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Not Probable
There is no provision in either EBA for cross crewing (LH/DOMESTIC)so its not probable.....just hypothetical and emotionally charged.So you need to be very careful.
Your post is a cop out.
Your post is a cop out.
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I think that Twiggs is probably correct as open hostility would leave the perpetrators subject to the threat of disciplinatory action.
You would most likely be "sent to Conventry" and find your slip time very lonely.
Officious types are likely to find themselves walking off aircraft wearing only one shoe..........
You would most likely be "sent to Conventry" and find your slip time very lonely.
Officious types are likely to find themselves walking off aircraft wearing only one shoe..........
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Yes Mostie,
I am aware of the effects of the S/H EBA on L/H, but that does not mean S/H went out to intentionally undermine our flying.
All I am saying is that the majority of L/H crew have nothing against S/H crew personally, and if a situation arose where we had to work side by side, we would do so professionally.
You people forget that a majority of L/H crew voted for an EBA, which opened the door for the LHR base, on the basis that it was recommended by our FAAA at the time and the scare tactics of the company.
S/H voted for their EBA based on similar recommendations.
I am aware of the effects of the S/H EBA on L/H, but that does not mean S/H went out to intentionally undermine our flying.
All I am saying is that the majority of L/H crew have nothing against S/H crew personally, and if a situation arose where we had to work side by side, we would do so professionally.
You people forget that a majority of L/H crew voted for an EBA, which opened the door for the LHR base, on the basis that it was recommended by our FAAA at the time and the scare tactics of the company.
S/H voted for their EBA based on similar recommendations.
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Fuel on the Fire
Twiggs YOU ARE WRONG.
EBAs have no jurisdiction in foreign ports.
Just as the FAAA has no jurisdiction in foreign ports.
Qantas was well within its rights to establish these bases and there was no legal challenge to be made.
Get your facts right...the EBA did not vote for these bases but rather limit their scope.
You my little friend are nothing more than "agent provocateur"
EBAs have no jurisdiction in foreign ports.
Just as the FAAA has no jurisdiction in foreign ports.
Qantas was well within its rights to establish these bases and there was no legal challenge to be made.
Get your facts right...the EBA did not vote for these bases but rather limit their scope.
You my little friend are nothing more than "agent provocateur"
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So it was just a coincidence that the LHR base was set up to coincide with the expiration date of the foreign base cap?
Butterfield8, I was referring to EBA6 that removed the foreign base cap.
Butterfield8, I was referring to EBA6 that removed the foreign base cap.
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Deliberate
Of course it wasnt a coincidence...it was the company's intention to have UNLIMITED size of their foreign bases.The FAAA thru' the EBA was able to have the expiration date of the cap extended.
You appear not to be very well informed.
Bone up on the facts before entering into a discussuion.
You appear not to be very well informed.
Bone up on the facts before entering into a discussuion.
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Butterfield8,
I am referring only to voting for EBA6 which inserted an expiration date for the foreign base cap.
I am not referring to voting for EBA7 which was damage control.
I am referring only to voting for EBA6 which inserted an expiration date for the foreign base cap.
I am not referring to voting for EBA7 which was damage control.
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Lets keep this thread
Thanks Tightslot for cooling this down a bit
As I have said before I think this forum gives us an opportunity to have a healthy debate on issues that affect all of our futures but some “agent provocateurs” here are only interested in rattling the cage and having the thread banned so let’s ignore the trouble makers.
On another matter has everyone noticed how our leader LG has been quiet of late? We used to see quite a lot of her when she first started but now it is quite the opposite.
It is also interesting to see on the CIS screen that the company would like L/H F/a’s and BFirst crew to take LSL on the next roster which covers the holiday season but not over the actual Christmas week or it will be directed…it seems as though as usual the company wants to have it’s Christmas cake and eat it too.
With the number of crew that took VR this is unusual in that with the extra flying that normally takes place over this period and more than 200 crew in these categories leaving that the company would have enough crew to meet the demand…..makes you wonder doesn’t it…
As I have said before I think this forum gives us an opportunity to have a healthy debate on issues that affect all of our futures but some “agent provocateurs” here are only interested in rattling the cage and having the thread banned so let’s ignore the trouble makers.
On another matter has everyone noticed how our leader LG has been quiet of late? We used to see quite a lot of her when she first started but now it is quite the opposite.
It is also interesting to see on the CIS screen that the company would like L/H F/a’s and BFirst crew to take LSL on the next roster which covers the holiday season but not over the actual Christmas week or it will be directed…it seems as though as usual the company wants to have it’s Christmas cake and eat it too.
With the number of crew that took VR this is unusual in that with the extra flying that normally takes place over this period and more than 200 crew in these categories leaving that the company would have enough crew to meet the demand…..makes you wonder doesn’t it…
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Twiggs,
I have to agree with the other guys,
there is a huge amount of resentment against either the short haul FAAA and or the S Haul crew members who voted to support the changes.
The changes being S Haul stopping long haul from getting the band payments if they transferred, the deafening silence from the S/H FAAA in supporting the LHaul FAAA in opposing the LHR base and S Haul jumping at the chance to take some of our flying when they saw what was happenning to their flying with J*
I do believe if we had to work with S Haul CSMs you are correct no one would knowingly cause trouble but I think the CSM would have to be very careful. There would be the potential for crew to dob at the first opportunity.
I have nothing agains S Haul CSMs myself but I have heard the dreadful stories that a lot - not all (and not those that transferred over from L Haul have allegedly changed the culture) rule with an iron fist. This feedback has come from ex S Haulers who have transferred across.
It might lighten some of those hard liners (if they exist) to lighten up , relax and unwind if they fly with longhaul crew
I have to agree with the other guys,
there is a huge amount of resentment against either the short haul FAAA and or the S Haul crew members who voted to support the changes.
The changes being S Haul stopping long haul from getting the band payments if they transferred, the deafening silence from the S/H FAAA in supporting the LHaul FAAA in opposing the LHR base and S Haul jumping at the chance to take some of our flying when they saw what was happenning to their flying with J*
I do believe if we had to work with S Haul CSMs you are correct no one would knowingly cause trouble but I think the CSM would have to be very careful. There would be the potential for crew to dob at the first opportunity.
I have nothing agains S Haul CSMs myself but I have heard the dreadful stories that a lot - not all (and not those that transferred over from L Haul have allegedly changed the culture) rule with an iron fist. This feedback has come from ex S Haulers who have transferred across.
It might lighten some of those hard liners (if they exist) to lighten up , relax and unwind if they fly with longhaul crew
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I agree that there is some animosity toward the S/H union, but my point was that it is not directed specifically at the crew themselves. (and should not be)
I mentioned the EBA6 vote to demonstrate that L/H also voted in an EBA which had drastic consequences down the track, but unfortunately Butterfield8 got a bit emotional because I was misinterpreted as criticizing the vote for EBA7 and the debate got sidetracked.
I mentioned the EBA6 vote to demonstrate that L/H also voted in an EBA which had drastic consequences down the track, but unfortunately Butterfield8 got a bit emotional because I was misinterpreted as criticizing the vote for EBA7 and the debate got sidetracked.
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akl csm /css
to upper deck cabin, training for csm/css crew from akl base began 3 weeks ago in melbourne.
400 more short haul mam casuals are on the way, training schools
begin 1 weeks time for beginning of new intake.
mgmt still taking expressions of interest from s/h crew re vr
cns qf crew now on manila run
looks like mgmt didn't get anywhere near enough senior crew to
take vr so expect another one in financial year 07/08 when more
compensation from a380 delay arrives
re mam intake, lots of mandarin/cantonese speakers, spoke to one
today seemed to think it was legal requirment for language speakers
to be on these trips...told her no legal minimum language speakers
400 more short haul mam casuals are on the way, training schools
begin 1 weeks time for beginning of new intake.
mgmt still taking expressions of interest from s/h crew re vr
cns qf crew now on manila run
looks like mgmt didn't get anywhere near enough senior crew to
take vr so expect another one in financial year 07/08 when more
compensation from a380 delay arrives
re mam intake, lots of mandarin/cantonese speakers, spoke to one
today seemed to think it was legal requirment for language speakers
to be on these trips...told her no legal minimum language speakers
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Alison Webster denied that QF had plans to do this less than three weeks ago.
Now that I think about it, her lips were moving. So it must have been a lie.
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Our Managers are more like Politicians !
I'm priddy green when it comes to posting, though I have been a reader of pPrune for a while.
Can someone please explain where Twiggs is coming from?
Is he/she crew?
Is he/she a complany plant?
Is he/she just "having a piece of everyone"?
Trying to follow the logic is like listening to the 5th race at the Dapto Dishlickers!
Anyway...........
I too heard the base mgr say that.. "there were NO plans to make-up CSM's for the AKL base". She said this when she was on a flight from SIN in Sep.
So now( like the pollies ) we will have the spin doctors come out and "rework" her statement to:" ......having CSM's in our AKL base will drive productivity and efficiencies that will ultimately ensure the long term survival of Qantas ".
Can someone please explain where Twiggs is coming from?
Is he/she crew?
Is he/she a complany plant?
Is he/she just "having a piece of everyone"?
Trying to follow the logic is like listening to the 5th race at the Dapto Dishlickers!
Anyway...........
I too heard the base mgr say that.. "there were NO plans to make-up CSM's for the AKL base". She said this when she was on a flight from SIN in Sep.
So now( like the pollies ) we will have the spin doctors come out and "rework" her statement to:" ......having CSM's in our AKL base will drive productivity and efficiencies that will ultimately ensure the long term survival of Qantas ".
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If half of these rumours are true and to be honest you have to take some of them with a grain of salt then our bid books in 18 months time will be very thin.
Let me see will I do a LHR trip...oops sorry I forgot the LHR base do all of those now.
Will I do a NRT..oops those S/H crew do them now..
Mmmmm No HNL trips anymore...
Well,there are JNB's and one LAX trip per day...I forgot the Mexican crew do the JFK/Dallas shuttles out LAX..
What the heck I'll bid for a SYD/MEL/ADL/PER/SIN ....slip 12 hours then back again the same way..
Sad isn't it when you work for a company for 30 years and all that loyalty is paid back with Darths brand of loyalty
The funny thing is that S/H used to mean domestic flying and now means any trip under 5 days...hang on that will be our flying in 18 months as well.
I can see Darths logic,he will offer us a life if we merge with S/H and accept their conditions and then after a year or two (maybe...probably less) he will say the same thing if we merge with J*and accept their conditions...Then re-spray the whole thing QF and bob's your uncle
Let me see will I do a LHR trip...oops sorry I forgot the LHR base do all of those now.
Will I do a NRT..oops those S/H crew do them now..
Mmmmm No HNL trips anymore...
Well,there are JNB's and one LAX trip per day...I forgot the Mexican crew do the JFK/Dallas shuttles out LAX..
What the heck I'll bid for a SYD/MEL/ADL/PER/SIN ....slip 12 hours then back again the same way..
Sad isn't it when you work for a company for 30 years and all that loyalty is paid back with Darths brand of loyalty
The funny thing is that S/H used to mean domestic flying and now means any trip under 5 days...hang on that will be our flying in 18 months as well.
I can see Darths logic,he will offer us a life if we merge with S/H and accept their conditions and then after a year or two (maybe...probably less) he will say the same thing if we merge with J*and accept their conditions...Then re-spray the whole thing QF and bob's your uncle
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JQ Int rumour?
Is it true that the JQ Cabin Manager training/conversion is 3 days in length-TOTAL.
Makes the Qf CSM training upgrade look like an MBA in comparison.
They are dream'in if they think they can ram thru a training class in that time ( if this rumour is INDEED true! ).
What about all the documentation stuff for the States, Leadership, Incident handling etc etc.??
I would not like to be a punter on board if one of their A-320's had to make a diversion say to.................Phnom Penh!!!!
At least you'll probably be able to but cheap Avgas there.
Makes the Qf CSM training upgrade look like an MBA in comparison.
They are dream'in if they think they can ram thru a training class in that time ( if this rumour is INDEED true! ).
What about all the documentation stuff for the States, Leadership, Incident handling etc etc.??
I would not like to be a punter on board if one of their A-320's had to make a diversion say to.................Phnom Penh!!!!
At least you'll probably be able to but cheap Avgas there.