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Your intructors really need to get a grip of reality!The days of 'old school' crew have long gone! It's all about CRM now, and i can't wait to hear about your CRM training!!!
The exam's can be hard, however they are normally multiply choice with just the 1 written question which normally consists of a drill or the like!
Setting vague questions is no use to man or beast! They just confuse people!
Judging from your post you are just 19? If thats the case then you can apply to many other airlines. I appreciate you have paid alot of money for your training but you will resent the company if you aren't happy and it may make you ill!
All the best for the rest of your exams and the rest of the course.
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The exam's can be hard, however they are normally multiply choice with just the 1 written question which normally consists of a drill or the like!
Setting vague questions is no use to man or beast! They just confuse people!
Judging from your post you are just 19? If thats the case then you can apply to many other airlines. I appreciate you have paid alot of money for your training but you will resent the company if you aren't happy and it may make you ill!
All the best for the rest of your exams and the rest of the course.
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Its just dissapointing that im actually paying for this course and this is the treatment that i get plus i have to board passengers at the gate, and i dont get any airline food for my lunch, have to bring in my own food when the pilots get meals. Its crap but i really want the job im not too keen on the company.
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i.e Q) How many First aid kits are there on board?
A) 3 (which is correct)
I got 2 points deducted from me because i did not specify where there were located and what colour, but i was only answering the question. Im not the only one who is pissed off.
A) 3 (which is correct)
I got 2 points deducted from me because i did not specify where there were located and what colour, but i was only answering the question. Im not the only one who is pissed off.
You usually don't comment multiple choice...You just choose one letter... this is weird...
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I flew for Britannia as crew, left and went into ground handling, left and went to an airline that folded and then joined the airline I'm with now. From experience I will say that after working on the ground, I don't know how long you were with them, you have a lot to unlearn. I know I did
All airlines are hard work during the initial training, I can't talk for FR, I have never worked for them, but when at BY the pass mark was 93%, all written answers no multi choice and answers had to be as per the manual (word for word) god that training was hard. One the other hand I can still complete a by 767-300 location diagram and I left them in 2000.
One thing I have learnt is that even with multi choice answers if there is a section you can write in on the answer paper then they normally want something to be written there. So cover your back and if you can give them more information, they can't mark you down for that surely!! Plus it shows that you know, and can explain, what you are talking about.
I know that FR do charge for training, else where on this site is probably more talk about that than I can to read, so I am not going to comment about it. One thing to think about tho is here in the UK we are lucky that the majority of airlines pay for crew training and you are paid whilst training. In the US you do not get paid whilst training and then they can base you where ever they see fit.
Can I ask, why did you apply to FR?
I flew for Britannia as crew, left and went into ground handling, left and went to an airline that folded and then joined the airline I'm with now. From experience I will say that after working on the ground, I don't know how long you were with them, you have a lot to unlearn. I know I did
All airlines are hard work during the initial training, I can't talk for FR, I have never worked for them, but when at BY the pass mark was 93%, all written answers no multi choice and answers had to be as per the manual (word for word) god that training was hard. One the other hand I can still complete a by 767-300 location diagram and I left them in 2000.
One thing I have learnt is that even with multi choice answers if there is a section you can write in on the answer paper then they normally want something to be written there. So cover your back and if you can give them more information, they can't mark you down for that surely!! Plus it shows that you know, and can explain, what you are talking about.
I know that FR do charge for training, else where on this site is probably more talk about that than I can to read, so I am not going to comment about it. One thing to think about tho is here in the UK we are lucky that the majority of airlines pay for crew training and you are paid whilst training. In the US you do not get paid whilst training and then they can base you where ever they see fit.
Can I ask, why did you apply to FR?
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IAA not CAA...
...is what i believe Ryanair come under! Please correct me if i'm wrong!
If so, then this may explain why you have so many exams!
Not because they are Irish, but because they are a different organisation! And they have different 'regs' to the CAA.
However this doesn't explain why your instructors are such w
s!
Nesboy
If so, then this may explain why you have so many exams!
Not because they are Irish
, but because they are a different organisation! And they have different 'regs' to the CAA.However this doesn't explain why your instructors are such w
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Hi, you guys are right i am not enjoying the training but that is the only airline right now that was recruiting in my area (PIK/GLA) I passed my dangerous goods exam today 88% but i have been given sheds loads of work to do (4 hours of class teaching in Security and they expect us to do the exam tomorrow) Im just stressing. Im not getting enough time to study. Is that what other airlines do? Give you the information for one topic and expect you to sit the exam the next day? If so i just cant do it i've just not go the brain power. i mean 2-3 days is ok but i feel like im heading for a nervous breakdown i was crying today because its something i've always wanted to do and its so upsetting because they dont care in FR.
I really dont know what to do, i have debt to pay and i need the money...
im actually 20 years old, will be 21 on June, its silly but the first airline i applied to was Globespan a couple of months ago they were interested in me but because im 20 its holding me back
im gutted really, i doubt i'll pass tomorrow's exam its 20 questions multiple choice but still theres 20 pages of information/terminology and manual stuff to learn, its just not possible.
I need help
I really dont know what to do, i have debt to pay and i need the money...
im actually 20 years old, will be 21 on June, its silly but the first airline i applied to was Globespan a couple of months ago they were interested in me but because im 20 its holding me back
im gutted really, i doubt i'll pass tomorrow's exam its 20 questions multiple choice but still theres 20 pages of information/terminology and manual stuff to learn, its just not possible.
I need help
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P.S yeah they come under the JAA obviously but the IAA not the CAA.
Im new to this so i really dont know if this is common practice i.e
Learn First aid for 2 days then a major exam the next day and so forth, you dont get more than 3 days to study then its wham bam exam.
Seriously is this the right way??
P.S i have to dress is business attire and to FR standards of colours etc and im only in training, i've spent like £250 getting stuff and they can just kick you off if you fail
Im new to this so i really dont know if this is common practice i.e
Learn First aid for 2 days then a major exam the next day and so forth, you dont get more than 3 days to study then its wham bam exam.
Seriously is this the right way??
P.S i have to dress is business attire and to FR standards of colours etc and im only in training, i've spent like £250 getting stuff and they can just kick you off if you fail
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Exams
Unfortunately, thats the way it goes!
However, if i was taking your course we would a good hour recap every morning so you all understood what had been taught to you the day before!
And then the day of the exam i normally do about an hour, hour and a half recap!
Aswell as ensuring you guys know everything you need to for your exam, if anyone fails it reflects badly on us instructors!
Not that i'm saying i would give the answers, i just ensure i cover everything!
By the sounds of it that's where yourinstructors are going wrong!
Nesboy
However, if i was taking your course we would a good hour recap every morning so you all understood what had been taught to you the day before!
And then the day of the exam i normally do about an hour, hour and a half recap!
Aswell as ensuring you guys know everything you need to for your exam, if anyone fails it reflects badly on us instructors!
Not that i'm saying i would give the answers, i just ensure i cover everything!
By the sounds of it that's where yourinstructors are going wrong!
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Have you thought of applying for Virgin and commuting? A lot of people do it,so its not impossible. Im sure there are plenty of other carriers "dahn sarf" where it would be feasible to commute - Silverjet,maxjet,Virgin, BA if they start recruiting again for Long Haul, Air New Zealand, Qantas, Zoom...you get the idea.There is plenty of choice. Given that youre in glasgow, edinburgh isnt THAT far, why not see who is recruiting there?Theres always BA Cityflyer from Edinburgh or Flybe are most likely to be recruiting.
At the end of the day, youre only 20. If you have to wait a bit longer until maybe next summer, then do that.Its not like you would be too old to fly!!!!Once you are 21,it will open up more doors for you.
If youre not happy,do yourself a favour.
Good luck.
At the end of the day, youre only 20. If you have to wait a bit longer until maybe next summer, then do that.Its not like you would be too old to fly!!!!Once you are 21,it will open up more doors for you.
If youre not happy,do yourself a favour.
Good luck.
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Commander1 you poor sweet,
I have never worked for FR and will never be applying to them either. The instructors sound like they need a good kick up the arse and if you decide to leave i think thats what you should do
The instructors should be there to help you aswel as teach you, because they are unapprochable and unfriendly, it puts more pressure on you therefore you worry more about failing.
Training courses are hard going, especially if you have flown for another airline cause you have to get new drills and procedures in your head and not mix them up with the old ones.
I am with my forth airline now The training course with my current airline was fine, not to difficult, 90% pass mark. However the course for my first airline was hard work....We had drills for everything, and the crash and ditching drill had to be word perfect, and we had to write drills for no1 crew, 2, 3, and crew no4, it used to take about an hour. We also had 3 aircraft types to learn, all in 4 weeks We had a friendly instructor though, so we all go through with no re-sits 
Seriously though Commander, You will make yourself ill with all the worry and its not worth if, especially for FR!
I have never worked for FR and will never be applying to them either. The instructors sound like they need a good kick up the arse and if you decide to leave i think thats what you should do
The instructors should be there to help you aswel as teach you, because they are unapprochable and unfriendly, it puts more pressure on you therefore you worry more about failing.
Training courses are hard going, especially if you have flown for another airline cause you have to get new drills and procedures in your head and not mix them up with the old ones.
I am with my forth airline now The training course with my current airline was fine, not to difficult, 90% pass mark. However the course for my first airline was hard work....We had drills for everything, and the crash and ditching drill had to be word perfect, and we had to write drills for no1 crew, 2, 3, and crew no4, it used to take about an hour. We also had 3 aircraft types to learn, all in 4 weeks
We had a friendly instructor though, so we all go through with no re-sits Seriously though Commander, You will make yourself ill with all the worry and its not worth if, especially for FR!
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Its not that its the fact that i dont get enough time for example i learned dangerous goods one day and sat the exam the next and so forth, is this common practice for airlines?
How often are there exams i know i've got 4
2 minor and 4 big ones. One of which (big one) is on thur first thing in the morning (9) and no revision.
My instructor wizzes through the powerpoint information, thats how we train, we spent 3 hours on pax evacuations which i felt was wrong. I feel that Dalmac aviation are just conning people out of money and wizzing through courses without proper instruction or care.
Perhaps im exagerating but i've to learn 5 long drills for tomorrows exam and a 10 page hand out. Can you guys tell me if other airlines like EZY, BA, GSM etc spread things out a bit more etc??
I've to do my cabin training, fire and smoke training in STN flying out from PIK but heres the catch i've to fly PIK- DUB stay in DUB every night for 4 days but travel to STN on every one of those days for training.
Im still upset because i doubt im going to pass this exam with a pass mark of 90% im way behind as im not getting enough time to study, its a new topic every day...
Thank you for your help.
How often are there exams i know i've got 4
2 minor and 4 big ones. One of which (big one) is on thur first thing in the morning (9) and no revision.
My instructor wizzes through the powerpoint information, thats how we train, we spent 3 hours on pax evacuations which i felt was wrong. I feel that Dalmac aviation are just conning people out of money and wizzing through courses without proper instruction or care.
Perhaps im exagerating but i've to learn 5 long drills for tomorrows exam and a 10 page hand out. Can you guys tell me if other airlines like EZY, BA, GSM etc spread things out a bit more etc??
I've to do my cabin training, fire and smoke training in STN flying out from PIK but heres the catch i've to fly PIK- DUB stay in DUB every night for 4 days but travel to STN on every one of those days for training.
Im still upset because i doubt im going to pass this exam with a pass mark of 90% im way behind as im not getting enough time to study, its a new topic every day...
Thank you for your help.
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Pandora's box, i agree i am feeling sick, i was crying yesterday as i was in high hopes and the way Dalmac were talking i was guaranteed the job. I was even willing to pay that £1000 for the training. I am on the same boat as you i have to learn all drills for everyone on board, ditching, landing, hijacking, bomb, sabotage, spillage, fire drills. you name it. Its been really tough and i dont want to leave because i have no other job to go to and i dont know where to look for airport jobs as i'd rather just stick to ground staff somewhere in PIK or GLA as i really dont want office work again.
I've got my SEP manual and i was told i have to learn 6 drills for tomorrow, every word perfect for tomorrow plus a passenger evacuation drills etc for tomorrow which i know myself i cannot possibly learn all of them.
so far i've learned
1) Terminology/customer service/ marshalling/boarding
2) First aid
3) Dangerous goods
4) Fire and smoke
5)Security
6)Bomb threats/drills
7)passenger evac
I've had hardly any time to fully learn either as we'd learn i.e topic 1 one day then be expected to sit an exam the next. Bearing in mind i have to learn another topic tomorrow and incorporate everything i've learned into the initial exam on thur and im getting a test tomorrow on topic 7 tomorrow.
Is this normal practice for an airline as this is the first i've worked with?
I really dont mind the whole commuting thing to London but isn't it dodgy with delays etc? Wouldn't it cost me alot?
By the way, i just want to thank everyone for their input it really helps.
Im just wondering if i should leave or stick it out?
I've got my SEP manual and i was told i have to learn 6 drills for tomorrow, every word perfect for tomorrow plus a passenger evacuation drills etc for tomorrow which i know myself i cannot possibly learn all of them.
so far i've learned
1) Terminology/customer service/ marshalling/boarding
2) First aid
3) Dangerous goods
4) Fire and smoke
5)Security
6)Bomb threats/drills
7)passenger evac
I've had hardly any time to fully learn either as we'd learn i.e topic 1 one day then be expected to sit an exam the next. Bearing in mind i have to learn another topic tomorrow and incorporate everything i've learned into the initial exam on thur and im getting a test tomorrow on topic 7 tomorrow.
Is this normal practice for an airline as this is the first i've worked with?
I really dont mind the whole commuting thing to London but isn't it dodgy with delays etc? Wouldn't it cost me alot?
By the way, i just want to thank everyone for their input it really helps.
Im just wondering if i should leave or stick it out?
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Not dodgy if you leave enough time.For longhaul,you wouldnt be commuting up and down that much anyway so you would probably earn enough to cover it.
My initial training,it was hard going.But i never ever wanted to leave.If youre thinking about leaving,there is a reason why.Get yourself a job with a temping agency for now,there are plenty of other airline/airport jobs out there - people might even still be recruiting for the summer.
My initial training,it was hard going.But i never ever wanted to leave.If youre thinking about leaving,there is a reason why.Get yourself a job with a temping agency for now,there are plenty of other airline/airport jobs out there - people might even still be recruiting for the summer.
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At the end of the day you have to make the decision if you want to stay or leave, nobody else can make it for you chick.
But you sound miserable and that's one very good reason to leave.
On the other hand money might be a good reason to stay.
You have to weigh it up for yourself.
Have you tried easyjet at all? They have a base in GLA and EDI but even if you can't have one of those you can apply for wherever and put in for a transfer after 6 months probation.
Their training is thourough and can be hard but the trainers are supportive and nice.
And like everybody else said, there's plenty of other airlines if this one doesn't suit you...
Good luck.
But you sound miserable and that's one very good reason to leave.
On the other hand money might be a good reason to stay.
You have to weigh it up for yourself.
Have you tried easyjet at all? They have a base in GLA and EDI but even if you can't have one of those you can apply for wherever and put in for a transfer after 6 months probation.
Their training is thourough and can be hard but the trainers are supportive and nice.
And like everybody else said, there's plenty of other airlines if this one doesn't suit you...
Good luck.
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Maybe i am just overreacting because it is a high volume of study? Still it is alot with exams every day, is that normal for airlines or just FR?
Do you guys know any airlines that are recruiting just now for GLA/EDI or a base which has alot of flights going to Glasgow if i were to work long haul?
I just dont want to have training like this though :S
Do you guys know any airlines that are recruiting just now for GLA/EDI or a base which has alot of flights going to Glasgow if i were to work long haul?
I just dont want to have training like this though :S
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To be honest commander, i think what you are saying sounds just the same as any airlines training. i have only worked for 1 airline, but have a lot of friends at different airlines and all the training seems very similar...things are covered quickly and you are expected to take a lot in and then be tested on it, sometimes the same day, sometimes the next. You cannot possibly have a social life while undertaking this training. You have to eat, sleep and breathe cabin crew!
personally, i loved this!! i was willing to put in the extra time every spare second of every day, and believe me...if you think training is hard - wait till you're online with pre-flight briefings, and the thought that an emergency could occur at any second and YOU will have to deal with it. it doesn't necessarily get easier per say.
If you are so so miserable, there's no point staying. But as someone else mentioned, money issues could be a big enough reason for you personally to stick it out. Nobody can tell you what to do but we can advise, and i know that if i was feeling as stressed and upset as you seem to be. I wouldn't stay.
All the best chick!! welcome to aviation! (i think it's like marmite!! lol)
personally, i loved this!! i was willing to put in the extra time every spare second of every day, and believe me...if you think training is hard - wait till you're online with pre-flight briefings, and the thought that an emergency could occur at any second and YOU will have to deal with it. it doesn't necessarily get easier per say.
If you are so so miserable, there's no point staying. But as someone else mentioned, money issues could be a big enough reason for you personally to stick it out. Nobody can tell you what to do but we can advise, and i know that if i was feeling as stressed and upset as you seem to be. I wouldn't stay.
All the best chick!! welcome to aviation! (i think it's like marmite!! lol)
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I have to agree with Vodkaholic, you either love the job or hate!
I've been flying for just over 10 years and i've been an instructor for the last 4. You sound like you really want to do the job Commander and i'm impressed by all the studying you have put in but as Vodkaholic has said it's all very different when you get into the crew for your briefing and if (heaven forbid) you have an emergency onboard.
However if you haven't been given the correct and relavant info in training you are going to struggle. This, i know isn't your fault but it needs to be addrssed before you get online, because if you fail a briefing you may find yourself back in the class room with the same inept trainers that you had for your intial training!
I don't mean to patronise you, and please don't think i am.
Have you ever thought about a move to Newcstle? It's an up and coming airport with lots of good airlines, and it's not that far from Scotland
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I've been flying for just over 10 years and i've been an instructor for the last 4. You sound like you really want to do the job Commander and i'm impressed by all the studying you have put in but as Vodkaholic has said it's all very different when you get into the crew for your briefing and if (heaven forbid) you have an emergency onboard.
However if you haven't been given the correct and relavant info in training you are going to struggle. This, i know isn't your fault but it needs to be addrssed before you get online, because if you fail a briefing you may find yourself back in the class room with the same inept trainers that you had for your intial training!
I don't mean to patronise you, and please don't think i am.
Have you ever thought about a move to Newcstle? It's an up and coming airport with lots of good airlines, and it's not that far from Scotland
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I dont think i really want to move from here but i am just going to stick it out and carry on with my studying as i can only do my best, i put in 5 hours per night if not more at weekends. I cant say im not trying its just the volume is getting ontop of me
Will keep you posted.
P.S do you know of any jobs going in GLA?
Will keep you posted.
P.S do you know of any jobs going in GLA?