All Aer Lingus cabin crew to be made redundant!!
You don't have to understand all the subtleties of Anglo-Saxon general theory of employment. Many a PPRuNer has noted its main points: labour costs are the biggest ones and need to be reduced, its better to have a job than to be on welfare (even if there's not much income difference between the two), unions are bad and if it weren't for them, CEOs would perform much better. Most important is that theory translates well into practice: countries that employ it are much better off in the current global turmoil.
Just compare UK and Germany
Just compare UK and Germany
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Finally - Honest
For fairness, the following must be said -
Unions are not automatically bad, there is a place for them in providing a focal help and representation point for staff, especially in manufacturing, provided that they fully understand their company operation, its marketplace and needs, they can provide new ideas to the company and work with it to the benefit of all concerned. The problem for the last XXX years is that the majority of unions have a political agenda which is their primary objective.
Working, rather than drawing unemployment benefit, is always better in providing a daily routine and interest that gives you the ability to project a good image in applying for another job - you don't stagnate.
Any CEO that cannot give a good performance because of unions needs replacing.
Labour costs are not always the biggest financial element, in manufacturing, stock, machinery, materials and facilities, can easily be the biggest element. Mind you aircraft and airport facilities don't come cheap!!.
Anyway - with best wishes for the future to all concerned and apologies for Thread creep.
Unions are not automatically bad, there is a place for them in providing a focal help and representation point for staff, especially in manufacturing, provided that they fully understand their company operation, its marketplace and needs, they can provide new ideas to the company and work with it to the benefit of all concerned. The problem for the last XXX years is that the majority of unions have a political agenda which is their primary objective.
Working, rather than drawing unemployment benefit, is always better in providing a daily routine and interest that gives you the ability to project a good image in applying for another job - you don't stagnate.
Any CEO that cannot give a good performance because of unions needs replacing.
Labour costs are not always the biggest financial element, in manufacturing, stock, machinery, materials and facilities, can easily be the biggest element. Mind you aircraft and airport facilities don't come cheap!!.
Anyway - with best wishes for the future to all concerned and apologies for Thread creep.
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It seems the dispute is resolved. Can't make out from the early headlines whether that means there's still CC job losses, and/or on what terms.
Cabin crew accept Aer Lingus plan - The Irish Times - Fri, Mar 26, 2010
Anyone know further details?
Cabin crew accept Aer Lingus plan - The Irish Times - Fri, Mar 26, 2010
Anyone know further details?
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Any CEO that cannot give a good performance because of unions needs replacing.
Any CEO that can't stand up to crappy unions needs replacing.
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You have massively confused two parts of a business....the items you mostly mentioned
If you are running a business, regardless of size, costs are costs, regardless of their origin. You obviously first tackle those that are easiest to control or reduce, or have the biggest impact on the negative cash flow. But at the end of the day if you ignore any major areas of spend, you do so at your peril.
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230 Aer Lingus cabin crew who rejected a €97m cost reduction programme will only receive the legal minimum redundancy payment when they lose their jobs in a month's time.
All cabin crew will be made redundant after a 30-day consultation period.
Most of them will be offered immediate re-employment, but on lower pay and conditions.
Redundant cabin crew will get two weeks' pay per year of service, compared with six weeks in total for 440 staff accepting voluntary redundancy among pilots, administration, ground staff and craft workers.
Yesterday, the airline announced that it would have to secure cost savings through compulsory redundancies rather than by the voluntary deal that the cabin crew turned down by a margin of two to one.
It also said that it would not do any 'sweetheart' deal for the cabin crew, which was the only one of five groups to reject the restructuring agreement.
It is understood that the airline intends to make all senior cabin crew members, known as cabin managers, compulsorily redundant in an attempt to 'de-layer' the cabin crew organisation system.
The IMPACT trade union has said that the compulsory redundancy programme announced by Aer Lingus is 'brutal, targeted and unfair'.
The union is requesting that the Labour Relations Commission reconvene in order to 'find a mutual solution'.
In a statement this afternoon, the union says that despite assurances by the CEO of the airline Christoph Mueller, the measures 'look very much like a form of retribution against cabin crew for voting against the proposals'.
IMPACT says that it believes that the measures, if fully implemented, 'will damage the long term sustainability of the airline'.
Aer Lingus has said that it has no mandate from the board to enter further negotiations with cabin crew.
A spokesperson for Aer Lingus said that after four months in the Labour Relations Commission, there was nothing left to negotiate.
If I was crew I would be lobbying my reps incessantly for a negotiated settlement. Even if they are apparently temporarily indisposed.
Surely if these reps are suspended, or stuck downroute, they have MORE, not LESS time to attend union business; as they are claiming.
All cabin crew will be made redundant after a 30-day consultation period.
Most of them will be offered immediate re-employment, but on lower pay and conditions.
Redundant cabin crew will get two weeks' pay per year of service, compared with six weeks in total for 440 staff accepting voluntary redundancy among pilots, administration, ground staff and craft workers.
Yesterday, the airline announced that it would have to secure cost savings through compulsory redundancies rather than by the voluntary deal that the cabin crew turned down by a margin of two to one.
It also said that it would not do any 'sweetheart' deal for the cabin crew, which was the only one of five groups to reject the restructuring agreement.
It is understood that the airline intends to make all senior cabin crew members, known as cabin managers, compulsorily redundant in an attempt to 'de-layer' the cabin crew organisation system.
The IMPACT trade union has said that the compulsory redundancy programme announced by Aer Lingus is 'brutal, targeted and unfair'.
The union is requesting that the Labour Relations Commission reconvene in order to 'find a mutual solution'.
In a statement this afternoon, the union says that despite assurances by the CEO of the airline Christoph Mueller, the measures 'look very much like a form of retribution against cabin crew for voting against the proposals'.
IMPACT says that it believes that the measures, if fully implemented, 'will damage the long term sustainability of the airline'.
Aer Lingus has said that it has no mandate from the board to enter further negotiations with cabin crew.
A spokesperson for Aer Lingus said that after four months in the Labour Relations Commission, there was nothing left to negotiate.
If I was crew I would be lobbying my reps incessantly for a negotiated settlement. Even if they are apparently temporarily indisposed.
Surely if these reps are suspended, or stuck downroute, they have MORE, not LESS time to attend union business; as they are claiming.
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Aer Lingus CC
I thought that the Aer Lingus CC had voted in favor of the Company's cost saving
proposals on the second ballot taken. This is from IMPACT's website.
Result of ballot on cost saving measures by Aer Lingus cabin crew
Date: Friday 26 March, 2010
News Summary:
Aer Lingus cabin crew workers have voted in favour of a cost saving proposal on a second ballot of workers, following clarifications received at the Labour Relations Commission (LRC) last week.
News Content:
The total number of ballots returned was 828 (approximately 83%). The result of the ballot was 92% in favour of the proposals, with 8% against.
It is significant that this result was achieved through a joint negotiating process. Furthermore, the agreement was achieved without any recourse to, or threat of, industrial action at any stage of the negotiations.
Extensive bilateral discussions took place last week (Friday 19th March) at the Labour Relations Commission (LRC), which gave the IMPACT cabin crew negotiating team deeper clarification in a number of areas which enabled the branch to put the cost saving proposals of February 15th to another ballot of its members.
The cabin crew branch committee has said that they are very pleased with the outcome of the ballot. They said that the past few months had been a difficult time for cabin crew as they faced very significant cost saving proposals barely a year following similar proposals valued at €15million.
However, the committee said that they hope that this will mark the start of a new relationship with management which is based on the principal of mutual respect.
proposals on the second ballot taken. This is from IMPACT's website.
Result of ballot on cost saving measures by Aer Lingus cabin crew
Date: Friday 26 March, 2010
News Summary:
Aer Lingus cabin crew workers have voted in favour of a cost saving proposal on a second ballot of workers, following clarifications received at the Labour Relations Commission (LRC) last week.
News Content:
The total number of ballots returned was 828 (approximately 83%). The result of the ballot was 92% in favour of the proposals, with 8% against.
It is significant that this result was achieved through a joint negotiating process. Furthermore, the agreement was achieved without any recourse to, or threat of, industrial action at any stage of the negotiations.
Extensive bilateral discussions took place last week (Friday 19th March) at the Labour Relations Commission (LRC), which gave the IMPACT cabin crew negotiating team deeper clarification in a number of areas which enabled the branch to put the cost saving proposals of February 15th to another ballot of its members.
The cabin crew branch committee has said that they are very pleased with the outcome of the ballot. They said that the past few months had been a difficult time for cabin crew as they faced very significant cost saving proposals barely a year following similar proposals valued at €15million.
However, the committee said that they hope that this will mark the start of a new relationship with management which is based on the principal of mutual respect.
