Back 2 Back Flights (B2B)
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Example;
*Monday*
Manchester - Chicago departing Monday AM arriving Monday PM in Chicago
*Tuesday*
Chicago - Manchester departing Tuesday PM arriving Wednesday AM in Manchester.
*Wednesday*
Rest Day
*Thursday*
Manchester - Chicago departing Thursday AM arriving Thursday PM in Chicago
*Friday*
Chicago - Manchester departing Friday PM arriving Saturday AM in Manchester.
This would be a typical example of a back to back.
*Monday*
Manchester - Chicago departing Monday AM arriving Monday PM in Chicago
*Tuesday*
Chicago - Manchester departing Tuesday PM arriving Wednesday AM in Manchester.
*Wednesday*
Rest Day
*Thursday*
Manchester - Chicago departing Thursday AM arriving Thursday PM in Chicago
*Friday*
Chicago - Manchester departing Friday PM arriving Saturday AM in Manchester.
This would be a typical example of a back to back.
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To me it means say landing from a flight early in the morning. Then having to report for your next flight the same night.
Pisses me off. Not because of the minimum rest factor but that I get paid for one duty day when have 2 duties on it.
Pisses me off. Not because of the minimum rest factor but that I get paid for one duty day when have 2 duties on it.
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How did you work that one out? From the example given, you land on the Wed morning and don't report until the Thurs.
I have never known of a duty ending in the morning and another starting that night when it comes to B2B's.
I have never known of a duty ending in the morning and another starting that night when it comes to B2B's.
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B2B
For those of you who work back to back Transatlantics... how many days off would u have??? so u fly to the USA on Monday arrive back at base Wednesdat, then leave for the USA again Thurs, before arriveng back at base again Sat... wud you have Sun Mon Tues WED free????
Depends on the Industrial agreements between the employer and the appropriate Unions. Legal minimum after a after a back to back ( assuming six days continuous work, e.g. two LHR-JFKs ), according to the UK CAA rules is one day off. The Industrial Agreements are fortunately usually different (i.e. more time off).
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Off-stand
Monday check in 10am middle east to london
tues depart london back to M/E
Wed arrive early morning, min rest 10 pm report back to london
thurs arrive london - rest
friday evening dept back to middle east
sat arrive middle east (if lucky no min rest)
not nice but is / has been done (thank god not anymore for me though)
Happy flying
Monday check in 10am middle east to london
tues depart london back to M/E
Wed arrive early morning, min rest 10 pm report back to london
thurs arrive london - rest
friday evening dept back to middle east
sat arrive middle east (if lucky no min rest)
not nice but is / has been done (thank god not anymore for me though)
Happy flying
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Transatlantic B2B
At present, a B2B for me looks like:
Report 8.30 local.... STD 10.00 local
Arrive EWR 13.00 EST... 30 hours down route...
STD 19.30 EST... Arrive at 07.20 local, off duty 1 hour later.. (Wednesday)
Thursday... do it all again...
The worst case scenario is one day off afterwards (I have done this followed by another B2B... but not for a long time!!!)
On average we do have 2 days off minimum after a B2B trip...
Report 8.30 local.... STD 10.00 local
Arrive EWR 13.00 EST... 30 hours down route...
STD 19.30 EST... Arrive at 07.20 local, off duty 1 hour later.. (Wednesday)
Thursday... do it all again...
The worst case scenario is one day off afterwards (I have done this followed by another B2B... but not for a long time!!!)
On average we do have 2 days off minimum after a B2B trip...
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The BA agreement is that we can only do one B2B every 28 days. Now we have a few different types of B2B's, We have 5 day ones (when I say days I mean the amount of days it uses up on a roster) for example a 5 day JFK would mean...
LHR-JFK, Nightstop
JFK-LHR, Nightflight
Nightstop in LHR
LHR-JFK, first flight out, Nightstop
JFK-LHR, Daylight morning flight.
Then we have the 6 days which would be similar only with two standard 3day trips. Then we have a nice little 8 day at the moment where we do one nightstop followed by the DTW which has a clear day down route followed by a shuttle flight down to IAH, however this will not be lasting too much longer.
I even remember a 10 day BDA B2B where we did two 5days....it was like a little holiday where we could bring friends or family with and leave them there for the 2 nights we were back in London! Was brilliant.
Now we do get paid extra for these under our agreements however they only achieve the standard days off after any US East coast trip which is three days (4 nights) but its still a bargain. I personally love them although you do feel like you have been hit by a bus and then its reversed over you several times!!!!
LHR-JFK, Nightstop
JFK-LHR, Nightflight
Nightstop in LHR
LHR-JFK, first flight out, Nightstop
JFK-LHR, Daylight morning flight.
Then we have the 6 days which would be similar only with two standard 3day trips. Then we have a nice little 8 day at the moment where we do one nightstop followed by the DTW which has a clear day down route followed by a shuttle flight down to IAH, however this will not be lasting too much longer.
I even remember a 10 day BDA B2B where we did two 5days....it was like a little holiday where we could bring friends or family with and leave them there for the 2 nights we were back in London! Was brilliant.
Now we do get paid extra for these under our agreements however they only achieve the standard days off after any US East coast trip which is three days (4 nights) but its still a bargain. I personally love them although you do feel like you have been hit by a bus and then its reversed over you several times!!!!