Tiger Airways- Melbourne
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Having not seen the conditions offered by Tiger I won't make comment about those wishing to work with them. However I do believe as cabin crew we need to work hard together to ensure conditions are not further erroded in this industry. Unfortunately there will never be a 'cabin crew shortage' like there is a pilot shortage at the moment, which would give us some leverage and bargaining power. There will always be thousands of young willing participants to work for whatever conditions are offered by airlines in order to become a flight attendant and management are very aware of this. Whenever Virgin's next EBA proposal comes out, hopefully crew will disect it thouroughly and make an informed decision.
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Does anyone actually know what Tiger are offering in terms of annual wage , allowances , duty hours (and duty hour limitations), roster choice , days off , overtime penalties , sick leave, long service leave etc etc.?
I have a family member who works on the ground in customer services for V.B and he says that they are offering very similar conditions and wages as what he gets with V.B.
I also believe that quite a few ex AN groundstaff are involved with recruitment.
I have also heard that a lot of ex AN cabin crew are being sought, due to previous A320 experience. ( will only require the 2 weeks training).
If this is the case Tiger will have to offer something decent.
For all the wannabes out there be warned - although a seemingly good wage is initially attractive ,if it means enduring very harsh working conditions the novelty of the job will fast wear off. Look hard and long at what is offerred before you leap.
cheers,
P
I have a family member who works on the ground in customer services for V.B and he says that they are offering very similar conditions and wages as what he gets with V.B.
I also believe that quite a few ex AN groundstaff are involved with recruitment.
I have also heard that a lot of ex AN cabin crew are being sought, due to previous A320 experience. ( will only require the 2 weeks training).
If this is the case Tiger will have to offer something decent.
For all the wannabes out there be warned - although a seemingly good wage is initially attractive ,if it means enduring very harsh working conditions the novelty of the job will fast wear off. Look hard and long at what is offerred before you leap.
cheers,
P
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Just let all the new crew that will start with Tiger enjoy their moment in the sun....
If it works out for them then fantastic... If it doesn't, well it doesn't make them bad people.
JQ, QF and DJ will change the conditions and you have 2 choices. Go with it or resist it. If you go with it you will have a better quality of life.
Good luck Tiger cubs
If it works out for them then fantastic... If it doesn't, well it doesn't make them bad people.
JQ, QF and DJ will change the conditions and you have 2 choices. Go with it or resist it. If you go with it you will have a better quality of life.
Good luck Tiger cubs
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question for bransons bitch or whoever can help me out
have got an interview next week with tiger airways.
just wanted to ask the usual: what to expect and all that jazz.
since u have already got the contract what kinda of money are we talking about ?
many thks
on your contract have u also got a starting date ? and where will the training be held ?
cheers
just wanted to ask the usual: what to expect and all that jazz.
since u have already got the contract what kinda of money are we talking about ?
many thks
on your contract have u also got a starting date ? and where will the training be held ?
cheers
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re: questions
Training will be at Qantas training facility MEL
Salary ( VERY LOW ) but with other perks becomes ok if you don't call in sick
sick leave a terrible 10 days
Early October training
Most crew MAM casual who want full time, ex-Ansett who have not worked for awhile or want to get back into flying a few from Virgin that are fed up with overnights and 1 from JQ of what I've heard. Why would anybody want to go from MAM when QF is about to get the new Airbus and 787 A/C with huge expansion. Many of MAM will turn into full timers with career progression.
Also heard that Bindi Irwin has been approached for Tiger's advertising campaign
Another thing I have heard is that Tiger will throw it in on the Australian domestic market, pulling out of everything and only keeping Perth Darwin and Melbourne flights and then looking to get A/C for trans-pac before V-Australia get a start.
Anyone else heard anything like this?
Salary ( VERY LOW ) but with other perks becomes ok if you don't call in sick
sick leave a terrible 10 days
Early October training
Most crew MAM casual who want full time, ex-Ansett who have not worked for awhile or want to get back into flying a few from Virgin that are fed up with overnights and 1 from JQ of what I've heard. Why would anybody want to go from MAM when QF is about to get the new Airbus and 787 A/C with huge expansion. Many of MAM will turn into full timers with career progression.
Also heard that Bindi Irwin has been approached for Tiger's advertising campaign
Another thing I have heard is that Tiger will throw it in on the Australian domestic market, pulling out of everything and only keeping Perth Darwin and Melbourne flights and then looking to get A/C for trans-pac before V-Australia get a start.
Anyone else heard anything like this?
For those with positve words....
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Tiger Uniform
Ok Guys
Enough with all the banter its going around in circles and getting a little boring, for those starting with Tiger goodluck, i'm sure you will have a blast, for those not supporting it, don't apply I guess it's as easy as that. We will all soon find out what it's like when those working for Tiger report back to us.
Anyhow on a more positive note I found a photo of the TIGER uniform in Asia. Looks cute. Not sure if they will use the same in OZ, but chances are they will maintain the same across the network. It's designed by GIORDANO I like the sash around the waiste, nice touch. Here it is:
http://www.tigerinflight.com/feature...iger-news.html
Enough with all the banter its going around in circles and getting a little boring, for those starting with Tiger goodluck, i'm sure you will have a blast, for those not supporting it, don't apply I guess it's as easy as that. We will all soon find out what it's like when those working for Tiger report back to us.
Anyhow on a more positive note I found a photo of the TIGER uniform in Asia. Looks cute. Not sure if they will use the same in OZ, but chances are they will maintain the same across the network. It's designed by GIORDANO I like the sash around the waiste, nice touch. Here it is:
http://www.tigerinflight.com/feature...iger-news.html
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Leanne,
How did the interview go??. Can you provide details of what they are offering??
I know that they are offering comparable conditions for ground staff , I am assuming this will apply to Cabin crew as well?
Despite what the doomsday theorists are saying here I think Tiger will be here for a long while. Their owners have deep pockets , long memories and an axe to grind with Q.F.
Interesting times ahead.
How did the interview go??. Can you provide details of what they are offering??
I know that they are offering comparable conditions for ground staff , I am assuming this will apply to Cabin crew as well?
Despite what the doomsday theorists are saying here I think Tiger will be here for a long while. Their owners have deep pockets , long memories and an axe to grind with Q.F.
Interesting times ahead.
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6 sector days???... !!!! Yer ive just worked 3 in a row - im an aussie working in NZ.. 6 sector days are normal here. So is no super, 4 weeks annual leave, **** pay, few overnights and all the rest some of you seem to think is so rare and such an outrage!
Ive had aircraft go U/S in many a destination foriegn to where we normally overnight, never had an issue getting a nice hotel room to rest in or any hassle getting transport there. The nice people at crewing also advised the hotel to give us a "paid for" dinner and breakfast too.
Good on you Leane, and all the best to the rest of you taking a chance. To the others, good on you for having your opinions and for trying to fight for better conditions, but dont rain on anyones parade, be thankful we have jobs oppotunities at all!
Ive had aircraft go U/S in many a destination foriegn to where we normally overnight, never had an issue getting a nice hotel room to rest in or any hassle getting transport there. The nice people at crewing also advised the hotel to give us a "paid for" dinner and breakfast too.
Good on you Leane, and all the best to the rest of you taking a chance. To the others, good on you for having your opinions and for trying to fight for better conditions, but dont rain on anyones parade, be thankful we have jobs oppotunities at all!
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galley hag...
Your concerns are most welcome.
Luckily we still live in a democracy, that being said, its all about choice, isn't it? (this is not a free plug for Jetstar!)
What may not be advantageous for some, who are under the mis-fortunate guidance that everything is handed to one on a silver platter, maybe advantageous to others. These people understand that companies need to run on profit. (look what happened to Ansett) Companies are there to provide you with employment, a decent wage, and a safe working environment. The rest is up to the employees attitude.
Whats your attitude like at work? Do you feel you are owed a wage, or do you work for one?
Times are changing, and in my view for the better. Maybe the people accepting these conditions, really want to do the job. They are not there for the money, bands, seniority, or to stay for 30 years. For a lot of people its about life experience.
Luckily we still live in a democracy, that being said, its all about choice, isn't it? (this is not a free plug for Jetstar!)
What may not be advantageous for some, who are under the mis-fortunate guidance that everything is handed to one on a silver platter, maybe advantageous to others. These people understand that companies need to run on profit. (look what happened to Ansett) Companies are there to provide you with employment, a decent wage, and a safe working environment. The rest is up to the employees attitude.
Whats your attitude like at work? Do you feel you are owed a wage, or do you work for one?
Times are changing, and in my view for the better. Maybe the people accepting these conditions, really want to do the job. They are not there for the money, bands, seniority, or to stay for 30 years. For a lot of people its about life experience.
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Out of curiosity, does anyone who has recieved a copy of the AWA care to post basic info (eg Duty hour/sector limitations per day, how far those hours can be extended due to disruption, pay, sign on & off time, DTA/allowances etc) so that constructive debate can actually take place?
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Can I politely suggest that this argument re 6 six sectors days etc is a waste of everyone's time until T & C's like daily/monthly duty hour limitations, provisions for extension of duty time by mutual agreeement/disruption etc, sign on & off time etc are known and shared with everyone?
I recall reading somewhere a suggestion that there was going to be a daily limit of 14 hours. Whether or not this is fact I don't know - but I can tell you now, you can quite easily fit in a 6 sector MEL-SYD duty in 14 hours - including an hour sign on, 1/2 hour turnarounds, and 45 min sign off. Until the facts are known and shared, there is quite simply no point debating it.
And also don't forget, whats on the schedule now isnt necessarily what will be on the schedule in 6 or 12 months time...
I recall reading somewhere a suggestion that there was going to be a daily limit of 14 hours. Whether or not this is fact I don't know - but I can tell you now, you can quite easily fit in a 6 sector MEL-SYD duty in 14 hours - including an hour sign on, 1/2 hour turnarounds, and 45 min sign off. Until the facts are known and shared, there is quite simply no point debating it.
And also don't forget, whats on the schedule now isnt necessarily what will be on the schedule in 6 or 12 months time...
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new routes for Tiger
Wonder what the last couple of routes will be for Tiger
Melbourne-Canberra perhaps
Both airlines making a killing on that market
Perth-Broome seasonal but doubt it. Tiger's cost structure would be much less than DJ's
What airports are out there that the A320 can comfortably land in that is regional. If Tiger gets in quick, they can beat DJ before they get their new Brazilian jets.
Melbourne-Canberra perhaps
Both airlines making a killing on that market
Perth-Broome seasonal but doubt it. Tiger's cost structure would be much less than DJ's
What airports are out there that the A320 can comfortably land in that is regional. If Tiger gets in quick, they can beat DJ before they get their new Brazilian jets.
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Its not only a case of which airports will adequately handle an A320, but also which markets are able to be stimulated by the delivery of a genuine no-frills product - and which ports could support an 180 seat A320. I daresay a lot of the regional ports would be better served and their markets better stimulated if their flights have the ability to connect onwards with the same airline, or at least on a codeshare agreement of some form.
I am not in any way implying that I don't want Tiger to succeed, but it will be interesting to see how long a real no frills airline can survive on its own in Australia. DJ has evolved significantly since launch (not only due to the sad demise of Ansett) - the market shares DJ has on some sectors has risen and the mix of business/leisure travellers has changed to a lot more Suits coming onboard as a direct result of a lot of the changes that have been implemented as part of the New World Carrier strategy. Evolution has been a major key in DJ's success - it will be interesting to watch the effect Tiger has on the markets it enters.
I am not in any way implying that I don't want Tiger to succeed, but it will be interesting to see how long a real no frills airline can survive on its own in Australia. DJ has evolved significantly since launch (not only due to the sad demise of Ansett) - the market shares DJ has on some sectors has risen and the mix of business/leisure travellers has changed to a lot more Suits coming onboard as a direct result of a lot of the changes that have been implemented as part of the New World Carrier strategy. Evolution has been a major key in DJ's success - it will be interesting to watch the effect Tiger has on the markets it enters.
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ROUTES spoiler
Earlier this week, i just thought that i would check the destinations page on Tigerairways.com.au, and i did and they just added their new route XIAMen (where ever the hell that is) to their links, and i saw under australia that it said "NEW! Canberra", and i was just hanging around on the net for a few hours awaiting the decision and the fares, but it didn't happen, and 2 days later it was removed, so what happend was they accedently added the canberra route along with the Xiamen link, a techo mistake, Anway at least another confirmed route is CANBERRA!!, also if you figure it out with their sced youl learn that only 3/10 aircraft are currently being used, god helps us how many more to go
opinions on prices wonders please (canberra), and other routes that could be possible