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Also, Part Time positions for A380 crew confirmed this week. I think for a fixed period of two years, starting next roster. Maybe this will open up some positions for short haul transfers???
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So it looks as though things have not changed since I left....
Who can you trust....not the office that's for sure.Pity because the job is a great one if they simply worked with crew instead of against them.
They make moving the goal posts an art form don't they....
There is a previous poster who has said that closing Melbourne down would be a positive and now says that with this backflip you have the chance to move back to Sydney....looks like she doesn't care much for melbourne.
As Bla_Bla said ......The conundrum this raises.
Do I go on commuting or take up this offer and.....
No roster or be able to plan your life...
The extra hours...
Limited flying to only a few destinations for the while at least.....
Mind you the office will pick and choose which QAL On Board Managers they take with this as well....I doubt experience will count for much.
Who can you trust....not the office that's for sure.Pity because the job is a great one if they simply worked with crew instead of against them.
They make moving the goal posts an art form don't they....
There is a previous poster who has said that closing Melbourne down would be a positive and now says that with this backflip you have the chance to move back to Sydney....looks like she doesn't care much for melbourne.
As Bla_Bla said ......The conundrum this raises.
Do I go on commuting or take up this offer and.....
No roster or be able to plan your life...
The extra hours...
Limited flying to only a few destinations for the while at least.....
Mind you the office will pick and choose which QAL On Board Managers they take with this as well....I doubt experience will count for much.
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I go along with Bla_Bla and Lobey and say this is a kick in the face for the QCCA crew and their aspirations.It is also a backhanded compliment to the QAL crew.Even with the added expense which Darth would not agree to the airline has now said it wants the more expensive crew for the job.
This could be because they have problems with what they see as the right candidates within QCCA or it might be because they don't want to spend the money on upgrade courses for existing QCCA crew.With the extra expense of QAL crew I would think that an upgrade course would be cheaper anyway.
Either way I don't think Darth would have gone along with this.
You might get some crew who commute to Melbourne for the job and who live in Sydney but it's a close call with the downgrade in working conditions.If it was so attractive to work on for QAL crew then they would have enough already.For the record this shows how much twiggs was wrong about the destinations being more important than the money.
You might make some more money but you don't have any say in your roster and you have the extra hours and flying to the same spot everytime would be like working in the same office every day,day after day fater day.
Lobey is also right to about who they will pick for the job.That'll make for some fun reading.
This could be because they have problems with what they see as the right candidates within QCCA or it might be because they don't want to spend the money on upgrade courses for existing QCCA crew.With the extra expense of QAL crew I would think that an upgrade course would be cheaper anyway.
Either way I don't think Darth would have gone along with this.
You might get some crew who commute to Melbourne for the job and who live in Sydney but it's a close call with the downgrade in working conditions.If it was so attractive to work on for QAL crew then they would have enough already.For the record this shows how much twiggs was wrong about the destinations being more important than the money.
You might make some more money but you don't have any say in your roster and you have the extra hours and flying to the same spot everytime would be like working in the same office every day,day after day fater day.
Lobey is also right to about who they will pick for the job.That'll make for some fun reading.
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any csm's out there want to post their average hours for the last 2 rosters? romour has it that csm hours have not been high at all. this rumour was attributed directly to the toupee himself. twiggs, don't reply to me, you are on my 'ignore list'.
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I must have been speaking to different C.S.M to you NBW... Several I know are doing 3-4 trips per roster... A whole lot less than the A/C and B.F.A's who's rosters are very close to 220hrs.
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Welcome To Reality
Qantas is a business.The efficient allocation resources is the name of the game.The good of the business is more important than the good of the individual.
To be blunt experience is lacking on the A380 and this has been magnified by the closure of the Thai base.Enthusiasm is wonderful and should be applauded but it needs to be coupled with experience.
Contrary to popular belief all is not well in A380 land
To be blunt experience is lacking on the A380 and this has been magnified by the closure of the Thai base.Enthusiasm is wonderful and should be applauded but it needs to be coupled with experience.
Contrary to popular belief all is not well in A380 land
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DEFCON4 is right.....
The office has no sentimentality or loyalty other to itself....
During your career some decisions will go your way and some will not.It's probably a case of being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the right time....or..well you know what I mean.
With this, if some crew from Melbourne take up the offer it is a possible win for those who prefer to stay and commute.Their seniority will go up and hopefully that is reflected in their bidding.
Those who go over to the Dugong will get some more money and can give commuting the flick and put up with the downside.It will all depend on personal circumstances I guess as to which you prefer.
Trying to second guess the office is a fruitless and mostly frustrating waste of time.This is basically because they don't know what they're going to do the next day themselves.
Best of luck to all...
The office has no sentimentality or loyalty other to itself....
During your career some decisions will go your way and some will not.It's probably a case of being in the right place at the right time or the wrong place at the right time....or..well you know what I mean.
With this, if some crew from Melbourne take up the offer it is a possible win for those who prefer to stay and commute.Their seniority will go up and hopefully that is reflected in their bidding.
Those who go over to the Dugong will get some more money and can give commuting the flick and put up with the downside.It will all depend on personal circumstances I guess as to which you prefer.
Trying to second guess the office is a fruitless and mostly frustrating waste of time.This is basically because they don't know what they're going to do the next day themselves.
Best of luck to all...
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N-BW...There are plenty of crew with 20 plus years of flying and a lot of them could not run a chook raffle or would even want to...
If there is a problem with the cabin service from a crew point of view it is because they are not picking the right people for the jacket on the 380....
A good CSM makes all the difference whereas a mediocre CSM can make a 3 day trip seem like 6 months....and the company sure knows how to pick them.Look who they get to run the office.....
If there is a problem with the cabin service from a crew point of view it is because they are not picking the right people for the jacket on the 380....
A good CSM makes all the difference whereas a mediocre CSM can make a 3 day trip seem like 6 months....and the company sure knows how to pick them.Look who they get to run the office.....
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On a positive note.... It has been great to have some new blood join us from short haul... Cant say I was trilled about it initally, however many have added a more mature element to the a380, something we really did need..
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N_BW.
THere have been periods at Qantas where there have been no promotions for over 6 years. The lack of promotional opportunities at the moment are as a result of the planned 1000 crew recruitment for 2008-9 being canned as a result of the worlds worst financial crisis since the great depression.
Over the last year there have been in fact operational surpluses of nearly 300 crew that in other times would have resulted in mass redundancies. In 1991 over 650 crew were made redundant and some was compulsorily.
The Thai flight attendants who earned 12k per annum and who never had any chance of promotion and many who had given 10 years total commitment were terminated by the company to save the jobs of the QCCA crew in Australia.
Under the EBA the obligation of the COmpany would have been to maintain a 75/25 ratio of redundancy with the overseas crew meaning that about 100 QCCA would have been made redundant.
Whilst i completely understand the dissappointment at the lack of promotional opportunities it has to be seen within the above context. Over 3000 Qantas employees have been made redundant, SH crew have had massive cuts to their incomes as a result of changes to flying, MAM crew have had incredible changes to their fortunes and many Long Haul Crew have had 20% pay cuts by forced leave over the last 2 years.
Even if promotions were available at the moment A380 crew would be competing with mainline for them and existing CSM and CSS could still apply for the positions on merit against crew seeking promotion. Given that there are on 6 CSM and 6 CSS positions it would be extremely competitive to start with and no guarantee that any more than a handful would be successful in any case until more aircraft arise. I would hope that the majority would understand the situation and hold out for better times ahead
Everyone has suffered to some extent and i am sorry that you have had to leave Qantas in order to pursue career advancement. I hope wherever you have gone is in better shape than the airline industry at the moment. Qantas is still purchasing over 20 more A380 aircraft and over 160 new aircraft in total over the next 7 years or so. With that growth come massive recruitment again and promotions will flow.
Even so, there will be many crew who will not be successful in attaining promotion and that in itself will lead to bitter disappointment for some. You only need to see what the AIRC has handed down at the AWARD for flight attendants in this country to see what they think we are worth. The challenge moving forward will be no different to the challenges of the past
* doing everything possible to create employment security in Australia
* creating an environment and conditions conducive to recruitment on shore as opposed to off shore
* improving conditions for some and maintaining what's possible for others
Breaking news from the UK
British Airways to cut 1,700 jobs
British Airways has recently introduced charges for pre-booking seats
British Airways has announced that is to cut 1,700 jobs and introduce a two-year pay freeze for cabin crew as it looks to cut costs during the downturn.
It also announced that it would press ahead with plans to recruit new staff on different terms and conditions to current employees.
The airline is losing money and expects to make a big loss for the second consecutive year.
Global airlines are struggling with a fall in passenger numbers.
"Revenues are down, so we must reduce costs and restore profitability," BA said.
"Thousands of staff across the airline have already made contributions to the cost reduction programme."
The airline has been in negotiations with unions about the best way to cut staff costs.
This summer, it asked employees to volunteer to work for free for one month, to take unpaid leave or to work part-time.
It has also scrapped sandwiches on short-haul flights and is introducing charges on pre-booked seats.
In the year to the of March, BA made a loss of £401m - its biggest loss since the company was privatised in 1987.
THere have been periods at Qantas where there have been no promotions for over 6 years. The lack of promotional opportunities at the moment are as a result of the planned 1000 crew recruitment for 2008-9 being canned as a result of the worlds worst financial crisis since the great depression.
Over the last year there have been in fact operational surpluses of nearly 300 crew that in other times would have resulted in mass redundancies. In 1991 over 650 crew were made redundant and some was compulsorily.
The Thai flight attendants who earned 12k per annum and who never had any chance of promotion and many who had given 10 years total commitment were terminated by the company to save the jobs of the QCCA crew in Australia.
Under the EBA the obligation of the COmpany would have been to maintain a 75/25 ratio of redundancy with the overseas crew meaning that about 100 QCCA would have been made redundant.
Whilst i completely understand the dissappointment at the lack of promotional opportunities it has to be seen within the above context. Over 3000 Qantas employees have been made redundant, SH crew have had massive cuts to their incomes as a result of changes to flying, MAM crew have had incredible changes to their fortunes and many Long Haul Crew have had 20% pay cuts by forced leave over the last 2 years.
Even if promotions were available at the moment A380 crew would be competing with mainline for them and existing CSM and CSS could still apply for the positions on merit against crew seeking promotion. Given that there are on 6 CSM and 6 CSS positions it would be extremely competitive to start with and no guarantee that any more than a handful would be successful in any case until more aircraft arise. I would hope that the majority would understand the situation and hold out for better times ahead
Everyone has suffered to some extent and i am sorry that you have had to leave Qantas in order to pursue career advancement. I hope wherever you have gone is in better shape than the airline industry at the moment. Qantas is still purchasing over 20 more A380 aircraft and over 160 new aircraft in total over the next 7 years or so. With that growth come massive recruitment again and promotions will flow.
Even so, there will be many crew who will not be successful in attaining promotion and that in itself will lead to bitter disappointment for some. You only need to see what the AIRC has handed down at the AWARD for flight attendants in this country to see what they think we are worth. The challenge moving forward will be no different to the challenges of the past
* doing everything possible to create employment security in Australia
* creating an environment and conditions conducive to recruitment on shore as opposed to off shore
* improving conditions for some and maintaining what's possible for others
Breaking news from the UK
British Airways to cut 1,700 jobs
British Airways has recently introduced charges for pre-booking seats
British Airways has announced that is to cut 1,700 jobs and introduce a two-year pay freeze for cabin crew as it looks to cut costs during the downturn.
It also announced that it would press ahead with plans to recruit new staff on different terms and conditions to current employees.
The airline is losing money and expects to make a big loss for the second consecutive year.
Global airlines are struggling with a fall in passenger numbers.
"Revenues are down, so we must reduce costs and restore profitability," BA said.
"Thousands of staff across the airline have already made contributions to the cost reduction programme."
The airline has been in negotiations with unions about the best way to cut staff costs.
This summer, it asked employees to volunteer to work for free for one month, to take unpaid leave or to work part-time.
It has also scrapped sandwiches on short-haul flights and is introducing charges on pre-booked seats.
In the year to the of March, BA made a loss of £401m - its biggest loss since the company was privatised in 1987.
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N_BW,
Jeez mate calm down.. The goal posts have changed because the "economic crisis" screwed up a few short term plans that Qantas has.. We all have jobs here in OZ so lets be happy about that. The industry changes, the Ansett Set know all about that.
You appear to have a lot of anger towards QAL, and the FAAA so maybe its a good thing you have resigned.
Jeez mate calm down.. The goal posts have changed because the "economic crisis" screwed up a few short term plans that Qantas has.. We all have jobs here in OZ so lets be happy about that. The industry changes, the Ansett Set know all about that.
You appear to have a lot of anger towards QAL, and the FAAA so maybe its a good thing you have resigned.
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I havent spoken to many CSM's or any CSS's that want to go over
as you cant get a straight answer out of any of the OBM's over there, they all tell you its rosy but the body language states something else..
pegasus. the honest truth.... would you stay in mainline or go over???
as you cant get a straight answer out of any of the OBM's over there, they all tell you its rosy but the body language states something else..
pegasus. the honest truth.... would you stay in mainline or go over???
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everyone should pay attention to the last quote
All in all, thanks to the FAAA and company for salvaging jobs - things could be ever so worse...
times will change and opportunities will emerge...
times will change and opportunities will emerge...
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I'm not sure about the number of CSMs and CSSs they are looking for on the A380, but I can tell you they are after an extra 10 A380 crew after the sackings over the Noumea incident.
Also a couple of Domestic csm's are up for A380 csm interviews - not that domestic is the issue just the people in question, I'd rather have Elmo as a CSM.