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That's what I feared although how anyone can get any idea when nobody seems to have a clue which destinations, trip lengths or roster patterns are (for MF) makes it all a bit pie in the sky.
As you know duty pay is hugely significant when calculating take home pay and it's hard to see how you can make an informed choice on such vague info to date.
Anything around £1k take home will be very hard won't it?
As you know duty pay is hugely significant when calculating take home pay and it's hard to see how you can make an informed choice on such vague info to date.
Anything around £1k take home will be very hard won't it?
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Purser with EK for 9 years. Average take home 3600GBP per month based on 90-100 flying hours. On top of this we get overnight allowances of about 200-300GBP a month plus medical insurance, uniform, dry cleaning. I do not live in company provided accommodation as i am married. Not bad money for doing something i love! 
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These all look like very good pay rates for junior/main crew who are not pursers/sccms etc. And lots of crew are always moaning the money is terrible! If you worked somewhere like an office or hotel, sometimes you would be lucky to reach £1000 a month. And hotels include unsociable hours too!
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If you look at the BA jobs site, mixed fleet starting pay is 17k. So after tax you would be taking home about £1200 per month I think. And the progression route to senior looks very good.
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That 17k is what BA expect you to earn after your allowances (which of course you have to spend a lot of while away to feed yourself) The pay before allowances is just £11,500. So not a good wage in anybodies eyes I would think.
Pinkpajamas,
The first routes to go on line are Prague and St. Petersburg and Pisa this month. Later they are saying Denver and Nairobi. Then more E/F routes to go in future are Budapest, Kiev, Amsterdam and Copenhagen. For long haul later transferring routes mentioned are San Fransisco and a couple more in Africa. Speculation also that the new Japan route Haneda may go to Mixed Fleet.
Hope that helps.
That 17k is what BA expect you to earn after your allowances (which of course you have to spend a lot of while away to feed yourself) The pay before allowances is just £11,500. So not a good wage in anybodies eyes I would think.
Pinkpajamas,
The first routes to go on line are Prague and St. Petersburg and Pisa this month. Later they are saying Denver and Nairobi. Then more E/F routes to go in future are Budapest, Kiev, Amsterdam and Copenhagen. For long haul later transferring routes mentioned are San Fransisco and a couple more in Africa. Speculation also that the new Japan route Haneda may go to Mixed Fleet.
Hope that helps.
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With the average UK salary at approximately £27,000 (for the average age employee with, say 15 years 'seniority', a lot of whom will have professional qualifications), a £17000 starting salary sounds pretty good to me for a young, enthusiastic crew member with the possibility of rapid promotion. In any case, if potential candidates don't like the sound of it, they won't apply. Market forces are active here.
Have a look at
PayScale United Kingdom - United Kingdom Country Salary, Average Salaries by Years Experience
The starting salary clearly doesn't sound like much to our 'old-contract' BA crew though......... why might that be?
Have a look at
PayScale United Kingdom - United Kingdom Country Salary, Average Salaries by Years Experience
The starting salary clearly doesn't sound like much to our 'old-contract' BA crew though......... why might that be?
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That is not the starting salary. The starting is £11500. The hourly rate pushes this up £17,000 but alot of that has to be used to feed yourself while away living in a hotel. So from your own payscale chart it makes this look quite a low salary .
However as you say, many young people will like to work as cabin crew for BA. When I started flying I don't even think I looked at the pay!!
However as you say, many young people will like to work as cabin crew for BA. When I started flying I don't even think I looked at the pay!!
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Spending approximately 6 months of the year away from home has it's benefits financially......for a start you only use your car for half of the year, potentially saving £1000's on maintenance/fuel costs.
If you leave your home unattended whilst away you can save on heating costs.
Unless you go out socially less than once or twice a week at home you should spend no more by socializing on trips.....you are only in a hotel during the evenings a few times a month.
In an office environment you might have to pay for/bring your own lunch, whereas when on duty for BA it's all provided for free. When staying in a hotel you can eat your own supply of food from your suitcase, or pop down to the supermarket.......no one is under any obligation to pay room-service rates or go to top restaurants.
Room parties, where you bring your own drinks (crew purchase?) are a very cost effective way to have a drink and socialize after a flight.
You don't have to pay for your uniform in BA, but in certain companies you would have to. Some employees have to be dressed in smart attire every day of their working lives.....at their own expense.
I could go on.........
If you leave your home unattended whilst away you can save on heating costs.
Unless you go out socially less than once or twice a week at home you should spend no more by socializing on trips.....you are only in a hotel during the evenings a few times a month.
In an office environment you might have to pay for/bring your own lunch, whereas when on duty for BA it's all provided for free. When staying in a hotel you can eat your own supply of food from your suitcase, or pop down to the supermarket.......no one is under any obligation to pay room-service rates or go to top restaurants.
Room parties, where you bring your own drinks (crew purchase?) are a very cost effective way to have a drink and socialize after a flight.
You don't have to pay for your uniform in BA, but in certain companies you would have to. Some employees have to be dressed in smart attire every day of their working lives.....at their own expense.
I could go on.........
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£ 17,000 may sound like a decent salary for a first job , however ,you must remember that the basic per month will probably be around £850 and this is what you have to rely on.To this you can add on allowances but as yet we dont know what reliable level will be achievable.Allowances are taxed as well so in a month,when you take two weeks of holiday you may be taking home little more than £850 if you have only had shorthaul trips.Obviously there are many people who dream of working for BA,there will not be a shortage of candidates,however to say that there are good prospects of promotion,is IMHOP laughable as the Senior positions will always be offered to experienced crew be it from BA or other airlines.
£ 17,000 may sound like a decent salary for a first job , however ,you must remember that the basic per month will probably be around £850 and this is what you have to rely on.To this you can add on allowances but as yet we dont know what reliable level will be achievable.Allowances are taxed as well so in a month,when you take two weeks of holiday you may be taking home little more than £850 if you have only had shorthaul trips.Obviously there are many people who dream of working for BA,there will not be a shortage of candidates,however to say that there are good prospects of promotion,is IMHOP laughable as the Senior positions will always be offered to experienced crew be it from BA or other airlines.
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if you are only spending a few nights a month in hotels,where are you for the rest of the six months that you are not at home during the year, not incurring heating costs ,in never never land?Dont really think that you have got a grasp of the situation yet!!!!!!
if you are only spending a few nights a month in hotels,where are you for the rest of the six months that you are not at home during the year, not incurring heating costs ,in never never land?Dont really think that you have got a grasp of the situation yet!!!!!!
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Let's think.......
180 days work a year;
A day trip requires no hotel
A 2 day trip consists of 1 night in a hotel
A 3 day trip might consist of 1 night on an airplane, 1 night in a hotel
A 4 day trip might consist of 1 night on an airplane, 2 nights in a hotel
A 5 day trip might consist of 2 nights on an airplane, 2 nights in a hotel
A mixed fleet roster consisting of the above 5 trips would consist of 15 days work, 6 nights in a hotel, and 4 nights on an airplane.
So a crew member would have to feed themselves at their own expense, whether it's by Delsey-dining, supermarket-sweeping, or living-it-up in the top restaurants, for 6 nightstops per month. About a dozen meals during the month will be provided free of charge whilst on duty.......some of them of a very good quality (I chatted with a crew member the other day whilst she enjoyed a first class meal
)
What exactly don't I have a grasp of?
180 days work a year;
A day trip requires no hotel
A 2 day trip consists of 1 night in a hotel
A 3 day trip might consist of 1 night on an airplane, 1 night in a hotel
A 4 day trip might consist of 1 night on an airplane, 2 nights in a hotel
A 5 day trip might consist of 2 nights on an airplane, 2 nights in a hotel
A mixed fleet roster consisting of the above 5 trips would consist of 15 days work, 6 nights in a hotel, and 4 nights on an airplane.
So a crew member would have to feed themselves at their own expense, whether it's by Delsey-dining, supermarket-sweeping, or living-it-up in the top restaurants, for 6 nightstops per month. About a dozen meals during the month will be provided free of charge whilst on duty.......some of them of a very good quality (I chatted with a crew member the other day whilst she enjoyed a first class meal
)What exactly don't I have a grasp of?
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Considering nf will no longer get an overnight allowance nor will they get free breakfast downroute nor will they be able to have a major proportion of their work away from home ie longhaul routes which are going to be very limited in lenght,how do you think you are going to be able to live on the salary they get at the end of the month.Live with your parents ok but after a while you may wont to have a life.AND WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR PENSION????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????
Considering nf will no longer get an overnight allowance nor will they get free breakfast downroute nor will they be able to have a major proportion of their work away from home ie longhaul routes which are going to be very limited in lenght,how do you think you are going to be able to live on the salary they get at the end of the month.Live with your parents ok but after a while you may wont to have a life.AND WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR PENSION????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????
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I am flying with Virgin Blue in Australia and average around AU$1800-2000 per fortnight (up to approx GBP2420 per month). That's just as crew, not too sure what the cabin supervisors are earning. Last financial year I grossed GBP31625 with approx GBP9300 in tax free allowances - but I was lucky, new EBA came in so I went straight to CC5, starting salary is now much lower.
