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Lowerlobe - With the username "jetstarFA" you would assume I am a JQ Flight Attendant.... I guess my sense of humour was lost within the forum---
THE FACTS - (Not classified info as all awards can be found on the web if you look hard enough)
As Yr 3 FA
Base $41,077
Commisson $200 per month
tax free O/N allowances $88 per night (average 6 -8 per month)
Overtime 1.5 and 2.0 over 10 hours
Live day rates $25.18 per hour
Day off Draft $250 - 2 per month MAX
CM upgrade duties $28.14 per hour (1 or 2 a month every so often)
Shoe allowance $12(per pay)
Missed Rest Break payments ($80 - $100 per month)
15 days sick leave
6 weeks annual leave
Full Staff Travel
Probably missed 1 or 2 but off the top of my head thats the juice.
All this adds up and at the end of the day all JQ f/a know what we get paid.... The service that Ditzy said is a 5-20 min if we are lucky....
My Pay Slip today was $1682.90 net as I had a couple of live days and O/T on there... Not bad for LCC...
Puts food on the table for the kids I know that much
THE FACTS - (Not classified info as all awards can be found on the web if you look hard enough)
As Yr 3 FA
Base $41,077
Commisson $200 per month
tax free O/N allowances $88 per night (average 6 -8 per month)
Overtime 1.5 and 2.0 over 10 hours
Live day rates $25.18 per hour
Day off Draft $250 - 2 per month MAX
CM upgrade duties $28.14 per hour (1 or 2 a month every so often)
Shoe allowance $12(per pay)
Missed Rest Break payments ($80 - $100 per month)
15 days sick leave
6 weeks annual leave
Full Staff Travel
Probably missed 1 or 2 but off the top of my head thats the juice.
All this adds up and at the end of the day all JQ f/a know what we get paid.... The service that Ditzy said is a 5-20 min if we are lucky....
My Pay Slip today was $1682.90 net as I had a couple of live days and O/T on there... Not bad for LCC...
Puts food on the table for the kids I know that much
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Thanks for those figures, they confirm what someone told me a while back.
Not too bad I must say.
As these figures are for domestic ops, I will be very interested to see what the long haul crew end up earning when they are in full swing.
Not too bad I must say.
As these figures are for domestic ops, I will be very interested to see what the long haul crew end up earning when they are in full swing.
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Twiggs, I had to laugh when I read your post regarding the tax rates applicable in Australia.Your simplistic cut and paste of the tax rates mirrors your view on life.
Unfortunately, the issues that face us are usually a little more complex. Only you would suggest let alone try to condense the many volumes that are the Australian Tax laws into a paragraph with approximately 50 words.
If the tax system was that simple then we would have no need for accountants and our tax returns could be completed in less than 5 minutes. Unfortunately our tax situations are as individual as we are. You only have to look at how little some of our more wealthy members of society pay compared to others. I noticed that you did not even bother to acknowledge RedTbar’s apology and that is a pity.
It is interesting to see the pay scales at J* and you can see why Darth wants so badly to reduce the conditions for the new sibling’s Australian based crew and introduce a Thai base.
On another note there were some interesting ads during the week on flights to Thailand. The figures for J* International return were basically the same for Thai airlines and the latter is a full service airline and includes some accommodation .The argument that the lower pay for staff is for the benefit of the traveler seems to be a load of the proverbial.
Unfortunately, the issues that face us are usually a little more complex. Only you would suggest let alone try to condense the many volumes that are the Australian Tax laws into a paragraph with approximately 50 words.
If the tax system was that simple then we would have no need for accountants and our tax returns could be completed in less than 5 minutes. Unfortunately our tax situations are as individual as we are. You only have to look at how little some of our more wealthy members of society pay compared to others. I noticed that you did not even bother to acknowledge RedTbar’s apology and that is a pity.
It is interesting to see the pay scales at J* and you can see why Darth wants so badly to reduce the conditions for the new sibling’s Australian based crew and introduce a Thai base.
On another note there were some interesting ads during the week on flights to Thailand. The figures for J* International return were basically the same for Thai airlines and the latter is a full service airline and includes some accommodation .The argument that the lower pay for staff is for the benefit of the traveler seems to be a load of the proverbial.
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How bout a reality check. You must be doing big sales to consistently get 200 to 300 per month commission.
Working 2 days off most months?
6 to 8 overnights every month?
Think about who is reading this site!!!!!
We are definately never overpaid and what happens when the day off drafts dry up and no overnights think about the drop in pay then!
How bout a reality check. You must be doing big sales to consistently get 200 to 300 per month commission.
Working 2 days off most months?
6 to 8 overnights every month?
Think about who is reading this site!!!!!
We are definately never overpaid and what happens when the day off drafts dry up and no overnights think about the drop in pay then!
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Blokehostie -
I guess you didn't read the post properly so instead of answering I will bang my head against a brick wall......
cut and paste from the EBA..... all figures were approx.... If you want the real figures I can meet you for a coffee and we can go through the last financial year of my payslips for further clarification or I can give my kiosk login.....
I guess you didn't read the post properly so instead of answering I will bang my head against a brick wall......
cut and paste from the EBA..... all figures were approx.... If you want the real figures I can meet you for a coffee and we can go through the last financial year of my payslips for further clarification or I can give my kiosk login.....
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If you look in Todays (Sunday) papers you will see ads for SIA and full service flights to Thailand etc...emphasising full service and blankets and pillows for basically the same as the new fares for J* international.
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Yes............
In a few years time dixon and his hench men will announce the failure of jetscar international, have all the aircraft re-painted in QF colours, issue new uniforms to crew and have these "new" Qantas aircrew operating for third world [or worse], terms and condtions.
Ala Australian Airlines......
In a few years time dixon and his hench men will announce the failure of jetscar international, have all the aircraft re-painted in QF colours, issue new uniforms to crew and have these "new" Qantas aircrew operating for third world [or worse], terms and condtions.
Ala Australian Airlines......
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Don't take this personally
Pink,
Imagine if you will that J* or the parent company is not happy with it’s cost infrastructure.This was the case with AO so they gave birth to J*.
Now they have this new airline called AirDarth and they pay the staff less than they pay you guys.So they start giving your flying to AirDarth and your job is looking a bit shaky.
They tell you that if you want to continue with your jobs you will have to be more productive.This is another way of telling you to work more hours for less pay while the execs are lining their pockets with almost immoral bonus’s.
Would you be rapt in the new airline and it’s success?
Our company has/had nothing to do with VB so that is another matter.
In essence I have pointed out that the media line of cutting staff costs has nothing to do with a better deal for the punter as the ads for SIA and Thai have so glaringly exposed.Are you happy about the announcement of a Thai base for cabin crew?
It is not you that I am having a shot at,it is the hypocritical rubbish that they come out with day after day.
I have just done a computer based course which mentions the positive aspect and advantage of the unique Australian culture in cabin crew and their interaction with the customer.This is called “Where the experience is everything”
Then in the same breath they hire foreign nationals as cabin crew in overseas bases and tell you that Australian crew are too expensive and you will lose some of your flying.I honestly do not know how they can look at themselves in the mirror every morning.
Imagine if you will that J* or the parent company is not happy with it’s cost infrastructure.This was the case with AO so they gave birth to J*.
Now they have this new airline called AirDarth and they pay the staff less than they pay you guys.So they start giving your flying to AirDarth and your job is looking a bit shaky.
They tell you that if you want to continue with your jobs you will have to be more productive.This is another way of telling you to work more hours for less pay while the execs are lining their pockets with almost immoral bonus’s.
Would you be rapt in the new airline and it’s success?
Our company has/had nothing to do with VB so that is another matter.
In essence I have pointed out that the media line of cutting staff costs has nothing to do with a better deal for the punter as the ads for SIA and Thai have so glaringly exposed.Are you happy about the announcement of a Thai base for cabin crew?
It is not you that I am having a shot at,it is the hypocritical rubbish that they come out with day after day.
I have just done a computer based course which mentions the positive aspect and advantage of the unique Australian culture in cabin crew and their interaction with the customer.This is called “Where the experience is everything”
Then in the same breath they hire foreign nationals as cabin crew in overseas bases and tell you that Australian crew are too expensive and you will lose some of your flying.I honestly do not know how they can look at themselves in the mirror every morning.
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have you ever heard of an airline......
people are not winging about MAM or QF on here because its a Jetstar thread!
The pay is not bad.. for what we do, in terms of service, its good.
the job itself is very easy.. its just exhausting and slightly demoralising.
The crew and their friendliness and 'family atmosphere' are prob some of the best in the industry... but management are pathetic.
this pay is definatley liveable. i couldnt imagine working in a crappy 9-5 job, or ground shiftworking job working more hours for the same pay and no benefits.
Like everyone else has said though, you have to love the job to be able to do this for a career. i dont know why, esp when i look at the ridiculous things that the company come up with.. ('haveyoueverheardofanairline.....?')
but i do love my job and the people i work with and i must just be a glutton for punnishment, because the **** just kind of bounces off me, and the crap we deal with kind of motivates me to keep going
(dont worry.. i will be seeking therapy as soon as i can get in to the EAP)
i think it will soon be a different story though for newer recruits... when they begin to start reducing the 'benefits' and/or start bringing them in on a different award.
MrSeatback2 - do you think this will happen eventually? How can it not?
and when is the next part time intake.... someone told me that there would be another one in 6 months!!
The pay is not bad.. for what we do, in terms of service, its good.
the job itself is very easy.. its just exhausting and slightly demoralising.
The crew and their friendliness and 'family atmosphere' are prob some of the best in the industry... but management are pathetic.
this pay is definatley liveable. i couldnt imagine working in a crappy 9-5 job, or ground shiftworking job working more hours for the same pay and no benefits.
Like everyone else has said though, you have to love the job to be able to do this for a career. i dont know why, esp when i look at the ridiculous things that the company come up with.. ('haveyoueverheardofanairline.....?')
but i do love my job and the people i work with and i must just be a glutton for punnishment, because the **** just kind of bounces off me, and the crap we deal with kind of motivates me to keep going
(dont worry.. i will be seeking therapy as soon as i can get in to the EAP)
i think it will soon be a different story though for newer recruits... when they begin to start reducing the 'benefits' and/or start bringing them in on a different award.
MrSeatback2 - do you think this will happen eventually? How can it not?
and when is the next part time intake.... someone told me that there would be another one in 6 months!!
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Spotted Jetstar Asia Crew in CNS
Saw the whole crew from Jetstar Asia in CNS the other day, now they are doing the SIN-DRW-CNS run, they are well and truly here operating and overnighting in CNS. Lovely crew, nothing against them, but have everything against GD. This route was operated by Australian based crew, be it QF SH or AO, now it's gone to overseas based poor cheap labours. Sad!!! With the Jetstar Asia aircraft, they covered the 'Asia' bit so it doesn't attract too much attentions, sad!!! How many more routes will be lost to overseas based crew? When is it going to stop? Why don't they replace the most costly GD with a CEO from India? Since they've done that to the IT department. That'll save QF heaps of money.
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Route Losses
Before AO Jetstar or Regional/Domestic were just gleams in King Rats eye, QF Longhaul were pioneering all these routes on 200 Series Jumbos...20 years ago
We had slips in TSV and CNS was like a second home.
We knew KIX NGO like the back of our hand
Perhaps now you know how it feels to lose destinations and routes.
We had slips in TSV and CNS was like a second home.
We knew KIX NGO like the back of our hand
Perhaps now you know how it feels to lose destinations and routes.
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my sentiments exactly surfside.....
now they know how we feel and why we are so passionate about the loss of traditional flying to divisions and other groups that continually try and undercut us.
now they know how we feel and why we are so passionate about the loss of traditional flying to divisions and other groups that continually try and undercut us.
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You are right... the benchmark was set by QF Long Haul pioneering these roots 20 years ago when most of us were still running around the backyard in our Transformer outfits...
Remember that JQ Cabin Crew have as Much power as QF crew LH and SH and AO crew... NONE...
We all accept that flying in this day and age is subject to the controls and narcissistic ambitions of QF/JQ/AO managers who couldn't care less for the crew and just want to line Senior Management pockets with a few more crisp $100 bills...
If I had my way I would be flying like QF crew did back in the 80's and 90's but I, unfortunately, have as much control over my flying and the direction and future of my flying career, as the rest of you do.....
If we as a unit of Cabin Crew QF/AO/JQ were a united group we could make a difference. But we are not, and the divide that continues to pit us against each other will grow and QF management, will have an ununited worforce and will further be able to errode the conditions and quality of flying that we all dreamed about, and which is the reason why we still continue to go to work most days...
Next time you see a JQ crew member pax on a mainline flight or on staff travel (not that we ever admit it as we are too scared) please remember that we don't want to take anyones jobs or take away your flying lines....We just want to fly and hopefully have a job that we love in the next 10 years..
Remember that JQ Cabin Crew have as Much power as QF crew LH and SH and AO crew... NONE...
We all accept that flying in this day and age is subject to the controls and narcissistic ambitions of QF/JQ/AO managers who couldn't care less for the crew and just want to line Senior Management pockets with a few more crisp $100 bills...
If I had my way I would be flying like QF crew did back in the 80's and 90's but I, unfortunately, have as much control over my flying and the direction and future of my flying career, as the rest of you do.....
If we as a unit of Cabin Crew QF/AO/JQ were a united group we could make a difference. But we are not, and the divide that continues to pit us against each other will grow and QF management, will have an ununited worforce and will further be able to errode the conditions and quality of flying that we all dreamed about, and which is the reason why we still continue to go to work most days...
Next time you see a JQ crew member pax on a mainline flight or on staff travel (not that we ever admit it as we are too scared) please remember that we don't want to take anyones jobs or take away your flying lines....We just want to fly and hopefully have a job that we love in the next 10 years..
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Missing my point
Surfside6 & Cartexchange, you guys are missing my important point, the vital part of my concern is OVERSEAS based crew taking over the routes, not AUSTRALIAN based crew. Personally I have no issues over losing DPS to JQI, we all know it's the company's decision; it's neither yours nor any other crew’s call. As long as the route shifting is beneficial and is kept in Australia, I'm happy to fly wherever they want me to. But seeing overseas-based crew operating on our soil, it's a scary stuff.
Back to the old story again, we have no intentions of taking anyone's job away, it's all part of the management's game. And just remember, QF LH lost KIX/NGO way long before AO even started, need me say more.
JetstarFA, couldn't have put the words better myself. I can’t speak on other group’s behalf, but you are always welcome on AO operated QF flight, we are all part of QF, you shouldn't have to feel intimidated. Welcome aboard.
Back to the old story again, we have no intentions of taking anyone's job away, it's all part of the management's game. And just remember, QF LH lost KIX/NGO way long before AO even started, need me say more.
JetstarFA, couldn't have put the words better myself. I can’t speak on other group’s behalf, but you are always welcome on AO operated QF flight, we are all part of QF, you shouldn't have to feel intimidated. Welcome aboard.