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Gib, the plane was stationary and engines off (for the n'th time)
Re actual effect of phones, if there was a real risk, all phones would need to be handed in/checked they have been turned off prior to take-off.
Instead as someone above said, many passengers leave phones on while in bags throughout the whole flight without any problem (except for Gibs 747 crashing into a mountain of course)
Re actual effect of phones, if there was a real risk, all phones would need to be handed in/checked they have been turned off prior to take-off.
Instead as someone above said, many passengers leave phones on while in bags throughout the whole flight without any problem (except for Gibs 747 crashing into a mountain of course)
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Originally Posted by gib
a singapore airlines B747 crashed into a mountain because of a pax using a mobile phone
WE DONT MAKE UP THE RULES AS WE GO IF YOU WANT TO USE A MOBILE WHILE TRAVLING GO BY
BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE DONT MAKE UP THE RULES AS WE GO IF YOU WANT TO USE A MOBILE WHILE TRAVLING GO BY
BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! www.airsafe.com/events/models/boeing.htm
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In-flight use of Mobile Phones.
Originally Posted by sukigirl
However have heard that some airlines are begginning to allow the use of mobiles in flight as some a/c are being fitted with certain equipment to stop the interference. can anyone shed some light on this?
The transmitter power used by a mobile phone is related to its distance from the base station. As the base station detects the signal from the phone weakening, it instructs the phone to turn up its transmitter power. This is primarily to manage battery life.
On board an aircraft, the pico cell would be so close that the phone's power would almost always be minimal, so minimising any chance of interference with aircraft systems. Another effect, arguably less desirable, would be the maximising of "talk time" from the phone's battery charge.
Aircraft undergoing test and certification are frequently flown stuffed with electronic equipment and a complement of engineers, many of whom have cellphones stuck to their ears as they talk to colleagues on the ground. The aircraft fly on and get certified.
The laws of physics don't change when a PAX uses a phone.
Naturally, when a PAX, I obey all the rules that are imposed on me, even though I know that it would be safe to use a phone. It's their aircraft and their rules, not mine.
As with exploding filling stations, much of this seems to be urban myth.
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Originally Posted by gib
a singapore airlines B747 crashed into a mountain because of a pax using a mobile phone
WE DONT MAKE UP THE RULES AS WE GO IF YOU WANT TO USE A MOBILE WHILE TRAVLING GO BY BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE DONT MAKE UP THE RULES AS WE GO IF YOU WANT TO USE A MOBILE WHILE TRAVLING GO BY
BOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So Gib - just who are you suggesting was using a mobile phone? And where is this mountain then?
It was an appalling crash and the only one shown against SQ.
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Sounds like the FA was on a power trip as is so often the case with the airline I used to work for. There is no excuse for rudeness and abruptness. I have seen it all so many times with crew shouting at pax and generally letting their naiveity and lack of people skills shine through and the mobile phone scenario is a classic case.
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Mobile phones !!
Was just checking Fares on Ryan Air and to my surprise , I clicked onto this link :
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/inpag...BILE&pos=STRAP
Also Announced that BMI , Will be offering passenger's the same service in 2007 .
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/inpag...BILE&pos=STRAP
Also Announced that BMI , Will be offering passenger's the same service in 2007 .
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The end of the safety argument?
Has Ryanair finally laid to rest the argument about mobile phone safety on aircraft? (Also see my post #24 above.)
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Wotcha gonna do if Ryanair allows mobiles in flight from next year? there goes that theory huh?..also a Boeing product. SO get off your high horse and think before transmitting
Every now and then when soneone goes to creat a rule just because they can and they like to enforce it and not becasuse there is a valid reason I remember a proverb that says leadership shows the real caractere (sp) of the person.
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PS it's fun or weird how GiB has not appear since.
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PS it's fun or weird how GiB has not appear since.
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Well I had a pax yesterday texting her boyfreind at 35,000 ft! trying oh so carefully to hide it under the tray table!
THE RULES ARE THERE FOR A REASON!, We dont ask you to do things just to be awkward!
I tend to tell the gruesome truth to those naughty passengers, like how would they like to be trodden over by 300 pax all trying to get out in an emergency, whilst they're lying on the floor after tripping over thier bag, ooh and Babies not in their extension seatbelts is my favourite!
Just please remember we will b*tch about you in the galley after
xx
THE RULES ARE THERE FOR A REASON!, We dont ask you to do things just to be awkward!
I tend to tell the gruesome truth to those naughty passengers, like how would they like to be trodden over by 300 pax all trying to get out in an emergency, whilst they're lying on the floor after tripping over thier bag, ooh and Babies not in their extension seatbelts is my favourite!
Just please remember we will b*tch about you in the galley after
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PS - also have you noticed how your PC screen goes funny when you recieve a call or message on your mobile?? Imagine 300 mobile phones and what its doing to the flight decks computers!
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Actually, F_H, it's not doing a lot to the aircraft's computers. The system Ryanair are going to be using is a product developed jointly by SITA and Airbus, called Onair (oh the irony of an Airbus product being put onto a Ryanair Boeing!).
At least one of the aircraft manufacturers has tested the effect of mobile phones on the systems of the aircraft with little effect. It has always been a case of belt and braces safety - a case of let's not risk it, just in case. Well, with pico-cell technology limiting the signal strength of the mobile phone by effectively carrying a cellphone node on the aircraft... well other than having someone shouting "I'm on the plane" into their phone, there will be no negative effect.
Onair have been working at this for a number of years and it may end up being a very successful product. I have done some work with them and the only thing which is going to be very annoying is going to be the inability for the system to turn the cellphones into silent mode (or off completely). So, expect the Fasten Seatbelt / No Smoking signs to be progressively replaced with Fasten Seatbelt / No Mobile Phone signs!
At least one of the aircraft manufacturers has tested the effect of mobile phones on the systems of the aircraft with little effect. It has always been a case of belt and braces safety - a case of let's not risk it, just in case. Well, with pico-cell technology limiting the signal strength of the mobile phone by effectively carrying a cellphone node on the aircraft... well other than having someone shouting "I'm on the plane" into their phone, there will be no negative effect.
Onair have been working at this for a number of years and it may end up being a very successful product. I have done some work with them and the only thing which is going to be very annoying is going to be the inability for the system to turn the cellphones into silent mode (or off completely). So, expect the Fasten Seatbelt / No Smoking signs to be progressively replaced with Fasten Seatbelt / No Mobile Phone signs!
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Panda, as you said the system RyanAir are "going" to be using.. until that day arrives I will still be following my SEP manual, and if people are incapable of following our instructions may they feel my rath! lol..
Im sure it will be a fantastic product, but its not being used yet SO SWITCH YOUR BL**DY PHONES OFF
XXX
Im sure it will be a fantastic product, but its not being used yet SO SWITCH YOUR BL**DY PHONES OFF
XXX
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And a sad, sad day it may well turn out to be, having umpteen numpties talking into their phones at the same time. 
Still, it'll be another excuse not to put money in the charity collection, won't it (see the other thread!)
If you'd seen some of the things I've done on experimental aircraft, F_H, you'd be horrified. Mobile phones? Hah! Fasten seatbelts? Hah! Sitting down for take off or landing? Hah! (just held onto the "Jesus Christ" handles, which you don't find on real aeroplanes!) Oh and the aircraft didn't have slides... just a knotted rope to climb down.
Still, I do pity you policing these blooming things when they do come into service.
Still, it'll be another excuse not to put money in the charity collection, won't it (see the other thread!)
If you'd seen some of the things I've done on experimental aircraft, F_H, you'd be horrified. Mobile phones? Hah! Fasten seatbelts? Hah! Sitting down for take off or landing? Hah! (just held onto the "Jesus Christ" handles, which you don't find on real aeroplanes!) Oh and the aircraft didn't have slides... just a knotted rope to climb down.
Still, I do pity you policing these blooming things when they do come into service.
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I personally think the main issue here will be disharmony between unrelated SLF seated next to each other, annoyed by constant yattering.
Perhaps the solution is quiet zones, like Virgin trains if this does go ahead.
I certainly believe that air rage incidents will go up and I pity you lot who will have to deal with it....although that's your problem...all I demand is no sugar, lots of milk and don't forget the ketchup sachets with my main, otherwise the door will remain locked when that fat yank is going off on one to you
Perhaps the solution is quiet zones, like Virgin trains if this does go ahead.
I certainly believe that air rage incidents will go up and I pity you lot who will have to deal with it....although that's your problem...all I demand is no sugar, lots of milk and don't forget the ketchup sachets with my main, otherwise the door will remain locked when that fat yank is going off on one to you