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EAL, I hope management do read the site, if views could be expressed without fear of reprisals and people would listen with an open mind then this forum would not have gone on so long.
For some, the furore created earlier has paid off. Others have left, which doesn't help. Those who encourage people to leave certainly don't help. People will put up with a lot of **** when with a crew they like, but bias and thoughtlessness from above or other sections does not unite, it only divides.
( remarks about rosters don't help ?? ). There's a lot of good people come into this airline, many are not rewarded fairly for their ability or even acknowledged they have it.
For some, the furore created earlier has paid off. Others have left, which doesn't help. Those who encourage people to leave certainly don't help. People will put up with a lot of **** when with a crew they like, but bias and thoughtlessness from above or other sections does not unite, it only divides.
( remarks about rosters don't help ?? ). There's a lot of good people come into this airline, many are not rewarded fairly for their ability or even acknowledged they have it.
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Hi guys,
Not been with European to long but decided, what the hell, I would let you all know what I think about my new employer. So far things have been a little disorganised, but in fairness to the airline, they did tell me it was gonna be like that, they have made a massive leap from 737 to 747 operation, and in a very short time too.
Promotion has been a big bone of contention for a lot of people, some being told that they did not recruit direct entry, others being recruited in Purser or IFD roles, and I cannot really see how they decided who to promote, lots of people with experience, some even on B747 but its not always them getting the jobs!
But so far, everyone I have met has been really nice, the airline has a nice, relaxed feel about it, and the "old" EAAC crew have been friendly, and not at all guarded about who they will or will not talk to.Their is a lot of moaning going on, and yes the wages are pretty poor, but they have not changed since the interview. I have been working a lot, and so far although a little unorganised, good fun on the whole, the hotels down route are good, better than I have stayed in, and I worked for a big u.k airline before this.
People are friendly, everyone approachable, never worked for an airline where you get base managers and trainers mobile phone numbers before, and they do answer them when you call with no attitude or temper. Airline paid for all of my jabs, gave me a daily food allowance while training, and put me up in a hotel for the course, even over the weekends!!!!! Not bad if you ask me.
I know we all come to work to earn money, but I think so far, they have kept their word, pay is what they said it was, people are cool, apart from the one or two who don't wanna be there. a/c not bad, service o.k better than some, my only gripe, and their had to be one, is that some crew still do not have a uniform, which I think looks a little cheap, and unprofessional. But again, not the airlines fault, down to the company that provide them. so yes o.k. their are some thinks that could do with improving, but dare I say it, Iam enjoying my time with them, and think they have a good future, just got to weather this storm, and all will be good if you ask me. Its not your average Airline, but some of us don't want same routes, same passengers, same crap, at least with ad-hoc you get the chance to see places you never normally would. And lastly, I don't think that she ( meaning grim, as some people are calling her ) is that bad, pretty cool considering what she is doing at the moment, my god, you should have met the load of w**kers at my last airline!!! she is like a pussy cat compared to them.
I just hope those that are not enjoying it, leave, and soon, because its not fair on those that are enjoying it, and could lower an already pretty low crew moral. And thats not fair, nobody wants to work in that environment, just make the best of it, and either leave, or learn to love it. But hay, whats that age old saying, same crap different uniform!!!
Happy flying guys.
Whatever floats ya boat.
Not been with European to long but decided, what the hell, I would let you all know what I think about my new employer. So far things have been a little disorganised, but in fairness to the airline, they did tell me it was gonna be like that, they have made a massive leap from 737 to 747 operation, and in a very short time too.
Promotion has been a big bone of contention for a lot of people, some being told that they did not recruit direct entry, others being recruited in Purser or IFD roles, and I cannot really see how they decided who to promote, lots of people with experience, some even on B747 but its not always them getting the jobs!
But so far, everyone I have met has been really nice, the airline has a nice, relaxed feel about it, and the "old" EAAC crew have been friendly, and not at all guarded about who they will or will not talk to.Their is a lot of moaning going on, and yes the wages are pretty poor, but they have not changed since the interview. I have been working a lot, and so far although a little unorganised, good fun on the whole, the hotels down route are good, better than I have stayed in, and I worked for a big u.k airline before this.
People are friendly, everyone approachable, never worked for an airline where you get base managers and trainers mobile phone numbers before, and they do answer them when you call with no attitude or temper. Airline paid for all of my jabs, gave me a daily food allowance while training, and put me up in a hotel for the course, even over the weekends!!!!! Not bad if you ask me.
I know we all come to work to earn money, but I think so far, they have kept their word, pay is what they said it was, people are cool, apart from the one or two who don't wanna be there. a/c not bad, service o.k better than some, my only gripe, and their had to be one, is that some crew still do not have a uniform, which I think looks a little cheap, and unprofessional. But again, not the airlines fault, down to the company that provide them. so yes o.k. their are some thinks that could do with improving, but dare I say it, Iam enjoying my time with them, and think they have a good future, just got to weather this storm, and all will be good if you ask me. Its not your average Airline, but some of us don't want same routes, same passengers, same crap, at least with ad-hoc you get the chance to see places you never normally would. And lastly, I don't think that she ( meaning grim, as some people are calling her ) is that bad, pretty cool considering what she is doing at the moment, my god, you should have met the load of w**kers at my last airline!!! she is like a pussy cat compared to them.
I just hope those that are not enjoying it, leave, and soon, because its not fair on those that are enjoying it, and could lower an already pretty low crew moral. And thats not fair, nobody wants to work in that environment, just make the best of it, and either leave, or learn to love it. But hay, whats that age old saying, same crap different uniform!!!
Happy flying guys.
Whatever floats ya boat.
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Hello Boys and Girls and fellow citizens or Wibble,
Well said Skyboy, I must give you a big HERE HERE on your posting. It does seem like most people are against European and it makes a refreshing change to see some people being positive about the company. lets keep it up.
I had my interview recently and as you say they are all very nice people down there. I have a good impression and a good feeling about the place so we shall see what happens.
Look forward to meeting you, Driver Jake, Geordie Crawley, BD and all the other positive people down there.
The sad little losers out there, why don't you stop whining and grow up. if you have a gripe with the company why don't you join a union or talk to the person/s concerned at Bournemouth rather than the ppruner's.
Well said Skyboy, I must give you a big HERE HERE on your posting. It does seem like most people are against European and it makes a refreshing change to see some people being positive about the company. lets keep it up.
I had my interview recently and as you say they are all very nice people down there. I have a good impression and a good feeling about the place so we shall see what happens.
Look forward to meeting you, Driver Jake, Geordie Crawley, BD and all the other positive people down there.
The sad little losers out there, why don't you stop whining and grow up. if you have a gripe with the company why don't you join a union or talk to the person/s concerned at Bournemouth rather than the ppruner's.
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I've read Skyboy1919's write up and I have to agree with all points raised. I've just got back from Orlando and have had a good trip. As always, only people who want to compare this airline with their previous one are the ones finding the airline coming up short. 
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seen a posting in the reporting points forum that maybe of interest, I'm sure it will expand rapidly over the coming weeks. along the lines of EAAC being taken to court again for discrimination.
have a look for yourselves. seems like they are having alot of luck in PPRUNE! some very positive postings.......
have a look for yourselves. seems like they are having alot of luck in PPRUNE! some very positive postings.......
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http://www.euroav.com/Pages/euroaviationhomepage.html
and they are hiring for new cabin crew.
http://www.euroav.com/Pages/vanancy.html-check out the uniforms!
and they are hiring for new cabin crew.
http://www.euroav.com/Pages/vanancy.html-check out the uniforms!
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Hello Boys and Girls and fellow citizens or Wibble,
Katie,
Thought I'd let you know that the http://www.euroav.com/pages/euroaviationhomepage.html as well as the other link you put is still out of date and hasn't been updated for at least 8 months as there is no mention of the Boeing 747 arrivals and they still talk about the BAC 1-11's on there as well, (the BAC 1-11 fleet has been grounded for some time due to the noise and poloution levels exceed the CAA specified requirements). The website eaac.co.uk is also out of date for the same reasons as above.
The uniforms that are shown on the website are the old uniforms and except for a very small number of crew who are waiting on the new uniforms you dont see the old one anymore.
MzGuilty,
As long as you go with a good positive mind and prepare for the unexpected then you will enjoy yourself. It is the friendliest airline that I have come across and all the crews I have flown with have been excellent, (exept the odd one that you get everywhere). It is a good and fun airline that has a good feel about it.
Katie,
Thought I'd let you know that the http://www.euroav.com/pages/euroaviationhomepage.html as well as the other link you put is still out of date and hasn't been updated for at least 8 months as there is no mention of the Boeing 747 arrivals and they still talk about the BAC 1-11's on there as well, (the BAC 1-11 fleet has been grounded for some time due to the noise and poloution levels exceed the CAA specified requirements). The website eaac.co.uk is also out of date for the same reasons as above.
The uniforms that are shown on the website are the old uniforms and except for a very small number of crew who are waiting on the new uniforms you dont see the old one anymore.
MzGuilty,
As long as you go with a good positive mind and prepare for the unexpected then you will enjoy yourself. It is the friendliest airline that I have come across and all the crews I have flown with have been excellent, (exept the odd one that you get everywhere). It is a good and fun airline that has a good feel about it.
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Have a look a the 747's on http://www.airliners.net
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Hello.
I currently work in Manual ops (yes i am the sad git who sits in the office in the sim centre updating jep manuals all day).
I work next to the training rooms for the cabin crew, and have spoken to a few of the trainees who are now online and they all seem to be perfectly happy.
European is a good job if you are just starting in aviation as it gives you a good knowledge of different countrys and routes. Plus its not really a BOH-AGP(malaga)-BOH (unless you are palmair) you can go from bournemouth to places such as in the EEU - southern africa - jersey - spain.
And for the 747's its normally western coutrys such as florida and canada (at the mo).
I have been with EAC for 4 months now and i love it.
Advise to anyone looking to work for EAC, go for it, and dont listen to some of the people on here.
I currently work in Manual ops (yes i am the sad git who sits in the office in the sim centre updating jep manuals all day).
I work next to the training rooms for the cabin crew, and have spoken to a few of the trainees who are now online and they all seem to be perfectly happy.
European is a good job if you are just starting in aviation as it gives you a good knowledge of different countrys and routes. Plus its not really a BOH-AGP(malaga)-BOH (unless you are palmair) you can go from bournemouth to places such as in the EEU - southern africa - jersey - spain.
And for the 747's its normally western coutrys such as florida and canada (at the mo).
I have been with EAC for 4 months now and i love it.
Advise to anyone looking to work for EAC, go for it, and dont listen to some of the people on here.
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I'VE HEARD THAT THESE KIND OF THINGS HAVE HAPPENED BEFORE.
I DON'T WANT TO START BITCHING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT....BUT I HAVE HEARD THAT SOME CREW HAVE HAD TO DRIVE FROM MAN-LGW AFTER A LONGHAUL FLIGHT.
I MEAN...YOU HAVE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT...ON YOUR FEET...U FEEL LIKE A ZOMBIE AFTER LONG HAUL AND THEN EXPECTED TO DRIVE URSELF BACK TO BASE. "ITS DANGEROUS" TO DO THAT KIND OF DRIVE AFTER SUCH A LONG FLIGHT.
DOES THE COMPANY NOT PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION AFTER SUCH A FLIGHT BACK TO BASE....AT LEAST U CAN SLEEP OR SOMETHING ON THE 4HR+ JOURNEY.
CAN SOMEONE CONFIRM FOR ME IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT.
HOW DOES THIS COUNT TOWARDS UR HOURS....R U EVEN STILL ON DUTY...I DON'T KNOW.
HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP.
MANY THX
TJ747
I DON'T WANT TO START BITCHING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT....BUT I HAVE HEARD THAT SOME CREW HAVE HAD TO DRIVE FROM MAN-LGW AFTER A LONGHAUL FLIGHT.
I MEAN...YOU HAVE BEEN UP ALL NIGHT...ON YOUR FEET...U FEEL LIKE A ZOMBIE AFTER LONG HAUL AND THEN EXPECTED TO DRIVE URSELF BACK TO BASE. "ITS DANGEROUS" TO DO THAT KIND OF DRIVE AFTER SUCH A LONG FLIGHT.
DOES THE COMPANY NOT PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION AFTER SUCH A FLIGHT BACK TO BASE....AT LEAST U CAN SLEEP OR SOMETHING ON THE 4HR+ JOURNEY.
CAN SOMEONE CONFIRM FOR ME IF THIS IS TRUE OR NOT.
HOW DOES THIS COUNT TOWARDS UR HOURS....R U EVEN STILL ON DUTY...I DON'T KNOW.
HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP.
MANY THX
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Questions
To answer some of the questions from the last few posts:
One of the (few?) things this company does well is to look after transport needs after a long-haul flight. People are NOT expected to drive from (eg) MAN-LGW after a long duty. If someone returns to a base other than their own, either hotac is provided, or a taxi to their base. There will be (and are) cock-ups (eg taxi provided when you have asked for hotac, or vice-versa) but these can usually be sorted-out amicably. Positioning after a flight still counts as duty as is paid as duty.
Communications are often very poor, both within the Ops/Crewing office, and from that office to crews elsewhere. This does result in some huge gaffes - the story about the crew driving from MAN and being turned-back half-way is typical. It happens, and is very frustrating, but it is not happening all the time.
Cheshire Cat - you are doing a great job! I would not want your job for all the beer in England, but we really do appreciate you!!
The crews at EAAC are excellent. There are some superb people there on the flight-deck and in the cabin. They might not earn a lot of money but they sure know how to go out and spend it! The average age is older than most UK airlines (except BA!), but there is a very broad background and socially it is a very good company to work for. From a passengers point of view, the crew are easily as good as anywhere else, and probably more experienced than is the average.
EAAC has roughly quadrupled in size in the last 6 months. They have gone from a small outfit flying 1-11s around Europe, to a company operating 5 747s worldwide (as well as 737s). This has not been without problems. Ops and Crewing are understaffed and lack experience of long-haul. The traditional 'European way' of getting things done is not working for long-haul, but there are experienced people making sensible inputs, and things will improve slowly.
EAAC will not be everybody’s cup-of-tea – I don’t yet know if it is mine. If you enjoy a challenge and are prepared to be flexible, it could be a lot of fun!
One of the (few?) things this company does well is to look after transport needs after a long-haul flight. People are NOT expected to drive from (eg) MAN-LGW after a long duty. If someone returns to a base other than their own, either hotac is provided, or a taxi to their base. There will be (and are) cock-ups (eg taxi provided when you have asked for hotac, or vice-versa) but these can usually be sorted-out amicably. Positioning after a flight still counts as duty as is paid as duty.
Communications are often very poor, both within the Ops/Crewing office, and from that office to crews elsewhere. This does result in some huge gaffes - the story about the crew driving from MAN and being turned-back half-way is typical. It happens, and is very frustrating, but it is not happening all the time.
Cheshire Cat - you are doing a great job! I would not want your job for all the beer in England, but we really do appreciate you!!
The crews at EAAC are excellent. There are some superb people there on the flight-deck and in the cabin. They might not earn a lot of money but they sure know how to go out and spend it! The average age is older than most UK airlines (except BA!), but there is a very broad background and socially it is a very good company to work for. From a passengers point of view, the crew are easily as good as anywhere else, and probably more experienced than is the average.
EAAC has roughly quadrupled in size in the last 6 months. They have gone from a small outfit flying 1-11s around Europe, to a company operating 5 747s worldwide (as well as 737s). This has not been without problems. Ops and Crewing are understaffed and lack experience of long-haul. The traditional 'European way' of getting things done is not working for long-haul, but there are experienced people making sensible inputs, and things will improve slowly.
EAAC will not be everybody’s cup-of-tea – I don’t yet know if it is mine. If you enjoy a challenge and are prepared to be flexible, it could be a lot of fun!
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I always thought they were quite a high-class, exlusive airline... if you look through holiday brochures you'll find its difficult to get a flight with EAF.
They fly to lesser known european destinations such as Calvi, Bastia, Chania etc as well as Mahon, Faro and Alicante.
Don't they do pilgimages to Lourdes, also???
They use their 737-200's for this European work.
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They fly to lesser known european destinations such as Calvi, Bastia, Chania etc as well as Mahon, Faro and Alicante.
Don't they do pilgimages to Lourdes, also???
They use their 737-200's for this European work.
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Thanks RIAB, C**l and I are working really hard to get it all correct. Its really nice of you to say that. Thank you.
If your ever in the Sim centre pop in our office!.
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If your ever in the Sim centre pop in our office!.
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PROMOTION
I have 16 years experience, 7 of which were on the very 747's EAAC have now. I was Purser 747 at BA on these jumbos. I was told initially I would be Purser at EAAC. When I began my course I was given a Main Crew contract. I watched other courses start after me and watched some on those courses enter the company as Pursers and IFD's.
I sat quiet-ish for a while, and nothing happenned. I am still main crew. I cannot afford to stay at this company much longer on £8,000. If nothing happens by October I will leave. Seems that if you text the right people or "kiss-ass" then you get Purser. I am not one of those people. I do things professionally, as I am sure many will find that fly with me.
The company itself is learning. I yesterday got a computerised roster. I still have no ID, I believe the incompetent mention NO NAMES, please! £6 has been relieved of arranging these.
It is purely through good will that this company operates. The old fashioned "camaradery" exists, however EAAC should not rely on this camaradery to last forever. They need to pull up their socks(as the recent CAA visit proved). I have been told that I will be promoted once the numbers are sorted out. Surely this was known earlier and it is only by "having a word" with the person in charge of promotions, that my experience has been recognised. If they wish to attract and RETAIN people, they must be prepared to pay more to Main Crew,(as half main crew were once Pursers on other airlines and feel undervalued).
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I sat quiet-ish for a while, and nothing happenned. I am still main crew. I cannot afford to stay at this company much longer on £8,000. If nothing happens by October I will leave. Seems that if you text the right people or "kiss-ass" then you get Purser. I am not one of those people. I do things professionally, as I am sure many will find that fly with me.
The company itself is learning. I yesterday got a computerised roster. I still have no ID, I believe the incompetent mention NO NAMES, please! £6 has been relieved of arranging these.
It is purely through good will that this company operates. The old fashioned "camaradery" exists, however EAAC should not rely on this camaradery to last forever. They need to pull up their socks(as the recent CAA visit proved). I have been told that I will be promoted once the numbers are sorted out. Surely this was known earlier and it is only by "having a word" with the person in charge of promotions, that my experience has been recognised. If they wish to attract and RETAIN people, they must be prepared to pay more to Main Crew,(as half main crew were once Pursers on other airlines and feel undervalued).
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New Ops Director
Those working for EAAC (or thinking of it) may be interested to know that the Operations Director has been moved sideways and replaced. This is probably the best possible news (apart from a pay rise!) that we could have.
There is now a real chance that sensible decisions can be made and the company can progress in the right direction. There are apparently a lot of happy, smiley faces at BOH today!
There is now a real chance that sensible decisions can be made and the company can progress in the right direction. There are apparently a lot of happy, smiley faces at BOH today!