st and ba2167 lgw - tpa oct 9th. Hope to see some of you guys then, come and say hi.
Ah, just looked at another thread, gashbag - obvious really.....
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' payed for thier english standards. '
er, shouldn't that be 'paid for their english standards'? or am I missing a point of irony here?
er, shouldn't that be 'paid for their english standards'? or am I missing a point of irony here?
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MarcAir, I assume no one is forcing you to be a flight attendant. I would imagine that you knew it was 24 hour shift work position when you applied. Moaning that you cant be at home for Christmas, New Years and public holidays does not wash with me.
I have to put up with garbage like that in my office ( a 24 hour shift work environment). My stock standard answer to moaners complaining about the above is that maybe they should consider if they are suitable for shift work.
Doesnt bother me what you're paid as long as its within the applicable award.
I am not taking away from the importance of your vital role as cabin crew however as the public "faces" of the airline is it too much to ask that your role can be fulfilled with a smile and happy disposition. Sadly QF flight attendants seem to have a less than perfect reputation. I say this simply from what is available to read on travel bulletin boards and websites. Personally I have not had a major problem with QF cabin crew. As an example of a small problem was the day on a SYDMEL 763 sitting in the middle block of 3, after the meal service was over and the trays being collected the passenger next to me had a lap baby so they stacked their tray on top of mine so I could pass it to the F/A who in this case was the CSM helping out. Instead of smiling and saying thank you she clicked her tongue and rolled the eyes because she had to then sort the trays out before they would slide into the cart. It just was not necessary.
Just my thoughts - not an attack on all flight attendants.
Should I now duck for cover?
I have to put up with garbage like that in my office ( a 24 hour shift work environment). My stock standard answer to moaners complaining about the above is that maybe they should consider if they are suitable for shift work.
Doesnt bother me what you're paid as long as its within the applicable award.
I am not taking away from the importance of your vital role as cabin crew however as the public "faces" of the airline is it too much to ask that your role can be fulfilled with a smile and happy disposition. Sadly QF flight attendants seem to have a less than perfect reputation. I say this simply from what is available to read on travel bulletin boards and websites. Personally I have not had a major problem with QF cabin crew. As an example of a small problem was the day on a SYDMEL 763 sitting in the middle block of 3, after the meal service was over and the trays being collected the passenger next to me had a lap baby so they stacked their tray on top of mine so I could pass it to the F/A who in this case was the CSM helping out. Instead of smiling and saying thank you she clicked her tongue and rolled the eyes because she had to then sort the trays out before they would slide into the cart. It just was not necessary.
Just my thoughts - not an attack on all flight attendants.
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MarcAir we're paid the money we're paid because if we weren't we wouldn't be there. Market forces determine pay scales, nothing else. We may wish we were paid more, but as you correctly point out, there is a queue of applicants, and that will drive our value down: Supply and Demand.
It would be nice to be appreciated, but we are not and we won't be anytime soon. That's how it is. In my experience, the public perception of Cabin Crew is broadly as follows:
Once you know this, the rest becomes easy. You go to work and do your best, remember the nice folk on the drive home and forget about the bad folk. Spend your time off with people who know and love you until it is time to go back to work.
If you're looking for Appreciation, you'll find it in the dictionary somewhere between "Ambition" and "Arsehole" - 'twas ever thus! Sorry
It would be nice to be appreciated, but we are not and we won't be anytime soon. That's how it is. In my experience, the public perception of Cabin Crew is broadly as follows:
- The males are all gay
- The females are all sluts
- Crew are lazy and officious about safety
- Crew are paid enormous amounts of money to lie around 5 star hotel pools
- The one working on my aisle is never as attractive as the one working on the far aisle
- Who cares anyway, just fetch me the f*****g drink fast.
Once you know this, the rest becomes easy. You go to work and do your best, remember the nice folk on the drive home and forget about the bad folk. Spend your time off with people who know and love you until it is time to go back to work.
If you're looking for Appreciation, you'll find it in the dictionary somewhere between "Ambition" and "Arsehole" - 'twas ever thus! Sorry
Gib Air,aah l remember as a kid when it was called yogibair with a sole DC3 flying twice a day gibraltar to tangier. It was called yogi after some wag climbed over the perimeter fence and painted yo in front of the gibair
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Why are crew paid the money they are paid?
Well Lets see?
1. Firstly lets ask the crew of American Airlines and United from Sept 11?
2. Lets look at the hours of work, public holidays, Christmas, New Year, and any other normal event that you want to go to but seem to be away.
3. Mmmm OH&S, I have to be strapped into a seat with a full harness while I am propelled down a runway at 300km (est) full of aviation fuel lift off the ground and climb (I hope with no problems) to 35000 to 42000 Ft.
4. I have try and deal with sometimes up to 1200 passengers in a day working anything from a 5hr day to a 18hr day or night or morning.
5. In a Emergency We have to be Fireman/Police/Ambulance all without any help at 42000ft.
6. If something major was to go wrong apart from get out of the building like most there is a good chance I will not survive.
7. An aircraft fly’s with a natural force called air that lifts the aircraft and at any time turbulence can through this object around like a ball with me standing in it.
Well Lets see?
1. Firstly lets ask the crew of American Airlines and United from Sept 11?
2. Lets look at the hours of work, public holidays, Christmas, New Year, and any other normal event that you want to go to but seem to be away.
3. Mmmm OH&S, I have to be strapped into a seat with a full harness while I am propelled down a runway at 300km (est) full of aviation fuel lift off the ground and climb (I hope with no problems) to 35000 to 42000 Ft.
4. I have try and deal with sometimes up to 1200 passengers in a day working anything from a 5hr day to a 18hr day or night or morning.
5. In a Emergency We have to be Fireman/Police/Ambulance all without any help at 42000ft.
6. If something major was to go wrong apart from get out of the building like most there is a good chance I will not survive.
7. An aircraft fly’s with a natural force called air that lifts the aircraft and at any time turbulence can through this object around like a ball with me standing in it.
2. like lots of other workers - nothing special
3. like the passengers
4. like a railway station worker
5. granted
6. like the passengers
7. like the passengers
Not saying you don't deserve to be paid of course! Just that your arguments are very very very weak.
