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Hi,
No idea where HNL hotel/motel is. All the crew member told me it was in the suburbs and about 15-20 min walk to the beach. Hope this helps lowerlobe.
Congrats Flyperth on being successful. I have asked in previous posts and others too. What base? I have a feeling you are international, am I right? There is a ground school starting in Feb.
All the best where ever you go.
No idea where HNL hotel/motel is. All the crew member told me it was in the suburbs and about 15-20 min walk to the beach. Hope this helps lowerlobe.
Congrats Flyperth on being successful. I have asked in previous posts and others too. What base? I have a feeling you are international, am I right? There is a ground school starting in Feb.
All the best where ever you go.
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Looks like Jetstar International have started their marketing campaign.
Was in Osaka, downtown at one of the major train stations and every pillar, billboard and advertising space and more was plastered with Jetstar International material.
Could not turn without seeing a monster poster with a Japanese guy or girl in a snorkel,holding a koala, standing with a kangaroo or hitch hiking along an outback road decked out in Australian style get up!
The ads seem very heavily geared towards the youth / backpacker market.
Not a market I thought was very strong in Japan.
Time will tell if their massive marketing budget pays off.
Raverflaver
Was in Osaka, downtown at one of the major train stations and every pillar, billboard and advertising space and more was plastered with Jetstar International material.
Could not turn without seeing a monster poster with a Japanese guy or girl in a snorkel,holding a koala, standing with a kangaroo or hitch hiking along an outback road decked out in Australian style get up!
The ads seem very heavily geared towards the youth / backpacker market.
Not a market I thought was very strong in Japan.
Time will tell if their massive marketing budget pays off.
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RF, couldn't agree more on the targeted demography, not a suitable one for Japanese. Besides, with all the negative feedbacks from the general public, see http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=259539, I doubt if it's going to be successful. Heard quite a few Japanese inbound tour groups cancelled their bookings with their tour operators in CNS, due to flights operated by JQI, they will come to AUS, but through other ports to avoid flying with JQI. Not a good start at all. Good luck to them. On the other note, marketing in QF is not better either, CX announced doubling frequencies between HKG-CNS 2 weeks ago, AO could have stayed flying that route, but now the market share has been taken over. Shame!!!
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AO skippy:
I agree with you that the marketing is off.. and the international operation isnt as rosy as it sounds, but at same time its not that bad either.
I no longer read the Jetstar related posts in the D&G reporting points etc as it seems to be less focussed on discussion and more on QF pilots and others bagging out JQ... some of the stuff i have read lately is totally ridiculous and so hate related... i have lots of friends who are QF pilots but the guys posting on those threads need to grow up and get over it.. such is life!
(AO Skippy that wasnt directed at you personally either, just a rant at how painful it is to read of grown men behaving like children and nitpicking everything.. always trying to stir a fight. )
I agree with you that the marketing is off.. and the international operation isnt as rosy as it sounds, but at same time its not that bad either.
I no longer read the Jetstar related posts in the D&G reporting points etc as it seems to be less focussed on discussion and more on QF pilots and others bagging out JQ... some of the stuff i have read lately is totally ridiculous and so hate related... i have lots of friends who are QF pilots but the guys posting on those threads need to grow up and get over it.. such is life!
(AO Skippy that wasnt directed at you personally either, just a rant at how painful it is to read of grown men behaving like children and nitpicking everything.. always trying to stir a fight. )
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No worries, no offense taken. I understand exactly what you mean. I have nothing against JQ/JQI, I just hope QF management makes wise decisions instead of making costly and incorrectable mistakes then cry over spillt milk.
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Yes i agree.. however i think its not just QF mainline making these decisions.. Jetstar Mgmt (stemming down from QF mgmt) are just as tainted... so frustrating when its sometimes just LITTLE things that could be changed for the good of everyone. so stubborn and with blinkers on!
The entire QF group is mad. i dont know how they operate the way they do...
The entire QF group is mad. i dont know how they operate the way they do...
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Maybe I am the last to know everything....... But JQI is going to KL from September.
I just went through the web site as if I was purchasing a ticket. Fares from $89. I put in that I wanted a meal, comfort pack and Video player, came to $561.14 in total for return airfares.
I thought it was interesting
On another note.......
In Sydney we are losing a FAAA rep!
Come on people there must be someone from Sydney who reads this thread who would like a go at the job. We are need good representation!
I just went through the web site as if I was purchasing a ticket. Fares from $89. I put in that I wanted a meal, comfort pack and Video player, came to $561.14 in total for return airfares.
I thought it was interesting
On another note.......
In Sydney we are losing a FAAA rep!
Come on people there must be someone from Sydney who reads this thread who would like a go at the job. We are need good representation!
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Well Vince you should become the rep - All that extra time now being part time and all.....
Just joking...
We need strong representation but at the end of the day the MAC BANK buy out and QF execs will want to see the days of strong union representation a thing of the past...
YES, unions protects our rights and ensure fantastic working conditions,,, But companies these days want to get the plane from A to Z via the rest of the alphabet without hindurance from Unions reps and with "yes men" employess down the back with their mouths shut......
Just joking...We need strong representation but at the end of the day the MAC BANK buy out and QF execs will want to see the days of strong union representation a thing of the past...
YES, unions protects our rights and ensure fantastic working conditions,,, But companies these days want to get the plane from A to Z via the rest of the alphabet without hindurance from Unions reps and with "yes men" employess down the back with their mouths shut......
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Management HAVE ALWAYS wanted yes men and a compliant workforce that they can bully, intimidate and exploit at will.
Ten years of the Howard government have eroded the power of the union movement to the point where this situation is now the norm.
Wage earners have the ability to reverse this trend and return fairness and balance to the Australian workforce.
It's called, the vote.
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I would have confidence if current union reps didn't say " Oh , you don't need payment for that dispensation" as they themselves are company yes men....and allow JQ to do duties which are supposed to be a 1 off and now become the norm
I grow tired of yes men and reps that roll over and lift their tail everytime a manager walks past....(not all reps - Just generalising) and crew.
I have said in previous posts we need a unified workforce yet day after day we all bend over and take our pants off
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FACT - We as a nation put Johnny Boy in power,,, but time and time again we lift our tails and allow the organisation to screw us....
I grow tired of yes men and reps that roll over and lift their tail everytime a manager walks past....(not all reps - Just generalising) and crew.
I have said in previous posts we need a unified workforce yet day after day we all bend over and take our pants off
... FACT - We as a nation put Johnny Boy in power,,, but time and time again we lift our tails and allow the organisation to screw us....
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Sorry JetstarFA no union rep for me.
I don't think I could handle giving out the dispos - that are handed out all too often!
I would be too emotive!
Yes, my part time has arrived- after 2 1/2 years!
I am going to enjoy it. Sorry.
I agree about the 'Yes men'. It happens all too often.
We need to band together even more.
I don't think I could handle giving out the dispos - that are handed out all too often!
I would be too emotive!
Yes, my part time has arrived- after 2 1/2 years!
I am going to enjoy it. Sorry.I agree about the 'Yes men'. It happens all too often.
We need to band together even more.
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Woh woh woh...hold it right there, people...
And you would know just how many dispo's are knocked back then, jetstarFA? You know, if there's one thing that annoys me more than anything else about my workplace, is crew like yourself jetstarFA who see fit to call people names and generalise amongst the reps...'Yes men'? Oh really...obviously haven't been on the end of one our phone calls to management then! I know all the reps really enjoy having to debate dispensations, etc. with certain management staff in their time off, whilst at the gym, or with their family, or whilst they're trying to get some sleep at 6 in the morning before a late shift....
Would you care to discuss which specific recent instances have occurred where dispo's have been granted with no additional payment? Bearing in mind that not every dispo is about MONETARY payment...sometimes it's an SDO, or additional rest instead.
Sorry, but as a rep I take the 'yes men' tag as a personal affront to everything I, and other reps like JK, have worked so much to achieve. But there will always be knockers not willing to take over, won't there?! The effort and time the role of being a rep takes up outside of the workplace is enormous...some people just won't ever get it.
You know - it's a funny thing - but despite the number of years I've been here, people still think I - and the other reps - get paid extra.
News flash people - it's all voluntary, free of charge, no glory, nothing extra. Doesn't matter if our rest is interrupted by phone calls from members being pulled into disciplinaries, crew stuck in the middle of nowhere, and so on...we're on call, and we do it to help out others.
Really? Is that before or after crew do their own side deals with the company and crewing?
It's all fair and well blaming the reps and the FAAA for this, that and other...but sometimes we are our own worst enemy by doing our own deals with crewing. It happens more often than I care to think about, and does more harm to our group than any dispensation ever could.
The key to our future is educating the new, (and not always young) ones to adhere to, and know, our EBA. The complacency that crew have towards their own EBA is the problem.
You know...out of spite, I could very well give up my rep position too...I don't need this crap. I don't know anyone who gives up their free time and days off to help out other work colleagues for nothing.
If I did, though...who would take over?
...the silence is deafening...
"I would have confidence if current union reps didn't say " Oh , you don't need payment for that dispensation" as they themselves are company yes men....and allow JQ to do duties which are supposed to be a 1 off and now become the norm
I grow tired of yes men and reps that roll over and lift their tail everytime a manager walks past....(not all reps - Just generalising) and crew."
I grow tired of yes men and reps that roll over and lift their tail everytime a manager walks past....(not all reps - Just generalising) and crew."
Would you care to discuss which specific recent instances have occurred where dispo's have been granted with no additional payment? Bearing in mind that not every dispo is about MONETARY payment...sometimes it's an SDO, or additional rest instead.
Sorry, but as a rep I take the 'yes men' tag as a personal affront to everything I, and other reps like JK, have worked so much to achieve. But there will always be knockers not willing to take over, won't there?! The effort and time the role of being a rep takes up outside of the workplace is enormous...some people just won't ever get it.
You know - it's a funny thing - but despite the number of years I've been here, people still think I - and the other reps - get paid extra.
News flash people - it's all voluntary, free of charge, no glory, nothing extra. Doesn't matter if our rest is interrupted by phone calls from members being pulled into disciplinaries, crew stuck in the middle of nowhere, and so on...we're on call, and we do it to help out others.
"We need to band together even more."
It's all fair and well blaming the reps and the FAAA for this, that and other...but sometimes we are our own worst enemy by doing our own deals with crewing. It happens more often than I care to think about, and does more harm to our group than any dispensation ever could.
The key to our future is educating the new, (and not always young) ones to adhere to, and know, our EBA. The complacency that crew have towards their own EBA is the problem.
You know...out of spite, I could very well give up my rep position too...I don't need this crap. I don't know anyone who gives up their free time and days off to help out other work colleagues for nothing.
If I did, though...who would take over?
...the silence is deafening...
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Well Mr Seatback I did say in my original post that I was generalising...
"Yes Men" is a generalising and not directed at an "ACTUAL" man or men....Sorry you took it personally but I would assume that as a Union rep that you would be a little more thick skinned...
Remember not to fire the proverbial gun at the poster.... Consider it constructive feedback.....
Once again the previous post stated
"YES, unions protects our rights and ensure fantastic working conditions,,, But companies these days want to get the plane from A to Z via the rest of the alphabet without hindurance from Unions reps and with "yes men" employess down the back with their mouths shut......"
"Yes Men" is a generalising and not directed at an "ACTUAL" man or men....Sorry you took it personally but I would assume that as a Union rep that you would be a little more thick skinned...
Remember not to fire the proverbial gun at the poster.... Consider it constructive feedback.....
Once again the previous post stated
"YES, unions protects our rights and ensure fantastic working conditions,,, But companies these days want to get the plane from A to Z via the rest of the alphabet without hindurance from Unions reps and with "yes men" employess down the back with their mouths shut......"
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Loved your post.
Unfortunately the side deals are also being done with QF long haul, the amount of our crew doing the same is quite high.
On my last trip there was a FA that made up his own "deal" with his CCTM and Operations.
I agree that this action is the real problem
Loved your post.
Unfortunately the side deals are also being done with QF long haul, the amount of our crew doing the same is quite high.
On my last trip there was a FA that made up his own "deal" with his CCTM and Operations.
I agree that this action is the real problem
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The previous post as stated?...
Then which reps would you be talking about, since you make it clear in THAT post you are talking about reps? Splitting hairs? It's a matter of honour at stake (yeah, I know, honour...)
If it's not directed at anyone, then why use it? Thick skinned? I'd need to have the skin of Lisa Curry Kenny not to let this slide past!
Personally? Yes...I consider my work very personal, since it's linked to my personal attributes to help out others, support other crew, and so on. When a generalising term is used to degrade my work, I'm sorry, but that's when it becomes personal.
As for constructive feedback...what...calling people 'yes men' is constructive?
Oy vey...
"" Oh , you don't need payment for that dispensation" as they themselves are company yes men"
""Yes Men" is a generalising and not directed at an "ACTUAL" man or men....Sorry you took it personally but I would assume that as a Union rep that you would be a little more thick skinned...
Remember not to fire the proverbial gun at the poster.... Consider it constructive feedback....."
Remember not to fire the proverbial gun at the poster.... Consider it constructive feedback....."
Personally? Yes...I consider my work very personal, since it's linked to my personal attributes to help out others, support other crew, and so on. When a generalising term is used to degrade my work, I'm sorry, but that's when it becomes personal.
As for constructive feedback...what...calling people 'yes men' is constructive?
Oy vey...