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Christmas Day
Guys,
From what I understand the following are operating on the 25th:
ANU
MCO
IAH - Late one
KIN
BGI - although this is still operated by our WW colleagues.
Can't locate any SH flying at the moment but stand to be corrected.
BTW, lots of people I spoke to today had ASBY on Christmas Day for the whole 6 hours, nice........
From what I understand the following are operating on the 25th:
ANU
MCO
IAH - Late one
KIN
BGI - although this is still operated by our WW colleagues.
Can't locate any SH flying at the moment but stand to be corrected.
BTW, lots of people I spoke to today had ASBY on Christmas Day for the whole 6 hours, nice........
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babcn,
There is, you'll be pleased to know, a swap book located on the 3rd floor by the sign-in computers where you can leave details of your roster.
Although not sure many would want to give up what they have for STBY's specially over the Christmas Period.
Definately give it a go though.
YD
There is, you'll be pleased to know, a swap book located on the 3rd floor by the sign-in computers where you can leave details of your roster.
Although not sure many would want to give up what they have for STBY's specially over the Christmas Period.
Definately give it a go though.
YD
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hiya..i'm looking for more help! lol! Got standby (home) start of next week and aparently we can call scheduling to see if they can fill it in advance...just tried and i selected option 4 then "hash" to get put thru...it gives an automated msg then nothing....just silence for ages so i hung up! Dunno wot to do now!? any help?
Thanx again...paxy X
Thanx again...paxy X
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Hello again! Yes you can ask them if they have anything for you in advance, usually one or two days in advance is the best time as when people go sick their rosters are wiped for the following two days. so if for example I have sby on the 25th of november, some trips will already be available on the 23rd and maybe some more on the 24th....if you know what I mean!
Also scheduling works mon-fri 0830-1600 I think (could be 1630) so you won't find anybody there for "issues beyond tomorrow" (option 4). Out of hours they only have ppl covering the shifts for urgent things. Hope this helps!
Also scheduling works mon-fri 0830-1600 I think (could be 1630) so you won't find anybody there for "issues beyond tomorrow" (option 4). Out of hours they only have ppl covering the shifts for urgent things. Hope this helps!
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Paxy,
Just to let you know, rosters are wiped on a rolling three day basis when people are sick so work normally becomes available then.
Use the 'voice' number, select option 4, then as you say press '#' to speak to an advisor. From what I remember they are there from 0830 til 1630. If you get a blank line hang up and try again. It seems to 'hang' occassionally, especially after 1600. Perhaps they don't want to speak to anyone then! This is only for work after day 2. ie not today or tomorrow.
They are always very nice, and try to help as much as possible.
They are other ways to get more work but, they are something you have to learn as you go along
YD
Just to let you know, rosters are wiped on a rolling three day basis when people are sick so work normally becomes available then.
Use the 'voice' number, select option 4, then as you say press '#' to speak to an advisor. From what I remember they are there from 0830 til 1630. If you get a blank line hang up and try again. It seems to 'hang' occassionally, especially after 1600. Perhaps they don't want to speak to anyone then! This is only for work after day 2. ie not today or tomorrow.
They are always very nice, and try to help as much as possible.
They are other ways to get more work but, they are something you have to learn as you go along
YD
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hello, just to change the subject, i was just wondering how British Airways felt if a cabin crew member took on a casual job outside of BA that didn't interfere or conflict with your normal cabin crew roster/duties!
is it against your contract to take on another job?
thanks in advance!
is it against your contract to take on another job?
thanks in advance!
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sammyjayne,
I believe the official company line is that you are only allowed to hold another job if it does not interfere with your role, or involve a conflict of interests.
Most don't so all you need to do is inform your line manager what you are doing. In the case of SF, that is your Performance Manager.
Hope this helps
YD
I believe the official company line is that you are only allowed to hold another job if it does not interfere with your role, or involve a conflict of interests.
Most don't so all you need to do is inform your line manager what you are doing. In the case of SF, that is your Performance Manager.
Hope this helps
YD
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No Shorthaul flights operating on Christmas Day , if you are on Sby and want to fly best bet is too phone week before onwards as some crew will go sick for both Xmas and New year !!
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NSP - Negotiations
Just got back from yet another, wrist slashing, airport standby.
However,
upon speaking to one of the union rep's it seems like the NSP negotiations, although not being talked about at the moment, may have a favourable outcome
for those of us at LGW.
They also said that if you nightstop GVA please put in a report about the noise situation at the hotel. The company need 10 days of consecutive reports to start looking at moving the hotel.
On the breakfast front, the company and the unions are on a serious failure to agree. The company has offered 9p to go on the flight rate which works out at about 13.00 a month extra
Obviously this has got to be unacceptable to all crew. Thats just about enough to cover the cost of one breakfast. Especially shocking as the breakfast clause is in our MOA.
Don't know what happens next, but ACAS can't be far away.
Keep hold of those receipts for the breakfasts you have bought, and let's all try and put a claim in when it is resolved.
However,
upon speaking to one of the union rep's it seems like the NSP negotiations, although not being talked about at the moment, may have a favourable outcome
for those of us at LGW.They also said that if you nightstop GVA please put in a report about the noise situation at the hotel. The company need 10 days of consecutive reports to start looking at moving the hotel.
On the breakfast front, the company and the unions are on a serious failure to agree. The company has offered 9p to go on the flight rate which works out at about 13.00 a month extra
Obviously this has got to be unacceptable to all crew. Thats just about enough to cover the cost of one breakfast. Especially shocking as the breakfast clause is in our MOA.Don't know what happens next, but ACAS can't be far away.
Keep hold of those receipts for the breakfasts you have bought, and let's all try and put a claim in when it is resolved.
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Are more long-haul routes likely to come back to LGW?
LGW used to have something like 45 L/H destinations in the 90's, if I am not wrong, when a possible merger with AA made BA transfer slots from LHR to LGW.
Someone says Mauritius, Dubai and NYC are in the process of being implemented..
How about adding some flights to South America? We do not fly to many destinations there...
Any ideas?
-S.
LGW used to have something like 45 L/H destinations in the 90's, if I am not wrong, when a possible merger with AA made BA transfer slots from LHR to LGW.
Someone says Mauritius, Dubai and NYC are in the process of being implemented..
How about adding some flights to South America? We do not fly to many destinations there...Any ideas?
-S.
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Simon,
Unfortunately the days of loads of longhaul at LGW are long gone.
and I wouldn't hold your breath for a MRU, NYC, or anything else if I were you.
However, the opening of the POS was good news for LGW, so let's hope I am proved wrong and more work does filter it's way to LGW.
YD
Unfortunately the days of loads of longhaul at LGW are long gone.
and I wouldn't hold your breath for a MRU, NYC, or anything else if I were you.However, the opening of the POS was good news for LGW, so let's hope I am proved wrong and more work does filter it's way to LGW.
YD
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There will be more shorthaul but doubtful any of them will be night stops. Future plans are on hold till 2008 when the board will review how much money 2006-2008 amounts to. In the meantime I imagine that the ramp staff will get the boot in favour of a contracter, the loss of several hundred jobs may improve the chances of new aircraft and then maybe more LH routes in 2009.
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HZ123,
Surely that will cost loads of money to get rid of all the staff on the ramp. Many have been there years and the redundancy payments would be huge. Why would they want to do that if, as all the doom mongerers say, we will be shut down when T5 opens.
I have noticed recently though that the notion of Centralised Load Control is coming. That will save some money, the dispatchers aren't happy though. And why should they be.....
No one really knows whats going to happen with LGW, who could've seen the Flybe BA connect thing a year ago. The only thing that keeps me going is we now have a relocation clause in our MOA.
YD
Surely that will cost loads of money to get rid of all the staff on the ramp. Many have been there years and the redundancy payments would be huge. Why would they want to do that if, as all the doom mongerers say, we will be shut down when T5 opens.
I have noticed recently though that the notion of Centralised Load Control is coming. That will save some money, the dispatchers aren't happy though. And why should they be.....
No one really knows whats going to happen with LGW, who could've seen the Flybe BA connect thing a year ago. The only thing that keeps me going is we now have a relocation clause in our MOA.
YD
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Our provision of ground handling at LHR / LGW costs about 35-40% more than the task performed by servisair / globeground or the like. BA staff fail to perform very well in addition and baulk at most moves to add, correct or update work practices. You are aware that BA have lost the ground handling of GB at LGW. Even if Aviance can only equal the previous performance it is still a huge saving to GB. The total ground at LHR / LGW is in excess of 3000 staff and consider the plus on the staff count and the reduction on the pension plan. LGW staff (ramp) have a worse attitude than LHR who display a little flexibility. As for redundancy BA need only'TUPE' them into another company and give that company a large cheque to overcome the teething problems. From CC view the less BA staff at LGW the better their chances of more profit and long term sustainability.
CLC in itself has yet to prove whether it saves monies and just how much it saves, as the LGW / LHR are BA staffed; CLC Berlin is a GHA. What it may do long term is enable BA to outsource the lot to another company once again taking numbers off the staff total bottom line, it cannot cost more than it does now and a number of major airlines already use independant CLC companies with reasonable success.
The dispatchers now the'TRM's' were never happy anyway and this change of role is driven by the HSE and should make their position safer, even if the ramp is outsourced. There is a futher cut of 150 LGW staff before March 31 2007 but in general LGW is in profit.
I do not wish to paint a pessimistic picture but aviation is always in a bad way particularly large airline companies that take a very long time to change to market forces, have an expensive workforce and are competing against enovative and cheaper competition i.e.Emirates, Eihad EOS Maxjet & OASIS to name a few. Keep thinking positively.
CLC in itself has yet to prove whether it saves monies and just how much it saves, as the LGW / LHR are BA staffed; CLC Berlin is a GHA. What it may do long term is enable BA to outsource the lot to another company once again taking numbers off the staff total bottom line, it cannot cost more than it does now and a number of major airlines already use independant CLC companies with reasonable success.
The dispatchers now the'TRM's' were never happy anyway and this change of role is driven by the HSE and should make their position safer, even if the ramp is outsourced. There is a futher cut of 150 LGW staff before March 31 2007 but in general LGW is in profit.
I do not wish to paint a pessimistic picture but aviation is always in a bad way particularly large airline companies that take a very long time to change to market forces, have an expensive workforce and are competing against enovative and cheaper competition i.e.Emirates, Eihad EOS Maxjet & OASIS to name a few. Keep thinking positively.
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Thanks for that HZ123,
When I was working for the dark side, it was always one of my main bugbears why the Company never outsourced it's ramp work. The only argument that higher management could come up with was, 'well it would cost too much to get rid of all those staff', and 'they could never get the same level of committment from an outsourced company'. I always said that was a rubbish argument. However that seems to be the way management think.
From what I can see is no-one seems brave enough to tackle the really outdated working practices the exist on the ramp. When some were tackled recently, the whole operation ran so badly it was a farce.
Would they not have to be part of a seperate company to be TUPE'd into another Company. At the moment don't they all work for BA?
And on the whole HZ123, I am always really positive.
YD
When I was working for the dark side, it was always one of my main bugbears why the Company never outsourced it's ramp work. The only argument that higher management could come up with was, 'well it would cost too much to get rid of all those staff', and 'they could never get the same level of committment from an outsourced company'. I always said that was a rubbish argument. However that seems to be the way management think.
From what I can see is no-one seems brave enough to tackle the really outdated working practices the exist on the ramp. When some were tackled recently, the whole operation ran so badly it was a farce.
Would they not have to be part of a seperate company to be TUPE'd into another Company. At the moment don't they all work for BA?
And on the whole HZ123, I am always really positive.
YD
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BA will have to start competing with other Carriers at LGW eith scheduled, charter or no frills on Longhaul flights ! We will all have to wait and see what they do ! BA losing part of GB ground handling contract surprises me even though WW doesnt like franchises , so watch the space on that one !
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Oh and despite the plane was boarded and ready for doors to be closed at -10minutes, the loadsheet arrived at +10minutes, ten minutes later than our pushback time which would have happened on time otherwise. Guess who pays for the delays though Rubbish argument though as sometimes I do not see the difference between our own staff and 3rd party sourced staff who couldn't care less about BA or its passengers. So I agree and disagree with you at the same time.