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Old 10th Aug 2009, 05:18
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Thumbs up QF SH + LH amalgamation

So who would actually like to see an amalgamation between short haul and long haul at Qantas?

Not sure how it would work with EBA's etc but I say give Jetstar all of domestic (bye bye HBA,PER, red eyes and sh*ty flyers).

I understand a few domestic trips would have to stay like business hours golden triangle and CBR but hey thats what we have the old girls for..... I know I would much rather do a back of the clock from SIN than one of those PER-BNE HORRORS!!!

So what do you all think? Can this be achieved? Can anyone suggest this to AJ?
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Old 10th Aug 2009, 06:04
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qantas doesnt need to amalgamate the two cabin crew groups. Their strategy is already to give the domestic work to Jetstar and the A330 work to Long Haul.

They will close the domestic division eventually under the current plan by the looks of things unless the domestic crew ensure that the nest EBA can compete a bit better with Jetstar. Cant hope to match them but a move in that direction will ensure better job security.

Trouble is that i think that Qantas is already contemplating the closure of the Melbourne Long Haul Base. If you are not on A380 down there flying to LA the remaining flying will be done by Short Haul or the Sydney Long Haul Base.

Plans are on the desk at the moment apparently
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Old 10th Aug 2009, 09:13
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I think it would be a shame to see the QF brand disappear from the domestic routes, to be replaced by Jetstar. Kind of like the end of an era. But what about all the regional routes now serviced by the Dash? Are are they planning to repaint those aircraft in pumpkin orange too?

I can understand the move to put all LH flying in a single base, since there isn't a huge amount of that flying originating in Melb anyway. I suppose all these complicated EBAs and multiple contracts means that eventually they have to just start shutting things down to square it all away.
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Old 11th Aug 2009, 01:52
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Qantas would be crazy to transfer domestic flying to Jetstar. It would be a classic case of the killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Short haul have been able to make substantial profits (albeit not as much during the GFC) and has made very positive contributions to the bottom line for years. The huge investments made in Qantas Clubs and Business Lounges/Meeting Rooms all over the country imply that imminent transfer of flying to Jetstar seem unlikely.
Sure, the company will try and align pay/conditions to Jetstar (thats hardly new) and Short Haul already have with the launch of Qantas Domestic for all new entrants.

My hunch is all capital city trunk routes remain mainline, all secondary or leisure ports going (have gone) Jetstar.
There is also the need to maintain mainline routes domestically for oncarriage/interline transfers and also as a condition of the oneworld aliance.
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Maybe not Jetstar but Qantaslink as they have changed to Qantas uniforms now
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merge the two unions?
nah..... makes too much sense
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Old 12th Aug 2009, 07:23
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It seems to me that the current arrangements for the company serve it's purposes perfectly.

The ability to play one group off against the other and shorthaul being a ready source of crew for the A380.
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As a passenger, the idea of being forced to fly jetstar (not worth the capitalisation) sends shivers down my spine.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 15:36
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Melbourne Long Haul Base to close???

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Trouble is that i think that Qantas is already contemplating the closure of the Melbourne Long Haul Base. If you are not on A380 down there flying to LA the remaining flying will be done by Short Haul or the Sydney Long Haul Base.

Plans are on the desk at the moment apparently
I'm surprised this hasn't received more of a reaction in these forums. Any more info on this yet, Pegasus? How strong is this rumour? It kind of makes sense. On top of that, we have just moved to a much larger hotel in Melbourne... (much nicer, too, by the looks of things! hoorah! )
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 15:58
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Talking Bring it on

I think all QAL crew can see benefits in this occuring, the question will be what will be lost/gained in each division for this to occur. AJ has been quite open in terms of reducing the segmentation that is currently in place at QF, it's great to see catering and engineering come back under the umbrella of Qantas. If the divisions are combined it will surely be one of the final
pieces of the merger puzzle that should have been completed years ago. We are in a different aviation world compared to 9 mths ago and a united cabin crew division could prove to be the saving grace for an ever evolving airline. My 2cents worth.
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Old 15th Aug 2009, 23:14
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I think we can all dream that we will all become one, but I highly doubt that will happen.

If the maximum aircraft endorsement number for flight attendants in Australia is still five then it would work perfectly with S/H & L/H crew endorsed on 737,767,330,747 working together as one and the A380 crew still remaining as dedicated crew.

How are the long haul crew enjoying the tandem economy service on the A330 SYD-MEL ? Would they be happy to do it on a 737 also ?

As S/H crew one international trip a month would be enough to keep me happy forever.
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 01:05
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Flug,

from what i understand the brisbane base is pretty content and works reasonably well. In melbourne with the growth of A380 flying there is consideration that it could be "managed" out of sydney and save on a lot of the Long Haul management costs as well as the flexibility of having AKL and SYD crew doing the non A380 flying.

The Company is certainly looking at its bases at the moment and the closure of the Melbourne base would allow certain flexibilities for the company that have arisen due to the A380.

In the case of a closure they would also be able to have a CR in the Melbourne base without affecting the operation of other bases. Given that Melbourne has the lowest FAAA membership maybe the company thinks that the FAAA wont put up too much of a fight? Of course they would have to offer positions in sydney for some of the crew
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 02:39
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I think closing the Melbourne long haul base would be a very positive thing for a majority of crew.
Presently most Sydney crew who want a promotion are only offered Melbourne which deters a lot of people.
Bring it on I say.
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 03:27
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closure of melb base??

Well, I for one would be DEVASTATED. I live here, it is my home, I wanted a promotion there, I like the people, and if CR happens, why should I lose MY job when I have close to 20 years, over a QCCA with 2? Hmm. Whilst those in Sydney may rejoice(some seem to be doing a happy dance on here....), I do not. I flew out of, and enjoyed Sydney too, for a long time,so no criticism of any other base from my end....but why are we being told nothing????
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 03:58
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No one here is happy about anyone losing their jobs.
I doubt very much that the closure of the Melbourne base would cause a CR.
If there was to be CR it would apply last on first off, all bases, irrespective of Melbourne base closing or not.
If more Melbourne base got CR it would only be because there are the most recent recruits down there.
In fact, if the Melbourne base did close, it would mean a slight increase in the hours required to fly for all crew as positioning to Melbourne would have to factored in, hence a slightly lesser need for redundancy
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 04:40
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huh?

"no one here is happy about anyone losing their jobs". Ok good.

But then this earlier;

".. closing the Melbourne base would be a very positive thing for a majority of crew" ??????

Contradictory?

Well maybe the majority of crew may be happy, BUT, it certainly wouldn't be a very positive thing for all the MELBOURNE base crew!!!!

If it happens, it happens, I hope it doesn't....and yes, it IS all about me

I hope we find out more soon.
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 04:59
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When the Perth base closed, did everyone lose their jobs?
No.
Most relocated to other bases or to short haul.
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Posted by Twiggs
I think closing the Melbourne long haul base would be a very positive thing
That is unless you're in the Melbourne base eh Twuggs.
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When the Perth base closed, did everyone lose their jobs?
No.
Most relocated to other bases or to short haul.
Thats right ...move your family and cope with the upheaval...yeah no problem Twiggs.What if there is no room in S/H Melbourne ....or if you don't want to fly S/H.They have a surplus of crew in Sydney L/H so that's out.

What if your kids are in school in Melbourne as well as your family and the company tells you that the only base is in...S/H Perth...or it's CR..

Yeah that is a very positive thing twiggs
I think closing the Melbourne long haul base would be a very positive thing ....Presently most Sydney crew who want a promotion
So closing the Melbourne base is a good thing for.....Sydney crew.

Thankyou Twiggs...Well said

As far as amalgamation of S/H and L/H is concerned there has to be an advantage for the company....not just for those S/H crew who want to fly internationally....

I think if you want to do that then put your name down on the transfer list....
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Old 16th Aug 2009, 05:37
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well there are always rumours floating around .. i suggest that people calm down until the company outlines its intentions... if and when it does.

Bear in mind that they were singing the praises of the perth base right up until the day they announced its closure :
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exactly..

why I am worried. I am attempting not to get in a tizzy, but Peg, it was you who mentioned plans were on the table....however, as it has already been mentioned the base may not be viable, that should mean we are safe!!hehe

I have been here long enough to know that 'plans on the table' could mean anything from 'forget it' to 'do it tomorrow', so I shall just wait and see.

Lobey, yes, Agreed on all points.

As I have said already, I just am really disappointed (although after this long I shouldn't expect anything less!!) that anyone could even say that people would be happy about even a possible base closure. Never mind. I shall go back in my box now....
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