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To be fair, it is a cabin crew thread on a professional pilots site!! Now do try and post in a manner so as not to offend OUR new flybe colleagues. It sounds good all round so be positive, give it a good shot and sure if you don't like it than you can do something about it.
If you haven't had a roster from EXT then wait til you get one, it could be top notch - if its not then complain like mad!
From what I have seen there is absolutely nothing amateur about flybe. There is a massive amount of work going on in the background and there is bound to be the odd mistake - give them a break and a bit of support.
To be fair, it is a cabin crew thread on a professional pilots site!! Now do try and post in a manner so as not to offend OUR new flybe colleagues. It sounds good all round so be positive, give it a good shot and sure if you don't like it than you can do something about it.
If you haven't had a roster from EXT then wait til you get one, it could be top notch - if its not then complain like mad!
From what I have seen there is absolutely nothing amateur about flybe. There is a massive amount of work going on in the background and there is bound to be the odd mistake - give them a break and a bit of support.
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Thanks Anotherspaceman, nice to hear that it isn't all moaning and whingeing from our new friends. Good to have you and your like minded colleagues wih us. Now this greasy rag will remove himself from the upper echelon of the aviation world before poor old OFB has a fit. Why on earth do we need licenced engineers anyway?!!
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Thanks spaceman for backing your new colleague up, nice to have someone on side. OFB yes your right this is a cabin crew thread and I'm cabin crew (imagine that amateur cabin crew finding their way around an aviation website
) What annoys me is that a lot of the amateur cabin crew you refer to have come from other major airlines (airlines you could only dream about) A lot were made redundant and didn't have the options you have or their arses kissed along the way (they were shown the door with a pat on the back) others have chosen Flybe for personal lifestyle reasons such as being at a regional airport close to friends and family. So i will offer you my best advise and loss the "your better than us" attitude it stinks
And it will go down like a lead balloon online.
) What annoys me is that a lot of the amateur cabin crew you refer to have come from other major airlines (airlines you could only dream about) A lot were made redundant and didn't have the options you have or their arses kissed along the way (they were shown the door with a pat on the back) others have chosen Flybe for personal lifestyle reasons such as being at a regional airport close to friends and family. So i will offer you my best advise and loss the "your better than us" attitude it stinks And it will go down like a lead balloon online.
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Now Dusty you are very welcome to the support -but calm down - don't take the bait - and don't be sarcastic, you are only winding him up!
He just needs a gentle education, which flybe will deliver in due course
Big chill pill
He just needs a gentle education, which flybe will deliver in due course
Big chill pill
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I am chilled just educating the man on that not everyone is there cause they can't get a job with an another airline, which seams to be a lot of people's perception of us. I was even speaking to some BAcon crew the other day who seamed shocked that a lot of us had moved from other airlines to be with Flybe. Even more shocked that some came from the world that is BA. We have all served our time at other airlines and joined Flybe for a better lifestyle or just a job and at the bottom of the seniority list (touchy subject).
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Well folks, lot of you seem to be getting areated over my last post, so first up, my apologies if I offended anyone, not intended, but having re-read it, I can understand your comments.Sackcloth and Ashes in the OFB household for a while then.
For info, I am well aware how everyone contributes, and of course all of us, including myself, will work 100% to the success of the company we are joining. Having said that is it wrong to seek the best for everyone, and have concerns about what the future looks like? NO!
LOTS of super folk have lost jobs through this, ops, crew control, customer services, ramp services, managers, the list is endless. And of course I am lucky to have a job.Won't stop me empathising with them and wishing things were different though.
However the truth is that everyone I know would all still love to be working for BA. We understand the reasons why we are not, but don't put us down for having concerns about what flybe are about. It's natural, this transition period is full of uncertainty for us as well as you guys in flybe I am sure.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If it all works out, super, and this oldflyboy will eat humble pie and apologise to everyone if flybe turn out to be the promised land.
And dustybin, I was not referring to my new or old colleagues when I talked about ameteurs................ Apologies if it was read that way, its about process and communication and style, not people.
beaverman, no offence intended, when you have been flying as long as I have of course we are are of how important EVERYONE is, but engineers do whinge as well, I know cause I've worked alongside them for so many years. Quoth" Oh God another full page of cabin defects" etc! Perhaps we can share a pint or two in the future and discuss the merits of communication?
Spaceman, thanks for the comments, but my first para should cover your concerns. We will do our best, will welcome everyone into the new Flybe, ex BACON crew room and look forward, but forgive us the occassional glance over the shoulder please!
Also it's nice to see more contributors on this even if they are slagging me off!
Safe Flying.
For info, I am well aware how everyone contributes, and of course all of us, including myself, will work 100% to the success of the company we are joining. Having said that is it wrong to seek the best for everyone, and have concerns about what the future looks like? NO!
LOTS of super folk have lost jobs through this, ops, crew control, customer services, ramp services, managers, the list is endless. And of course I am lucky to have a job.Won't stop me empathising with them and wishing things were different though.
However the truth is that everyone I know would all still love to be working for BA. We understand the reasons why we are not, but don't put us down for having concerns about what flybe are about. It's natural, this transition period is full of uncertainty for us as well as you guys in flybe I am sure.
The proof of the pudding is in the eating. If it all works out, super, and this oldflyboy will eat humble pie and apologise to everyone if flybe turn out to be the promised land.
And dustybin, I was not referring to my new or old colleagues when I talked about ameteurs................ Apologies if it was read that way, its about process and communication and style, not people.
beaverman, no offence intended, when you have been flying as long as I have of course we are are of how important EVERYONE is, but engineers do whinge as well, I know cause I've worked alongside them for so many years. Quoth" Oh God another full page of cabin defects" etc! Perhaps we can share a pint or two in the future and discuss the merits of communication?
Spaceman, thanks for the comments, but my first para should cover your concerns. We will do our best, will welcome everyone into the new Flybe, ex BACON crew room and look forward, but forgive us the occassional glance over the shoulder please!
Also it's nice to see more contributors on this even if they are slagging me off!
Safe Flying.
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Sounds like you hit a few flybe nerves
with regard to.......
I can't see that one happening, not the market for them there.
But hey there are plenty of jobs with easyjet at many other places with direct entry Seniors. Anyway less of the job advertising.
You agree with you that as BACON guys I am sure you are concerned (especially after whats happened as BRS)
I must confess I have also ripped into flybe a little in this thread due to my experiance at flybe when i was there. And in fairnessI had a good time there, but bad ones to (I think to prevent an argument I wont say to much)
I think for BACON it will take a few months to settle into flybe, then it will be interesting to see how the feelings are then.
With regard to whats the cabin Services Manager or some of the managers is like, i need to keep somethings to myself
Thats a whole other story.
Sounds like you hit a few flybe nerves
with regard to.......
C'mon AA, get Stelios to open a base here!!
But hey there are plenty of jobs with easyjet at many other places with direct entry Seniors. Anyway less of the job advertising.
You agree with you that as BACON guys I am sure you are concerned (especially after whats happened as BRS)
I must confess I have also ripped into flybe a little in this thread due to my experiance at flybe when i was there. And in fairnessI had a good time there, but bad ones to (I think to prevent an argument I wont say to much)
I think for BACON it will take a few months to settle into flybe, then it will be interesting to see how the feelings are then.
With regard to whats the cabin Services Manager or some of the managers is like, i need to keep somethings to myself
Thats a whole other story.
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Q400 No nosewheel landing
Here is a interesting video for you flybe guys on the Q400, and for you BACON guys going onto the Q400
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...tm?bw=bb&mp=wm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/new...tm?bw=bb&mp=wm
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Nice link.
Reminds me a bit about the old ATPs, I reckon we had a one in five chance of getting a landing minus one of the gear units on those. Many lucky crews got the chance to ride the old bus along the runway on one flap!
Nice landing BTW, he looked like he could have taxied the thing in it was that smooth.
BTW no rosters yet, but if Rashers go to live roster, they'll see their days off and ground courses shown in there. Hope that helps.
Reminds me a bit about the old ATPs, I reckon we had a one in five chance of getting a landing minus one of the gear units on those. Many lucky crews got the chance to ride the old bus along the runway on one flap!
Nice landing BTW, he looked like he could have taxied the thing in it was that smooth.
BTW no rosters yet, but if Rashers go to live roster, they'll see their days off and ground courses shown in there. Hope that helps.
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Flaps
Here ya go again
boll*cks - how many landings did we do in an ATP?
How many nose gear failures - 1
How many main gear failures - 2
@rse!
Now I know the flaps are going to open soon but try and keep it together!!
Here ya go again
"one in five chance of getting a landing minus one of the gear units"
How many nose gear failures - 1
How many main gear failures - 2
Many lucky crews got the chance to ride the old bus along the runway on one flap!
Now I know the flaps are going to open soon but try and keep it together!!
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Doh!
I should have said that when you looked at the number of hulls that had a problem with gear (5), the number of hulls we had at the time (15) and the one in five assumption adds up. BAe did no mods or ever really found out what was causing it, so the odds on another one happening were very high.
I did 3 1/5 years and 1500hrs just waiting for my turn, and luckily it didn't happen to me. Fortunately the 146 got in the way first.
As to landing technique, even with all the wheels down, it was more of a lottery than camelot can manage!
Anyway, back to topic, eh.
Anyone actually got their uniforms yet?
I should have said that when you looked at the number of hulls that had a problem with gear (5), the number of hulls we had at the time (15) and the one in five assumption adds up. BAe did no mods or ever really found out what was causing it, so the odds on another one happening were very high.
I did 3 1/5 years and 1500hrs just waiting for my turn, and luckily it didn't happen to me. Fortunately the 146 got in the way first.
As to landing technique, even with all the wheels down, it was more of a lottery than camelot can manage!
Anyway, back to topic, eh.
Anyone actually got their uniforms yet?
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got my welcome to flybe course coming up....should be interesting!!!i dont actually know whats being covered on it,but im sure it wont be dissimilar to the "service delivery course" we all went through 12 months ago.I dont know if anyone has been given their uniform yet...supposed to be in it as of next Sunday.
wonder if oldflyboy can shed some light??
wonder if oldflyboy can shed some light??