BA's new staff travel policy from Apr.09
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It is unfair on many ex staff. For those of us still at BA it is also pretty clear that this concession will continue to be reduced at due intervals. It is not only BA a number of the larger companies see the issue as too costly to run and administer. In other words for many retirees buy a commercial ticket. Many of us do that anyway or did until the loads took a downward tumble.
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It is of course worse. Once removed from the Staff Travel map, not even the participating Interline airlines will be available. Many of us live where BA fears to tread, and rely on the local airlines to get to a BA station to pick up a service that we can use. But of course the Interline airlines staff will still be able to use BA !!
In a reply to me, Manager Staff Travel has admitted that they are going to look at Interline agreements, you'll lose those next.
All the retirees ask is that we continue to be eligible for what we worked for - and in many cases were promised before accepting Severance - contractual or not.
One cannot stop change, but the retrospective application of new rules to the most elderly pensioners who are least equipped to adapt to those changes, is just plain cruel. It will cost BA nothing to 'Grandfather' the concessions that we were granted on retirement - and the ID 90 fare will help towards the 'carbon tax ', if nothing else, and we are a diminishing group as well.
Watch out. It might be your pension next. Fight back now.
It is of course worse. Once removed from the Staff Travel map, not even the participating Interline airlines will be available. Many of us live where BA fears to tread, and rely on the local airlines to get to a BA station to pick up a service that we can use. But of course the Interline airlines staff will still be able to use BA !!
In a reply to me, Manager Staff Travel has admitted that they are going to look at Interline agreements, you'll lose those next.
All the retirees ask is that we continue to be eligible for what we worked for - and in many cases were promised before accepting Severance - contractual or not.
One cannot stop change, but the retrospective application of new rules to the most elderly pensioners who are least equipped to adapt to those changes, is just plain cruel. It will cost BA nothing to 'Grandfather' the concessions that we were granted on retirement - and the ID 90 fare will help towards the 'carbon tax ', if nothing else, and we are a diminishing group as well.
Watch out. It might be your pension next. Fight back now.
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pensioner staff travel
Please keep me informed of any assistance needed to protect our rights. I retired involutarilly in 1992. I served 26 years. I would have loved to stay as a Captain untill 2002. So it does seem unfair that my staff travel rights, that I rarely use should be curtailed in 2018. And, what about my wife who will live long after I am gone. Where is the logic. It is all on a seat available situation. Why fly with empty seats when a small charge for fuel would cost the airline nothing.
I only learned of this from entering BA staff travel into "Google". BA never told me.
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I only learned of this from entering BA staff travel into "Google". BA never told me.
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Barry Courtney
If anyone would like to contact me, Iam at( [email protected])
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If you retired from BA in 1992 have you not seen all this going on in the Touchdown? As both Speedbird in NZ and I have said join ABAP and see what is happening.
My staff travel finishes in 4 years approx from now and it was supposed to be for life and for my wifes life as well - and she is 10 years younger than me. In 4 years time I have got to get friends of mine who are still elegible for staff travel to get me Hotline tickets OR believe it or not use my retired staff travel (90%) with Virgin who I worked for after BA.
It seems silly that I can still use BA through an interline agreement with BA/Virgin but I cannot use the BA staff travel that I had been assured was mine and my wifes for life when I joined BOAC/BA !!!
However, in a letter from ABAP received this week, it seems that board members past and present can have not just staff travel for life - but 1st class travel for life. W..... W..... - you are a really even handed person NOT!!!!!!
My staff travel finishes in 4 years approx from now and it was supposed to be for life and for my wifes life as well - and she is 10 years younger than me. In 4 years time I have got to get friends of mine who are still elegible for staff travel to get me Hotline tickets OR believe it or not use my retired staff travel (90%) with Virgin who I worked for after BA.
It seems silly that I can still use BA through an interline agreement with BA/Virgin but I cannot use the BA staff travel that I had been assured was mine and my wifes for life when I joined BOAC/BA !!!
However, in a letter from ABAP received this week, it seems that board members past and present can have not just staff travel for life - but 1st class travel for life. W..... W..... - you are a really even handed person NOT!!!!!!
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Incorrect. At yesterday's AGM it was confirmed that Board members on leaving their posts only get staff travel for as many years as they worked for BA. The only exception is for past CEOs who retain staff travel for life.
The big anomoly is the fact that other airlines retirees can, if their own airlines rules permit, retain the ability to use BA for life under the interline agreements as it would be impractical for BA to check their length of service and dates of retirement.
The big anomoly is the fact that other airlines retirees can, if their own airlines rules permit, retain the ability to use BA for life under the interline agreements as it would be impractical for BA to check their length of service and dates of retirement.
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In reply to the poster who says staff travel in BA (along with other co's) is too costly to run, this is not correct. We book our seats online not through an office. Does this cost money - one thing it does do is actually MAKE money for BA - you would think that the concept would be embraced not be in danger of being discontinued!
Hotline tickets can be purchased as of this moment which are "commercial tickets" even this will be denied to retirees when their allotted number of years run out.
Hotline tickets can be purchased as of this moment which are "commercial tickets" even this will be denied to retirees when their allotted number of years run out.
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That is why it is worth keeping the minimum number of shares as the shareholder discount is the same as the basic (not special offer) hotline ie a 10% discount.
That is why it is worth keeping the minimum number of shares as the shareholder discount is the same as the basic (not special offer) hotline ie a 10% discount.
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Not a lot of people know that. What is the minimum number of shares you need for this then??? When was this published and where do I get the information.?
Not a lot of people know that. What is the minimum number of shares you need for this then??? When was this published and where do I get the information.?
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200 shares. That'll set you back about £260 at todays closing price, but given you'll always get at least as good a discount as a BA employee there's not much point. On the other hand if you are a frequent traveller in a premium class......
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At the moment we can get Hotlines but in 4 years and 9 months with the WW in charge all that will cease as we will not have the years served rule working for us.
Pensioners are going to be severely affected then and in the future!
Pensioners are going to be severely affected then and in the future!
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Cannot access ABAP or 'BA be fair'
Here's what I get when I try that:
"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server."
Now what?
"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server."
Now what?
Anyone know why ?
www.BA-be-fair.com etc.
Thank you for the advice of no entry to these sites, I've contacted the creator of the sites, and he is investigating.
Watch this space,
Thank you,
ExSp33db1rd
Thank you for the advice of no entry to these sites, I've contacted the creator of the sites, and he is investigating.
Watch this space,
Thank you,
ExSp33db1rd
www.BA-be-fair.com and www.abap.org.uk
Back to normal.
Not sinister, BA's MI-6 dept. did not infiltrate, clerical issue by the 'owner' of the websites, apologies, and pls. keep reading and contributing, only by keeping up the pressure will there ever be any changes, I recently wrote the following to The Editor, BA News, but I doubt you will see it in print as BA News is clearly a Management mouthpiece............
How nice of BA to invite reminiscences from older former employees to help their 90th Birthday celebrations, and then with the other hand slap us across the face by throwing us out of the Staff Travel 'family'.
Yes, I used to enjoy working for BOAC more than 50 years ago.
Back to normal.
Not sinister, BA's MI-6 dept. did not infiltrate, clerical issue by the 'owner' of the websites, apologies, and pls. keep reading and contributing, only by keeping up the pressure will there ever be any changes, I recently wrote the following to The Editor, BA News, but I doubt you will see it in print as BA News is clearly a Management mouthpiece............
How nice of BA to invite reminiscences from older former employees to help their 90th Birthday celebrations, and then with the other hand slap us across the face by throwing us out of the Staff Travel 'family'.
Yes, I used to enjoy working for BOAC more than 50 years ago.
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What Nonsense
The website opens now - what whiny nonsense it has. Explain how the elderly pensioners "...will lose their privileges and entitlements entirely." The travel policy doesn't say that. And stop calling the staff travel an entitlement - it's NOT an entitlement. The company is prudently and wisely winding back discretionary benefits in difficult financial times. Sounds like some stupid, pampered and precious old guy is having a tantrum because he can't get it all his own way and he is seeing the world progressing beyond 1970 and he doesn't like it.
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At Air Canada, all staff that worked 25 years or more get lifetime passes, and travel on a C2 status for life. It is terrible! We current employees cannot get on flights because good old granny bones who started with a some bloody predecessor airline called Beaver Air that you've never heard of, gets on with a hire date of 1959..lol I can hardly use my passes because of it. I think what BA is realising is that people are living longer, so these passes can have an impact on current employees staff travel. At AC, we are screwed basically until we are 80 years old, then we can finally get on the SYD flight..lol.
Thank God they make them retire at 65, or these old bags would work forever, hogging everything as they do. The crew check in centre at YVR: we call it Jurassic Park... where 23 years of service is considered junior!
Thank God they make them retire at 65, or these old bags would work forever, hogging everything as they do. The crew check in centre at YVR: we call it Jurassic Park... where 23 years of service is considered junior!
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Yes it does. Those who have already been retired for longer than they were employed - the new policy - are now cut off from ALL rebate travel concessions, except that we have been " graciously " granted a stay of execution to March 31st 2014 - to " Get Used To It " - their words.
Well bully for you, maybe YOU will keep your staff travel benefits well until into your '90's, as will most retiring now. Unless of course you are just a jealous outsider, conveniently forgetting any perks that your occupation might allow you ? A company car maybe ? ( a widely offered perk ) Free coal ? ( if a miner ) Cheap groceries at the Supermarket ( if you work for one ) Many examples.
I took early retirement AT THE BEHEST OF THE COMPANY in the early 80's, OK, I didn't have to, and of course there was an advantage to me AS WELL AS THE COMPANY otherwise they wouldn't have offered it, one of the 'carrots' was immediate retention of Staff Travel " concessions " - it has never been an entitlement, well understood, even tho' my retirement contract spelled out my " rebate travel entitlements in retirement " ( their words ) - and now they are welching on the deal, and applying it retrospectively.
Don't bother to reply, it's my ( and hundreds of others ) battle and I don't give a st**f for your opinion.
( PPRuNe has an " Ignore " listing I believe - will investigate )
The travel policy doesn't say that
Yes it does. Those who have already been retired for longer than they were employed - the new policy - are now cut off from ALL rebate travel concessions, except that we have been " graciously " granted a stay of execution to March 31st 2014 - to " Get Used To It " - their words.
Well bully for you, maybe YOU will keep your staff travel benefits well until into your '90's, as will most retiring now. Unless of course you are just a jealous outsider, conveniently forgetting any perks that your occupation might allow you ? A company car maybe ? ( a widely offered perk ) Free coal ? ( if a miner ) Cheap groceries at the Supermarket ( if you work for one ) Many examples.
I took early retirement AT THE BEHEST OF THE COMPANY in the early 80's, OK, I didn't have to, and of course there was an advantage to me AS WELL AS THE COMPANY otherwise they wouldn't have offered it, one of the 'carrots' was immediate retention of Staff Travel " concessions " - it has never been an entitlement, well understood, even tho' my retirement contract spelled out my " rebate travel entitlements in retirement " ( their words ) - and now they are welching on the deal, and applying it retrospectively.
Don't bother to reply, it's my ( and hundreds of others ) battle and I don't give a st**f for your opinion.
( PPRuNe has an " Ignore " listing I believe - will investigate )
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Yaletown.
BA addressed your problem years ago, all retired staff of whatever age or previous service were given a boarding priority behind even the most junior, eligible employee. Current employees get first bite of the cherry.
Further, ones' actual date of joining after upon retirement advanced by one day each day for boarding privileges, so, for instance, I served 24 years starting in 1958, but my date of joining for boarding is 2009 minus the 24 years that I served, i.e now effectively 1985, so a retiree who started after me in 1958, but served more years, will have a higher priority than me - always.
Worth lobbying your Company ! Best of luck !
BA addressed your problem years ago, all retired staff of whatever age or previous service were given a boarding priority behind even the most junior, eligible employee. Current employees get first bite of the cherry.
Further, ones' actual date of joining after upon retirement advanced by one day each day for boarding privileges, so, for instance, I served 24 years starting in 1958, but my date of joining for boarding is 2009 minus the 24 years that I served, i.e now effectively 1985, so a retiree who started after me in 1958, but served more years, will have a higher priority than me - always.
Worth lobbying your Company ! Best of luck !
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At all other North American carriers, retirees always board after active employees, so instead of a C2, they get on as a C3, as unaccompagnied partners of the employee do. I think that is quite fair. As everyone signed on for an additional 21 months at the current contract, I don't see that changing. In Canada, people don't tend to think like they do in England. Here the philosophy is 'it's all about me me me'. Disgusting I know, but the whole seniority driven system over here has created this monster. This is why as well, when you fly AC or any American carrier, you will notice only the very elderly tend to get the international flying whilst all the newer crews (up to 25 years of service..lol) tend to fly domestic routes. There is no rostering; you bid for your schedule.
Yaletown.
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British Airways Flt. Deck Crew went for the N.Am. bidline system in the 70's, and yes, the old ( over 50 !! ) grabbed the best routes, either more allowances, better routes, or least time change (i.e.UK -Africa ) for personal convenience.
B.A.Aircrew with a compulsory retirement age of 55, until recently, retired 10 years earlier, and served 10 years less than general staff, so effectively lose out on rebate travel concessions by 20 years in comparison to others, and some, who accepted early retirment at the request of the airline, by even more.
I'm long out of it, and as this is a Cabin Crew thread I can't comment on current C.C. practice anyway, but rebate travel concessions are equal - or rather were equal - across all occupations within the airline, not now, those who spent their lives creating the once proud airline that the present staff have the privilege to work for, are being roundly screwed.
There is no rostering; you bid for your schedule
British Airways Flt. Deck Crew went for the N.Am. bidline system in the 70's, and yes, the old ( over 50 !! ) grabbed the best routes, either more allowances, better routes, or least time change (i.e.UK -Africa ) for personal convenience.
B.A.Aircrew with a compulsory retirement age of 55, until recently, retired 10 years earlier, and served 10 years less than general staff, so effectively lose out on rebate travel concessions by 20 years in comparison to others, and some, who accepted early retirment at the request of the airline, by even more.
I'm long out of it, and as this is a Cabin Crew thread I can't comment on current C.C. practice anyway, but rebate travel concessions are equal - or rather were equal - across all occupations within the airline, not now, those who spent their lives creating the once proud airline that the present staff have the privilege to work for, are being roundly screwed.
