Screaming Virgin doesn't like it rough? (or VA F/A screams during turbulence)
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Some friends of mine were flying that night and ran into the same stuff. Everyone was getting hammered. Their stories about what happened were scary to listen to. Glad I was on the ground that night.
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"Considering most of VA's trips are fairly shortish (i'll be willing to be corrected on this) ..."
Compared to what length of trip?? Their shortest is Lagos at 6 hours, mostly transatlantic (clue is in the name) and far east. Hong Kong or Sydney short enough???
"Considering most of VA's trips are fairly shortish (i'll be willing to be corrected on this) ..."
Compared to what length of trip?? Their shortest is Lagos at 6 hours, mostly transatlantic (clue is in the name) and far east. Hong Kong or Sydney short enough???
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• Severe – 0.5 to 1.5g – Aircraft handling made difficult
• Very severe – above 1.5g – Increasing handling difficulty, structural damage possible
• Very severe – above 1.5g – Increasing handling difficulty, structural damage possible
Those who mention heavy items such as crew ( sorry girls ) hitting the ceiling are probably talking about at least mod to severe if not severe turbulence. 30 minutes of that would cause serious damage to the cabin and most cockpits not to mention the occupants. In my nearly 20 years I have never seen severe turbulence last more than seconds.
Q: When you are planned through an area of known severe turbulence for a long period ( such as most winter eastbound Atlantic trips ) how many of you demand a re-route?
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Q: When you are planned through an area of known severe turbulence for a long period ( such as most winter eastbound Atlantic trips ) how many of you demand a re-route?
Why? Don't you?
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Virgin are saying it was the worst such incident in its 22 years history indicate the severity of the situation.
My understanding of the law is if the seat belt sign is "on", secure the passengers and cabin, then sit down and strap yourself in. Stop passengers from leaving their seats.
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ok SEP definitions of turbulance.........
Light : slight / rapid / rhythmic bumpiness without changes in alt (liquids shaking but not splashing) Little or no difficaulty walking
Mod: similar to light turb but of greater intensity, causes rapid jolts or bumps without appreciable changes in alt (liquids splash and items are dislodged) difficaulty walking
Severe: Turb in which aircraft is violently tossed around (items falling, lifting off the floor, food service impossible) impossible to walk
Light : slight / rapid / rhythmic bumpiness without changes in alt (liquids shaking but not splashing) Little or no difficaulty walking
Mod: similar to light turb but of greater intensity, causes rapid jolts or bumps without appreciable changes in alt (liquids splash and items are dislodged) difficaulty walking
Severe: Turb in which aircraft is violently tossed around (items falling, lifting off the floor, food service impossible) impossible to walk
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My understanding of the law is if the seat belt sign is "on", secure the passengers and cabin, then sit down and strap yourself in. Stop passengers from leaving their seats.
Not always. In my company we have the "Turbulence" procedure, and the "Severe Turbulence" procedure. In the first case, we only get the FSB sign on: we must check the pax SB but don't have to take our seats. In the second case we get the FSB plus an announcement from the F/D "CC, turbulence, take your seats and fasten your SB".
In any case, if the situation is bad, we can ask the F/D to upgrade the procedure from T to ST.
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Originally Posted by sky9
My understanding of the law is if the seat belt sign is "on", secure the passengers and cabin, then sit down and strap yourself in. Stop passengers from leaving their seats.
The legal definition of cabin secure for landing is passengers seated, cabin secured and crew in their jumpseats ready for landing. This same definition does not apply for turbulence.
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The Commander is given "Cabin Secure for Turbulence" which is different to "Cabin Secure for landing" ie the crew are not strapped in. Unless, as Britanniaboy stated, the Flight Crew tell us to sit down and strap in as well.
And to those non-cabin crew on here - have you tried to keep passengers in their seats when the seatbelt sign is on? Theres always some who insist on using the toilets no matter what we say!
And to those non-cabin crew on here - have you tried to keep passengers in their seats when the seatbelt sign is on? Theres always some who insist on using the toilets no matter what we say!
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It wasn't so long ago that a cabin staff member attempted to sue the commander when she injured herself in turbulence as he had allowed here to move around with the seat belt sign on ( I think it was settled out of court) . It's very much on the commanders head.
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I am a currently practising FO with TFly and happened to be on another VS flight at the same time crossing the Atlantic. At the same point (Greenland) we did encounter moderate turbulence for about 40 minutes, with 2 occasions of serious buffet. Being at the back of a 346 it was certainly wild in places, but on the whole I would expect an average day over the Atlantic. It was not much that a period on oxygen could not fix for most! We only had three passengers down for a short while.
For anyone that cares, I hope this helps.
For anyone that cares, I hope this helps.
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Personally, no I don't give cabin secure to the Commander - but then I'm not the in charge! :-P
But yes, we give "Cabin secure for turbulence". Like myself and Tfly said, there is a difference between cabin secure for landing and for turbulence.
Personally, no I don't give cabin secure to the Commander - but then I'm not the in charge! :-P
But yes, we give "Cabin secure for turbulence". Like myself and Tfly said, there is a difference between cabin secure for landing and for turbulence.
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Are the small bumps in the air really just that - or are you moving a few feet at a time?
For example, the plane bounces along the runway as it taxis, and in the air, the bumps aren't often as bad - but because your senses are heightened, they just "feel" worse. So is it all in the mind?
For example, the plane bounces along the runway as it taxis, and in the air, the bumps aren't often as bad - but because your senses are heightened, they just "feel" worse. So is it all in the mind?
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With regard to tech crews grading of severity of turbulence.
I was once listening to Bribane departures/approach who had just received a report from one of B.A.'s unflappable gentlemen reporting a slight but noticable level of turbulence at 10 - 15 thou on climb out.
Approach then called aicraft XYZ on descent had he heard the report?
A pause of about a minute then a repeat of the call, still no reply, a further call, no reply, then finally XYZ called, "sorry for the delay, had to find the phones and mike, they ended up behind the seats, and if that BIG B*****D ever calls moderate I'm walking"
It seems to be a matter of pride never to call severe even when the layer of dust that is usually on the floor is level with your eyebrows and the flies are pinned to the ceiling.
The joys of flying the Eastern seaboard of Aus.on a hot summers day
I was once listening to Bribane departures/approach who had just received a report from one of B.A.'s unflappable gentlemen reporting a slight but noticable level of turbulence at 10 - 15 thou on climb out.
Approach then called aicraft XYZ on descent had he heard the report?
A pause of about a minute then a repeat of the call, still no reply, a further call, no reply, then finally XYZ called, "sorry for the delay, had to find the phones and mike, they ended up behind the seats, and if that BIG B*****D ever calls moderate I'm walking"
It seems to be a matter of pride never to call severe even when the layer of dust that is usually on the floor is level with your eyebrows and the flies are pinned to the ceiling.
The joys of flying the Eastern seaboard of Aus.on a hot summers day
