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Well Done Nick22 At least there s someone in XL who says what he really thinks. For those of you who DO NOT work for XL, I would suggest you keep quite on this matter as you do not know what really goes on in this company as it s not just about the memo.
I totally agree with Nick22, this company is crap and there is no surprise by this memo at all.
And don't tell me they going to survive, we've seen it coming for the last 9 months. But I m sure some of you will tell me that I m rude and should leave this company if I m not happy but I wanna see what happens.
And No need to reply telling that i am rude or deluded as I am not and am just facing reality that some of you don't wanna see.
I totally agree with Nick22, this company is crap and there is no surprise by this memo at all.
And don't tell me they going to survive, we've seen it coming for the last 9 months. But I m sure some of you will tell me that I m rude and should leave this company if I m not happy but I wanna see what happens.
And No need to reply telling that i am rude or deluded as I am not and am just facing reality that some of you don't wanna see.
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If you feel that strongly about it then it's best you leave! I'm sure you are 'bags of fun' on a CRM day!! 
I've just left XL and I didn't see this coming '9 months ago' and i've been flying a long time and have been with some very dubious companies! XL have their problems but hey this is the Aviation Industry!!
I've just left XL and I didn't see this coming '9 months ago' and i've been flying a long time and have been with some very dubious companies! XL have their problems but hey this is the Aviation Industry!!
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Well obviously Nesboy, you v had your head in the clouds!!! This company waste money on a daily basis, on ridiculous things and I am sorry to dissappoint you but I am not the only one to have seen this coming, the difference being that I can actually say it rather than most people in XL keep it shut !!!
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Nick22 and stephen 82, report to my office immediately.
If you are such business gurus why are you working as juniors in a charter airline living your life and making decisions based on the drivel, gossip and hearsay that you spout with your colleagues in the back galley instead of geting out there and making it work. We need less of your types and more managers
If you are such business gurus why are you working as juniors in a charter airline living your life and making decisions based on the drivel, gossip and hearsay that you spout with your colleagues in the back galley instead of geting out there and making it work. We need less of your types and more managers
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Well obviously we DO need more managers and directors who actually know what they doing as the current ones obviously haven't got a clue.
And what exactly can juniors do when we constently report things but no one cares in this company as long as the fat cats at the top get their money Who cares about the people who make the company??
Do you actually work for XL or just working for descent company and just making comments????
And what exactly can juniors do when we constently report things but no one cares in this company as long as the fat cats at the top get their money Who cares about the people who make the company??
Do you actually work for XL or just working for descent company and just making comments????
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For what it's worth, here is my 2 dirhams of input...
No pain no gain; B747 are expensive and whilst they have the capacity, the extra fuel/crew needed to carry the 200 odd (!) punters over a B767 / A330 costs more than revenue generated
4 x A330 cannot be introduced over night; hence the 18 month 'downsizing' - crews have to be trained etc etc
The ASI contract was not renewed; partly I understand due late confirmation that the a/c would be available to operate the flights (remember; not an XL machine )
The surgeon has had to make cuts to save the patient....; none of this detracts from all of the uncertainty that we are all facing at the moment..myself included.....
No pain no gain; B747 are expensive and whilst they have the capacity, the extra fuel/crew needed to carry the 200 odd (!) punters over a B767 / A330 costs more than revenue generated
4 x A330 cannot be introduced over night; hence the 18 month 'downsizing' - crews have to be trained etc etc
The ASI contract was not renewed; partly I understand due late confirmation that the a/c would be available to operate the flights (remember; not an XL machine )
The surgeon has had to make cuts to save the patient....; none of this detracts from all of the uncertainty that we are all facing at the moment..myself included.....
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I'm really annoyed that the memo to XL staff has been made available to anyone who views this website. I hope anyone on here who slags off the company or thinks this is funny are the ones who lose their jobs.
If anyone thinks XL haven't got a clue then why are they doing what they are doing?? They are a business not a charity, here to make money, so there not going to pay crew to fly once a month. They know they need to save money and thats what they intend to do. They clearly have people working for them who have there heads screwed on.
XL have new A330's on order and many 737's leased out for winter where there is money to be made. Its obvious there is going to be cutbacks when the fleet is reduced as much as it is being. I've been with the company since AAE and only got permanent last year, so i will probably be one of the first to get redundancy, if thats the path they take. I'm not gonna slag them off tho, if i wanted to slag them off then i wouldnt be working for them. Anyone who hates them but still works for them clearly can't get another airline job.....Good luck everyone who I work with, lets hope we get the option we have chosen x
If anyone thinks XL haven't got a clue then why are they doing what they are doing?? They are a business not a charity, here to make money, so there not going to pay crew to fly once a month. They know they need to save money and thats what they intend to do. They clearly have people working for them who have there heads screwed on.
XL have new A330's on order and many 737's leased out for winter where there is money to be made. Its obvious there is going to be cutbacks when the fleet is reduced as much as it is being. I've been with the company since AAE and only got permanent last year, so i will probably be one of the first to get redundancy, if thats the path they take. I'm not gonna slag them off tho, if i wanted to slag them off then i wouldnt be working for them. Anyone who hates them but still works for them clearly can't get another airline job.....Good luck everyone who I work with, lets hope we get the option we have chosen x
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I also work at LGW and have many good friends at xl i also agree an internal memo should not be posted on a public site!
Stephen82 are you the same Stephen82 that a few months ago was posting on here saying you were going to take xl to court for sacking you?................ how did you get on what was the outcome? you obviously still have issues as you seem very bitter!
Stephen82 are you the same Stephen82 that a few months ago was posting on here saying you were going to take xl to court for sacking you?................ how did you get on what was the outcome? you obviously still have issues as you seem very bitter!
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"Stephen82 are you the same Stephen82 that a few months ago was posting on here saying you were going to take xl to court for sacking you?................ how did you get on what was the outcome? you obviously still have issues as you seem very bitter!"
If that's the case then it explains alot!
If that's the case then it explains alot!
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On another forum, someone has posted the following about the SFB flights:-
"Depending whether they go from Gatwick or Manchester it will be a XL 767 ( Premium and Econ ) or a XL Star Airlines of France A330 , with a premium and economy. I know TCD are sending letters out soon regarding flight changes for next summer/winter 08"
Is this correct?
"Depending whether they go from Gatwick or Manchester it will be a XL 767 ( Premium and Econ ) or a XL Star Airlines of France A330 , with a premium and economy. I know TCD are sending letters out soon regarding flight changes for next summer/winter 08"
Is this correct?
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Nick22 and stephen 82 I agree with all the people in this forum!! If you hate excel why don't you leave???
You talk crapt about the company, as if excel was the only one like that!!! Have you ever worked with other companies?? Probably not, with that attitude. The grass is not greener on the other side!!!!!!!!
What you should do is ask for the redundancy so the rest of us can stay with excel, as we like the company, and of course there is bad things, but at least finally we can say good bye to the old a/c as we have been asking for a long time.
You talk crapt about the company, as if excel was the only one like that!!! Have you ever worked with other companies?? Probably not, with that attitude. The grass is not greener on the other side!!!!!!!!
What you should do is ask for the redundancy so the rest of us can stay with excel, as we like the company, and of course there is bad things, but at least finally we can say good bye to the old a/c as we have been asking for a long time.
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nesboy, briefing etc etc...here here!! 
The grass isn't always greener. This is the fourth charter airline i have worked for and the people are just the best.
I pray that redundancies are kept to an absolute minimum
The grass isn't always greener. This is the fourth charter airline i have worked for and the people are just the best.
I pray that redundancies are kept to an absolute minimum
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I agree with PeterOwens fan club here - If Stephen82 and Nick22 are such financial and business geniuses why are they posting on a cabin crew website ? I'd have thought that recruitment agencies across the UK would be beating on their doors begging for them to take up Senior Management posts in major Commercial companies...........or is it maybe because their lack of intelligence has led them to where they currently are in the world ?
Briefing is correct, the grass is not always greener, other companies have similar problems, some have worse, several merging companies spring to mind.
Although if Stephen82 did get sacked it goes a long way to understanding that bitterness - which hopefully one day he will come to terms with and move on.....but then again stuff him, i hope it keeps gnawing away at him for a long time to come....
Briefing is correct, the grass is not always greener, other companies have similar problems, some have worse, several merging companies spring to mind.
Although if Stephen82 did get sacked it goes a long way to understanding that bitterness - which hopefully one day he will come to terms with and move on.....but then again stuff him, i hope it keeps gnawing away at him for a long time to come....
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On a friend's flight, they were 1 hour into the flight when the crew on the 738 MAN - TFS (TUE AFTERNOON) realised that there were only 70+ meals onboard, Leaving alot of people short changed!!
I don't think cost cutting is always the answer, It is getting the right team to run the operation, And I am afraid to say that XL have not got it quite right yet.
Regards.
I don't think cost cutting is always the answer, It is getting the right team to run the operation, And I am afraid to say that XL have not got it quite right yet.
Regards.
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Sounds like not much has changed since I was there. I remember once, on a breakfast flight, they had loaded the lunch hot straight into the oven, instead of the breakfast hots. no one checked before cooking, so we ended up serving cottage pie on the breakfast tray. on the return flight we had to serve omlettes on the lunch tray.
Stuff like this was typical. Mind you, this was going back to the days of the L1011 and Excel was just being formed out of Sabre. Great crews making the best of out not-so-great circumstances.
Stuff like this was typical. Mind you, this was going back to the days of the L1011 and Excel was just being formed out of Sabre. Great crews making the best of out not-so-great circumstances.
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I am lgw based. Why?
As if that only will happens in XLA. I think is funny when people tells stories that happened to friends. Things like that could have different reasons why. Caterings fault, last minute holiday bookings, xla not ordering all the meals, etc...... I have worked for a few companies and have had that problem on all of them, but I must said, in almost 2 years working for xla, never happened to me.
As if that only will happens in XLA. I think is funny when people tells stories that happened to friends. Things like that could have different reasons why. Caterings fault, last minute holiday bookings, xla not ordering all the meals, etc...... I have worked for a few companies and have had that problem on all of them, but I must said, in almost 2 years working for xla, never happened to me.