Crew safety briefings
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Back from 10 days waggling the old tentacles in the sun of Mauritius, and wooah! The knives are out in this corner of the web...
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Too much of the latter going on in this thread: it's about pre-flight cabin crew safety briefings. Stay on topic please, this is too good a subject to be buried in abuse.
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There's one simple maxim that always keeps us gone-over-to-the Dark-Side moderator types happy....
Attack the argument, never the person
Or as Redsnail put it very eloquently on another debate somewhere else in this electronic cavern...
Play the ball, not the player
Too much of the latter going on in this thread: it's about pre-flight cabin crew safety briefings. Stay on topic please, this is too good a subject to be buried in abuse.
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I agree absolutely that thorough safety briefings should be carried out for OBVIOUS reasons. It also sets a professional tone before we begin work and ensures that everyone DOES know their safety. It also is a way of constantly refreshing ourselves in prepation for our annual SEP's. Not everyone can be trusted to read their manual for 10 mins a day. I've done briefings many times and found that people have been way off the track so it's a good way of maintaining knowledge. Cocky people who think they 'know it all' can often be the dangerous ones. 
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i agree with u birds, but i still think its not too much to ask for crew to have a more than sound knowledge of their safety and emerg... its funny how alot of crew seem to study about 2 days before their refresher.
i just want to feel that my fellow crew on my flights are confident in dealing with most situations, and a part of being ready is being updated with your manual.
in saying that who knows how each and every one of us will really react in an emerg situation, we'll never know until we face it, hopefully never...
welshcity, thanx for your support, its not about winding people up, its about having an opinion and sticking up for yourself against the mafiosa.....
i just want to feel that my fellow crew on my flights are confident in dealing with most situations, and a part of being ready is being updated with your manual.
in saying that who knows how each and every one of us will really react in an emerg situation, we'll never know until we face it, hopefully never...
welshcity, thanx for your support, its not about winding people up, its about having an opinion and sticking up for yourself against the mafiosa.....
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xtc – you reckon you know your stuff – but you don’t listen to the briefings and so are probably not a cued up as you think. You state you are bored, therefore, that means that you don’t take in the briefing. No doubt the pax are bored with your safety briefings because you find repetitive stuff boring and it will show.
Do you know your stuff? Just how well would you score against Xenia and Flaps?
You claim not to start insults and yet you make a gratuitously offensive posting against flaps. Would everyone were at the level that Flaps is! You can bet your bottom dollar on flaps not only being what Xenia says, but also very good at her job (as is Xenia), therefore it might be wise to listen to those who have been in the business considerably longer than yourself.
It is beholden upon everyone of us who fly to have sound knowledge of safety and emergency, but how can you claim to have that if you don’t listen properly.
Are you sure that your fellow crew are equally as confident in your ability to deal with any situations. You seem to have a ‘them and us mentality’, not good when purporting to be part of a team.
Have you given a thought to why the briefings to you are mundane and basic, could it be perhaps you are not quite the star you claim.
Do you know your stuff? Just how well would you score against Xenia and Flaps?
You claim not to start insults and yet you make a gratuitously offensive posting against flaps. Would everyone were at the level that Flaps is! You can bet your bottom dollar on flaps not only being what Xenia says, but also very good at her job (as is Xenia), therefore it might be wise to listen to those who have been in the business considerably longer than yourself.
It is beholden upon everyone of us who fly to have sound knowledge of safety and emergency, but how can you claim to have that if you don’t listen properly.
Are you sure that your fellow crew are equally as confident in your ability to deal with any situations. You seem to have a ‘them and us mentality’, not good when purporting to be part of a team.
Have you given a thought to why the briefings to you are mundane and basic, could it be perhaps you are not quite the star you claim.
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Ah, briefings.....
Given by those who assume they know it all, (normally sitting there with notes in hand), to us, the crew.
It does NOT take a genius to be aquainted with what is required, (oven/overhead fires, safety equipment, medical emergencies, etc, etc).
I know where Xtc is coming from, it isn't hard. Most briefings in my company consist of: "name some points of cabin secure" - "explain how to use <a certain> piece of equipment" Everybody drones their answer, as the No1 reads from his/her list of questions and answers.
God - on the occasion you get a GOOD No1, who will ask something different, (and - good gracious), actually knows what's in the manual themselves, the crew are shocked into thinking.
Personally, I think ALL these people who give briefings should be 'put on the spot' themselves sometime - sort the men from the boys, and the girls from the women.
Don't shoot me for MY opinion!
Given by those who assume they know it all, (normally sitting there with notes in hand), to us, the crew.
It does NOT take a genius to be aquainted with what is required, (oven/overhead fires, safety equipment, medical emergencies, etc, etc).
I know where Xtc is coming from, it isn't hard. Most briefings in my company consist of: "name some points of cabin secure" - "explain how to use <a certain> piece of equipment" Everybody drones their answer, as the No1 reads from his/her list of questions and answers.
God - on the occasion you get a GOOD No1, who will ask something different, (and - good gracious), actually knows what's in the manual themselves, the crew are shocked into thinking.
Personally, I think ALL these people who give briefings should be 'put on the spot' themselves sometime - sort the men from the boys, and the girls from the women.
Don't shoot me for MY opinion!
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I am sorry to hear your briefings are boring you guys. Unfortunately, there are good and bad No1`s and the same with airlines. I was a No1 for over 11 years and was also SEP/Security trainer. I am now junior crew again. As you may of read in my earlier posting regarding briefings I would not say my briefing were boring and when training new No1`s I would tell them to always include yourself. It is not easy as it looks to conduct a good brief; also there is the peer pressure of not giving a "mean" briefing as word gets out that they are ****** etc.... and everyone on this world wants to be liked- hence the BCF check, paxs faints.
I started flying with a UK airline which you learnt Drills for this and that and they had to be word perfect, as was learning the emergency PA. The only thing is great- learn these drills and PA`s parrot fashion like at school with times tables 1x2=2, 2x2=4, Acknowledge, Brief, Collect, but you have to know what it means.
The airline changed it training methods, although still drilled and PA ed they explain it, although I don`t agree with word for word answers.
When I joined a new airline I ended up training SEP. I got the trainee crew to tell me what they would in an emergency situation type story I was telling them, therefore they creating the drill by telling me. OK it was not word prefect and we needed to tweak it here and there; but hey did it sink in.
I also used this in briefings.
The problem with learn by manual is that it is a GUIDE and most probably have to be re- aranged some of the fomular to get you though that day. Manuals are written from passed emergencies. Look what happen to that United DC-10 when the tail engine had a fan blade failure it broke all THREE hydraulic systems. The manual for the f/d probably was not much good to them, but past experiences.
The most important thing to remember is that an unplanned emergency is more likely to happen than a planned, and you have to bloodly quick in that instance.
My 3rd airline training was excellent, not 1 drill or PA learning parrot fashion, but practial drill training in mock ups, which was then tested both written in multi-choice, and practically. BRILLIANT.
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I started flying with a UK airline which you learnt Drills for this and that and they had to be word perfect, as was learning the emergency PA. The only thing is great- learn these drills and PA`s parrot fashion like at school with times tables 1x2=2, 2x2=4, Acknowledge, Brief, Collect, but you have to know what it means.
The airline changed it training methods, although still drilled and PA ed they explain it, although I don`t agree with word for word answers.
When I joined a new airline I ended up training SEP. I got the trainee crew to tell me what they would in an emergency situation type story I was telling them, therefore they creating the drill by telling me. OK it was not word prefect and we needed to tweak it here and there; but hey did it sink in.
I also used this in briefings.
The problem with learn by manual is that it is a GUIDE and most probably have to be re- aranged some of the fomular to get you though that day. Manuals are written from passed emergencies. Look what happen to that United DC-10 when the tail engine had a fan blade failure it broke all THREE hydraulic systems. The manual for the f/d probably was not much good to them, but past experiences.
The most important thing to remember is that an unplanned emergency is more likely to happen than a planned, and you have to bloodly quick in that instance.
My 3rd airline training was excellent, not 1 drill or PA learning parrot fashion, but practial drill training in mock ups, which was then tested both written in multi-choice, and practically. BRILLIANT.
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It really does not get brownie points to wind people up or be smart when it comes to safety on board the aircraft.
The fact that xtc reads up for 10 minutes before briefing merely proves the point that SEP questions are not easy and briefings boring!
After a few years flying, most crew think they know it all - give it 10 more and you really do have an idea of what is going on and have the ability to learn more as a result of dealing with people and situations.
It may not matter if you know the red .. but it matters a lot to the first class passengers who pay for the aircraft to get from A to B. Particularly if you like to get the best airline service awards.
It really does not get brownie points to wind people up or be smart when it comes to safety on board the aircraft.
The fact that xtc reads up for 10 minutes before briefing merely proves the point that SEP questions are not easy and briefings boring!
After a few years flying, most crew think they know it all - give it 10 more and you really do have an idea of what is going on and have the ability to learn more as a result of dealing with people and situations.
It may not matter if you know the red .. but it matters a lot to the first class passengers who pay for the aircraft to get from A to B. Particularly if you like to get the best airline service awards.
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It really does not get brownie points to wind up, be smart or use abusive language like xtc when it comes to briefings and safety on board the aircraft.
With a wealth of 3 years flying xtc admits to reading the manuals for 10 minutes beore briefing - would indicate that not all is known and briefings totally boring.
Maybe it is not important to know the names of the wines as well but it does help airlines going for awards and confidence in knowledge of the crew.
You would like to see all pursers in same position of airline crew - if you work for a real international airline you will find that this happens once a year in re-checks if you do them! A lot of seniors do read the manuals before to refresh and ensure that they know the job they are paid for!
Not many medical problems on aircraft run by the rules of first aid training and only experience with the human race will give the ability to deal with these calmly in a professional manner.
Safety briefings are not designed to offload crew members in very large numbers, and are kept easy for that reason. At 0400 a question like the causes of shock may send a lot of crew into that condition!
Something that has been bothering me for a long time and I am sure you can answer - why is it that the crew who live in discos cannot stay awake on night flights?
It really does not get brownie points to wind up, be smart or use abusive language like xtc when it comes to briefings and safety on board the aircraft.
With a wealth of 3 years flying xtc admits to reading the manuals for 10 minutes beore briefing - would indicate that not all is known and briefings totally boring.
Maybe it is not important to know the names of the wines as well but it does help airlines going for awards and confidence in knowledge of the crew.
You would like to see all pursers in same position of airline crew - if you work for a real international airline you will find that this happens once a year in re-checks if you do them! A lot of seniors do read the manuals before to refresh and ensure that they know the job they are paid for!
Not many medical problems on aircraft run by the rules of first aid training and only experience with the human race will give the ability to deal with these calmly in a professional manner.
Safety briefings are not designed to offload crew members in very large numbers, and are kept easy for that reason. At 0400 a question like the causes of shock may send a lot of crew into that condition!
Something that has been bothering me for a long time and I am sure you can answer - why is it that the crew who live in discos cannot stay awake on night flights?
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What really is the point in retaliating to xtc or defending the said person.
Just check the other sites. Cool person only has to read the books 10 minutes before briefing because questions too easy and then drinks Vodka in flight.
God help the person who gets sick and doesn't show symptoms straight out of the manual!
Just check the other sites. Cool person only has to read the books 10 minutes before briefing because questions too easy and then drinks Vodka in flight.
God help the person who gets sick and doesn't show symptoms straight out of the manual!
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You picked a good person to defend in xtc.
10 minutes reading manuals before mentally unchallenging briefings sounds a little less confident that postings made abusing others who tried to make mature, experienced comments.
Maybe the bottle of Vodka in flight (see Emirates here I come) improves the intellect and gives super hero powers when dealing with emergencies on the aircraft
You picked a good person to defend in xtc.
10 minutes reading manuals before mentally unchallenging briefings sounds a little less confident that postings made abusing others who tried to make mature, experienced comments.
Maybe the bottle of Vodka in flight (see Emirates here I come) improves the intellect and gives super hero powers when dealing with emergencies on the aircraft
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Shame you chose to defend xtc = tends to put you in same cattle of fish.
As xtc mentioned there are 5% interesting briefings. IF xtc is so confident - why the need for 10 minutes reading pre-briefing - are you not so confident after all?
Strange that you should like to see seniors in same position as you - does it not happen on regular basis in re-checks as with international airlines that take safety seriously?
How are the abilities of xtc affected when dealing with medical emergencies in flight. Does the bottle of Vodka (see Emirates here I come) make up for years of experience, dealing with people and medical problems.
While you think you know it all now in 10 more years or so when you grow up you will notice those who read the manuals while you walk past, and try to make the briefing easy to avoid the embarrassement of offloading crew who don't quite make the mark.
Shame you chose to defend xtc = tends to put you in same cattle of fish.
As xtc mentioned there are 5% interesting briefings. IF xtc is so confident - why the need for 10 minutes reading pre-briefing - are you not so confident after all?
Strange that you should like to see seniors in same position as you - does it not happen on regular basis in re-checks as with international airlines that take safety seriously?
How are the abilities of xtc affected when dealing with medical emergencies in flight. Does the bottle of Vodka (see Emirates here I come) make up for years of experience, dealing with people and medical problems.
While you think you know it all now in 10 more years or so when you grow up you will notice those who read the manuals while you walk past, and try to make the briefing easy to avoid the embarrassement of offloading crew who don't quite make the mark.
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i do not recall ever having a chitty-chat with you.
I do remember your buddy 'cool' accusing me of having sex with a person I do not know and telling people it is wrong to offer condolences for the death of friends of mine. Thats about as far as it goes.
As a firm believer in 'what goes around - comes around' your unpleasant comments are a mere drop in the ocean and the results anticipated.
i do not recall ever having a chitty-chat with you.
I do remember your buddy 'cool' accusing me of having sex with a person I do not know and telling people it is wrong to offer condolences for the death of friends of mine. Thats about as far as it goes.
As a firm believer in 'what goes around - comes around' your unpleasant comments are a mere drop in the ocean and the results anticipated.
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As far as I'm concerned we all have a responsibility to both our fellow crew members - and more importantly the customers which we fly.
At my briefings (I've got 15 yrs experience and I train) I always ask SEP questions before anything else - flight/service details.
I use a mixture of both scenarios and individual questions which may overlap.
Scenarios work best be they fire, evacuation or in flight medical care.
A typical scenario would be a fire in the cabin, who would fight the fire, which extinguisher would be used, location, operating cautions. Who would tell the Captain, how would they contact them i.e if smoke was present in the forward cabin, what information the Captain needs to know. Who would co-ordinate the emergency (ie. preferably purser), who would be responsible for telling the Captain that the fire was out.
One can actually involve quite a bit of detail in such a scenario.
The route you operate should also set a bias as to which questions may be suitable i.e Egypt/West Africa - desert survival, Canaries/Long Haul - emphasis on water survival equipment, Menorca - child seating restrictions, use of car seats, infant lifejackets etc. A knowledge of your airports as cabin crew can also for the base of questions, such as at Corfu if you over-ran the runway what call from the flight deck would tell you if the aircraft was still on land or in the water? - although you'd probably realise before the call came.
It's one of the best ways of getting the team working and thinking together. I always try to inject a little humour to relax people, and if someone is struggling I'll let them think about a possible answer and come back to them for an answer.
I do find that some struggle regularly, and I have to admit that they are usually the ones who seldom shine onboard providing the best possible service.
I get particularly hacked off with predominantly 20-25 year olds who think they can go out and 'club' till all hours and then show up for work in a tired and unfit condition. Don't tell me when you've been out to 3am, when it's 9am and you are in the crew room looking like a bag of rags, unable to answer your SEP questions and then unable to perform to a high standard on the aircraft. I'd rather not know, because believe me you can bet you'll only do it the once with me.
As for drinking on flights, you are leaving yourself wide open, passengers and fellow crew members are not stupid. Just imagine if you are unable to look after a medical situation correctly because you are intoxicated or hungover - have some professionalism and sense of responsibility,
or just leave and let someone more enthusiastic and responsible take your place - it is obviously not the job for you.
Safety has to be paramount, and in our company it is always top of the pre-flight briefing agenda.
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At my briefings (I've got 15 yrs experience and I train) I always ask SEP questions before anything else - flight/service details.
I use a mixture of both scenarios and individual questions which may overlap.
Scenarios work best be they fire, evacuation or in flight medical care.
A typical scenario would be a fire in the cabin, who would fight the fire, which extinguisher would be used, location, operating cautions. Who would tell the Captain, how would they contact them i.e if smoke was present in the forward cabin, what information the Captain needs to know. Who would co-ordinate the emergency (ie. preferably purser), who would be responsible for telling the Captain that the fire was out.
One can actually involve quite a bit of detail in such a scenario.
The route you operate should also set a bias as to which questions may be suitable i.e Egypt/West Africa - desert survival, Canaries/Long Haul - emphasis on water survival equipment, Menorca - child seating restrictions, use of car seats, infant lifejackets etc. A knowledge of your airports as cabin crew can also for the base of questions, such as at Corfu if you over-ran the runway what call from the flight deck would tell you if the aircraft was still on land or in the water? - although you'd probably realise before the call came.
It's one of the best ways of getting the team working and thinking together. I always try to inject a little humour to relax people, and if someone is struggling I'll let them think about a possible answer and come back to them for an answer.
I do find that some struggle regularly, and I have to admit that they are usually the ones who seldom shine onboard providing the best possible service.
I get particularly hacked off with predominantly 20-25 year olds who think they can go out and 'club' till all hours and then show up for work in a tired and unfit condition. Don't tell me when you've been out to 3am, when it's 9am and you are in the crew room looking like a bag of rags, unable to answer your SEP questions and then unable to perform to a high standard on the aircraft. I'd rather not know, because believe me you can bet you'll only do it the once with me.
As for drinking on flights, you are leaving yourself wide open, passengers and fellow crew members are not stupid. Just imagine if you are unable to look after a medical situation correctly because you are intoxicated or hungover - have some professionalism and sense of responsibility,
or just leave and let someone more enthusiastic and responsible take your place - it is obviously not the job for you.
Safety has to be paramount, and in our company it is always top of the pre-flight briefing agenda.
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Dear, oh dear, oh dear ..... What HAVE I said to upset you?? FOUR postings, relating directly to me, one after the other!! I shall try to answer the points you have made one by one; let me begin:
I do NOT deliberately wind people up, either in crew room, on on the aircraft - it makes my life easier if we all get on
I stand by my original post regarding briefings, most NO1s haven't got a clue on a REGULAR basis - of course they are checked periodically, and only then do a lot of them read up. In other words, they pay 'lip service' to safety most of the time. (I know, I've heard a lot of them discuss this). Let me say here and now, this does by no means apply to ALL NO1s, only certain people. However, one thing I hear discussed on a regular basis, are such fascinating subject like: husbands/boyfriends, where to have the next manicure, make-up brands, etc, etc, etc... Incidentally, I DO work for one of the largest airlines in the UK.
You insinuate that a)I've not worked for an airline for long b)I frequent discos (God - I HATE discos, so I CANNOT answer your question on them) c)You assume that you know my age - you DON'T know my age, and you certainly don't know the answers to points a and b, so please do not assume things.
For the record, I've worked for 3 airlines, for quite a number of years, and have witnessed quite a few happenings: On board emergencies - epilepsy, hyperventillation, heart-attack, violence. Other crisis' - an emergency landing, semi-emergency landing.
Same goes for you, fivepercent - please don't tell me to grow up - I'm probably older and wiser than you are.
Don't get me wrong - I agree with briefings, but they must be done consistently, to test if crew have the knowledge required. What I witness with regards to briefings are that some are hap-hazard, some militant, and others conniving, (i.e. I know some NO1s will deliberately ask someone they don't like an 'off the wall' question, then report them if they answer incorrectly).
The above discrimination unfortunately shows itself quite a lot in various aspects of the cabin crew job, but that's another story .....
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Dear, oh dear, oh dear ..... What HAVE I said to upset you?? FOUR postings, relating directly to me, one after the other!! I shall try to answer the points you have made one by one; let me begin:
I do NOT deliberately wind people up, either in crew room, on on the aircraft - it makes my life easier if we all get on
I stand by my original post regarding briefings, most NO1s haven't got a clue on a REGULAR basis - of course they are checked periodically, and only then do a lot of them read up. In other words, they pay 'lip service' to safety most of the time. (I know, I've heard a lot of them discuss this). Let me say here and now, this does by no means apply to ALL NO1s, only certain people. However, one thing I hear discussed on a regular basis, are such fascinating subject like: husbands/boyfriends, where to have the next manicure, make-up brands, etc, etc, etc... Incidentally, I DO work for one of the largest airlines in the UK.
You insinuate that a)I've not worked for an airline for long b)I frequent discos (God - I HATE discos, so I CANNOT answer your question on them) c)You assume that you know my age - you DON'T know my age, and you certainly don't know the answers to points a and b, so please do not assume things.
For the record, I've worked for 3 airlines, for quite a number of years, and have witnessed quite a few happenings: On board emergencies - epilepsy, hyperventillation, heart-attack, violence. Other crisis' - an emergency landing, semi-emergency landing.
Same goes for you, fivepercent - please don't tell me to grow up - I'm probably older and wiser than you are.
Don't get me wrong - I agree with briefings, but they must be done consistently, to test if crew have the knowledge required. What I witness with regards to briefings are that some are hap-hazard, some militant, and others conniving, (i.e. I know some NO1s will deliberately ask someone they don't like an 'off the wall' question, then report them if they answer incorrectly).
The above discrimination unfortunately shows itself quite a lot in various aspects of the cabin crew job, but that's another story .....
WCF
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Oops - technical problems with the system frozen last night though now it looks like I can do a good wind up too!
My only criticism of you was the way that you congratulated a very rude person (xtc) on ability to wind people up and I managed to take over in those stakes purely by accident.
While you have gained a lot of experience with several airlines and have been given a negative attitude of seniors spare a thought for those who work for airlines where staff stay longer and learn to respect their seniors who have 20 years of learning and experience in the work they do!
I'm just off to find a new user name now that I have proved that technology takes a little longer to master!
Oops - technical problems with the system frozen last night though now it looks like I can do a good wind up too!
My only criticism of you was the way that you congratulated a very rude person (xtc) on ability to wind people up and I managed to take over in those stakes purely by accident.
While you have gained a lot of experience with several airlines and have been given a negative attitude of seniors spare a thought for those who work for airlines where staff stay longer and learn to respect their seniors who have 20 years of learning and experience in the work they do!
I'm just off to find a new user name now that I have proved that technology takes a little longer to master!
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well people
as i have said before and i'll say it again, i did not start the insults and the rudeness, but merely defended myself, and the proof is there for all to see and its obvious that none of you want to see who actually started the insults.
i think welsch saw where i was coming from and got bagged for it as well.
all i can say is take a look at previous posts and then you will all see who is right and wrong.
i will say it again that i never start throwing insults and only defend myself, but i suppose that isn't good enough for all you know it alls.
a simple ? - is it a bad thing to revise your manual from time to time..
it seems that you all think that i think i am too good, well if wanting to know my job and be as prepared as i can for situations which is what we r meant to do.
as for my vodka situation, well sorry for having a gag on that post..
not only it seems that you are all boring but lack a sense of humour as well..
maybe we need cool ek to get back to spice up your lives a little, if i can get her out of my bed................................
thats all .....
as i have said before and i'll say it again, i did not start the insults and the rudeness, but merely defended myself, and the proof is there for all to see and its obvious that none of you want to see who actually started the insults.
i think welsch saw where i was coming from and got bagged for it as well.
all i can say is take a look at previous posts and then you will all see who is right and wrong.
i will say it again that i never start throwing insults and only defend myself, but i suppose that isn't good enough for all you know it alls.
a simple ? - is it a bad thing to revise your manual from time to time..
it seems that you all think that i think i am too good, well if wanting to know my job and be as prepared as i can for situations which is what we r meant to do.
as for my vodka situation, well sorry for having a gag on that post..
not only it seems that you are all boring but lack a sense of humour as well..
maybe we need cool ek to get back to spice up your lives a little, if i can get her out of my bed................................
thats all .....
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So xtc, what have you proved by your series of postings
That you are not a team player - too much 'them and us'
That you are not of a calm temperament - you rise easily and with little provocation, and get quite abusive towards others.
If you feel your attitude is justified, why the need to constantly reassure us that it 'wasn't you' that started it.
If you were really as much of a leader as you claim - you would realise it doesn't matter who started what - it's how you deal with the situation, not who you blame.
Facetious remarks at the expense of others, shows immaturity not clever wit.
Remember, people who are bored are boring.
Now, I don't know you except from what you post here, but that tells me all of the above. It also tells me I could not rely on you, nor would you be good, in an emergency, because that needs a cool head which so far you've signally failed to display.
That you are not a team player - too much 'them and us'
That you are not of a calm temperament - you rise easily and with little provocation, and get quite abusive towards others.
If you feel your attitude is justified, why the need to constantly reassure us that it 'wasn't you' that started it.
If you were really as much of a leader as you claim - you would realise it doesn't matter who started what - it's how you deal with the situation, not who you blame.
Facetious remarks at the expense of others, shows immaturity not clever wit.
Remember, people who are bored are boring.
Now, I don't know you except from what you post here, but that tells me all of the above. It also tells me I could not rely on you, nor would you be good, in an emergency, because that needs a cool head which so far you've signally failed to display.
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...and the topic of this thread is....? Sorry, I lost track 'midst all the rancour and slander.
I really hate putting padlocks on threads, but this one is heading that way. The best moderation is self-moderation (some could make the same argument for abuse as well!) and this forum is usually very good at the former.
On topic please, on topic...
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I really hate putting padlocks on threads, but this one is heading that way. The best moderation is self-moderation (some could make the same argument for abuse as well!) and this forum is usually very good at the former.
On topic please, on topic...
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And the topic was safety briefings
A good strict briefing with safety questions and knowledge of answers with corrections where needed works a treat. Throw in a bit of approachability and humour adds a lot of clout.
A very brief covering of points that really hack off seniors should also work well particularly if followed up on aircraft with those who chose to ignore.
The type of crew who think they are better than others from the start usually prove their inadequacies on board the aircraft as reflected in this site! They generally do not stay long with one airline as they become recognised as problem people and drift from one job to another.
For those who are geniuinely not up to scratch training and and follow up can be given in flight with scope for improvement.
A good strict briefing with safety questions and knowledge of answers with corrections where needed works a treat. Throw in a bit of approachability and humour adds a lot of clout.
A very brief covering of points that really hack off seniors should also work well particularly if followed up on aircraft with those who chose to ignore.
The type of crew who think they are better than others from the start usually prove their inadequacies on board the aircraft as reflected in this site! They generally do not stay long with one airline as they become recognised as problem people and drift from one job to another.
For those who are geniuinely not up to scratch training and and follow up can be given in flight with scope for improvement.