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One more important point - The Zeal crew originally had a claim in for the same pay as the air nz short haul crew - NOT - long haul crew, as the company would have you believe.
The claim has since been revised in a 'meet you half way' situation.
The claim has since been revised in a 'meet you half way' situation.
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What has working for a BUDGET airline and extra TOD's got to do with justifying such an extravagant pay rise?
I haven't seen anything on this thread that evokes the slightest sympathy, in fact seeing the photos of plebs lined up with banners that are more aligned with wharfies than cabin crew has done more than enough damage to your cause.
I haven't seen anything on this thread that evokes the slightest sympathy, in fact seeing the photos of plebs lined up with banners that are more aligned with wharfies than cabin crew has done more than enough damage to your cause.
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SKOL - you just don't get it do you.
Your salary is directly related to how much work you do, with what skills, and what level of service is provided. So they were happy with the pay the got doing a budget service for a budget airline. They were then made to do air nz services, so why should they not be paid the same as the other crew who deliver exactly the same service, in the same uniform, both with a koru on the tail.
I suppose you still believe Parton when he says they are claiming 26%? Oh and they work 30 hour weeks? Yeah right. reads like a tui billboard
I don't blame alot of people out there who don't support the crews claims - of course you wouldn't support them if you are believing all the propoganda out there.
Here is a good read Matt McCarten: Misinformation muddies waters around flight attendant dispute - National - NZ Herald News
Your salary is directly related to how much work you do, with what skills, and what level of service is provided. So they were happy with the pay the got doing a budget service for a budget airline. They were then made to do air nz services, so why should they not be paid the same as the other crew who deliver exactly the same service, in the same uniform, both with a koru on the tail.
I suppose you still believe Parton when he says they are claiming 26%? Oh and they work 30 hour weeks? Yeah right. reads like a tui billboard
I don't blame alot of people out there who don't support the crews claims - of course you wouldn't support them if you are believing all the propoganda out there.
Here is a good read Matt McCarten: Misinformation muddies waters around flight attendant dispute - National - NZ Herald News
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I read the McCarten topic in the Sunday Herald.
Maybe I don't get it.
Maybe you can give me the reason why working Air NZ services, wearing the same uniform and having a koru on the tail justifies an extravagant pay rise over and above other staff because I can't think of one.
Many of the Freedom pilots integrated into the mainline earn more than mainline pilots doing the same job but I haven't seen the mainline guys spit the dummy.
Maybe I don't get it.
Maybe you can give me the reason why working Air NZ services, wearing the same uniform and having a koru on the tail justifies an extravagant pay rise over and above other staff because I can't think of one.
Many of the Freedom pilots integrated into the mainline earn more than mainline pilots doing the same job but I haven't seen the mainline guys spit the dummy.
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I hate to go here, and I know I'll cop it for this, but here goes.
The fact is that during the last SJ contract negotiations, a clause was added allowing SJ crew to work on non-SJ services, therefore opening the door for the Zeal deal to go through. I believe a free suitcase was thrown into the mix as thanks? Doesn't look so good now does it.
If the Zeal crew are so upset that they don't have pay parity, then why don't they apply for or transfer to Mainline? You'd unfortunatley find that most wouldn't make the cut - hardly suprising seeing some of the childish and unprofessional antics that are going on at the moment...
The sad thing is, that no matter how crappy the conditions or how low the pay, there is still an unlimited supply of 18 year olds more than happy to pull on the uniform minus the funky stockings and silly wigs, and Air NZ know that...
The fact is that during the last SJ contract negotiations, a clause was added allowing SJ crew to work on non-SJ services, therefore opening the door for the Zeal deal to go through. I believe a free suitcase was thrown into the mix as thanks? Doesn't look so good now does it.
If the Zeal crew are so upset that they don't have pay parity, then why don't they apply for or transfer to Mainline? You'd unfortunatley find that most wouldn't make the cut - hardly suprising seeing some of the childish and unprofessional antics that are going on at the moment...
The sad thing is, that no matter how crappy the conditions or how low the pay, there is still an unlimited supply of 18 year olds more than happy to pull on the uniform minus the funky stockings and silly wigs, and Air NZ know that...
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Correct urok and believe it or not I do have a modicum of sympathy for their cause but standing in public with signs like 'Air NZ pays sweet F. A.' hasn't done them any good whatsoever. Disciplinary action might be in order over these disgusting banners.
Nothing's perfect but in general Air NZ's an excellent employer.
Pay rises are related to inflation and productivity and of course the degree of bargaining power you have which in this case seems somewhat limited.
McCarten's column wasn't the usual firebrand hard left message but more nice people like Andrew Little and Rob Fyfe should get along not forgetting of course (and I can't work this one out) that Air NZs largest shareholder is the government. What that has to do with it I've got no idea.
Now that these c/crew are mainline maybe they should be grateful for the extra job security.
There are well paid alternatives in the middle east (no tax) but:
don't get fat:
do exactly what you're told:
don't get pregnant:
don't age:
or get fired.
Nothing's perfect but in general Air NZ's an excellent employer.
Pay rises are related to inflation and productivity and of course the degree of bargaining power you have which in this case seems somewhat limited.
McCarten's column wasn't the usual firebrand hard left message but more nice people like Andrew Little and Rob Fyfe should get along not forgetting of course (and I can't work this one out) that Air NZs largest shareholder is the government. What that has to do with it I've got no idea.
Now that these c/crew are mainline maybe they should be grateful for the extra job security.
There are well paid alternatives in the middle east (no tax) but:
don't get fat:
do exactly what you're told:
don't get pregnant:
don't age:
or get fired.
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From: Auckland
Actually no ..I left for an airline outside of NZ..
As one of the previous threads said,during the last contract negotiations the crew where quitr happy and can I say very excited when we where told about the Air Nz services during the course of all the changes we suffered for months then when the cahnge happened I believe but don't quote me on the figure all cabin crew (excluding ISM ) where given a pay rise bringing the base pay up to the high 20s if not 30k plus a guaranted 5-10k in allowances ,now compared with other airlines the work and type of flying the crew are getting payed for is fairly justified ,
The images of striking crew is so said as they are all bringing the name of Air New Zealand into distain and frankly the imaturaity of the crew is being thrust into the spot light and I feel all crew involved should be disciplined ,the airline should then hire crew which no how to deliver proper service and standards and wo can legally drink all over the world ..
As one of the previous threads said,during the last contract negotiations the crew where quitr happy and can I say very excited when we where told about the Air Nz services during the course of all the changes we suffered for months then when the cahnge happened I believe but don't quote me on the figure all cabin crew (excluding ISM ) where given a pay rise bringing the base pay up to the high 20s if not 30k plus a guaranted 5-10k in allowances ,now compared with other airlines the work and type of flying the crew are getting payed for is fairly justified ,
The images of striking crew is so said as they are all bringing the name of Air New Zealand into distain and frankly the imaturaity of the crew is being thrust into the spot light and I feel all crew involved should be disciplined ,the airline should then hire crew which no how to deliver proper service and standards and wo can legally drink all over the world ..
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From: South Pacific
Correct urok and believe it or not I do have a modicum of sympathy for their cause but standing in public with signs like 'Air NZ pays sweet F. A.' hasn't done them any good whatsoever. Disciplinary action might be in order over these disgusting banners.
Nothing's perfect but in general Air NZ's an excellent employer.
I could go on but . . .
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