Will AO crew become JQ Int. or QF Mainline Crew

[crew-use-only]

Here we go again, first the domestic cannabilise us and now this lot have a back door into our jobs.
its like the QF takeover of the old TAA.................faaarrrrk.

Qf skywalker you seem like a good bloke, but look at where all your hard work in maintaining the brand has done you!
You lot have been been done over without the KY and you still cant see it!

AO crew would have been welcomed under our conditions but not yours! all that will do is erode our! Thanks.........

[QF skywalker]

Crew-use-only,

I totally understand your point of view. Our conditions are undercutting yours...and Jetstar is undercutting ours. You also have QFUK base, BKK and AKL base to contend with.

What can we do about it ? Nothing.......

Please welcome AO crew to the QF product....we are sticking with our current routes and you won't notice any changes for time being except a few more red tails at CNS airport.

We will serve the QF brand well - I promise.

[Shlonghaul]

Relax

Hello everyone..... ......it's time to relax & unwind with a cup of piping hot chocolate and not forgetting the marshmallows..... lightly toasted of course........Have'nt the AO crew got lot's to look forward too?!!

[crew-use-only]

shlong that made me laugh...........very good.
QFskyw I'm glad that none of your collegues have lost their jobs.
But your job gain will untimately the loss of my conditions.
I know its wishfull thinking but it would have been great for you guys to have joined us under our conditions.
Hey shlonng I wonder what the AO crew ill think of working with our AKL based crew! I mean they are such hard workers
I wonder if they will cross crew with us or will they be totally seperate... hmm skywalker any ideas on this one

[YONLY]

Call me selfish but I think it is great news. I don't care about the uniform but at least there is some future for us now. After all it is heaps better than working for Jet* International.Will be interesting to see what paskage those flight attendants will be offered.

"gniobe" has a very valid point. QF obviously plans to use us to erode conditions at L/H so now is the time for the FAAA to get organised! We must unite to secure a viable future for all.

It has been great working with everyone at AO and I look forward to embarking on this new journey with you all!

I would just like to respond to the comments about going across to QF on the same conditions as L/H currently enjoy. Mate, I would love that too. If you can organise it for me I will pay you! Could do with working less hours per bid period for more! Only wish I had skipped university and applied straight to QF out of high school.

Do you also honestly think that the BKK, AKL, and now CNS AO base flight attendants like doing the same job as you yet earn less, in some cases a lot less with much worse conditions?

[QF skywalker]

No cross crewing as far as I know. Crew will still operate 763's only. So I guess the only place you will see us is in the terminal in BNE,SYD and SIN - not in the rear galley of 333.

The demise of your conditions began a long time ago with the opening of the BKK/AKL base - please remember that.

I say again.......we will do QF proud.

[cartexchange]

Originally Posted by QF skywalker

The demise of your conditions began a long time ago with the opening of the BKK/AKL base - please remember that.
I say again.......we will do QF proud.

yes they did QFSkywalker, but the intergration of your collegues has only added to it!

Its a catch 22 situation, we are happy that you have not lost your jobs but in the same breath we have to protect our conditions.

Seeing raverflavour in our uniform will kill me! cant he be transferred to Jet* OR send him with our trannies in BKK

[Mr Seatback 2]

YONLY

On what basis do you make the presumption that the AO package is better than Jet* international, considering especially that no crew have been recruited for Jet* international yet?

Shouldn't we wait and see before making such a sweeping statement? One can guess which one may be better, but that's just it...a guess.

crew-use-only...

"QFskyw I'm glad that none of your collegues have lost their jobs.
But your job gain will untimately the loss of my conditions"

And that's QF Skywalkers (and AO crew's) fault HOW? Truth be told, they'd probably be just as happy working for AO as they do now...but that choice has been made for them. One thing for people to put their hand up for work that undercuts yours...quite another if that decision is made without their input.

I believe about 40-odd crew will lose their jobs, but this will not arise from compulsory redundancies, according to the press releases. How do they figure they'll lose 40-odd crew in the transition? Offered jobs at Jet* perhaps? Who knows...

Time for a G&T me thinks. All a bit much.

[YONLY]

I assume that they won't earn more than us, as we are constantly told how cheap their cost base is/will be, and at the moment we don't have to clean the aircraft nor sell food on board... But miracles could happen and you are right, we should wait and see!

[OCCR]

Mr seatback
What you state is correct in a way!
One solution would have been for them to transfer to Jet* that way they would have improved your conditions and not eroded ours and they would have kept their jobs!

[QF skywalker]

sorry occr i didn't think of that when I was discussing my future with the QF executives....stupid me...

i'll get on the phone to Geoff Dixon right now and tell him that I want to transfer to Jet* international

[jetstarFA]

I think that at the end of the day... NONE of us are QF Group of Airlines Management..... NO flight attendant wants lower pay and worse conditions... You are an idiot if you do

I hate my conditions at Jetstar but choose to show up everyday....Just means that someone was at the right interview at the right time... Doesn't make you better than me... I still pull my stockings down before I go to the loo.

I think that YONLY comments about working at JQ International would be a step down from AO...Offensive YES.. True YES... FACT YES???

You are right YONLY... BUT if you would like to swap I am more than happy to do so........

If I had my way I wouldn't be cleaning a filthy plane... I would be eating a crew meal before getting on an airconditioned bus to my 5* hotel.....to pick up my cash $$$ allowance

Instead I fight DJ and JQ pax for the Long term car park bus to fight peak hour traffic to pick my kids up from a park because I can't afford day care.

We would all love hotel night stops, great allowances, and a kick ass pay...

I would,,, GIVE IT TO ME..

But week after week it doesn't happen.....

QF and AO crew.... Good on you.. you have a great deal...... I know 550 cabin crew that would swap with you even if it was for 1 day....... Just to feel a bit better about yourself

[cartexchange]

jetstar FA
At least you guys at Jet* had the guts to stand up to your management and say "no" in your last EBA
Hopefully you conditions will only improve.
Its sad to see our fellow colleagues in Australia on better conditions then our BKK base crew.( a third world country) shame on QF and shame on this government and shame on the Australian public for voting in this government that allows this.( yes by the way, when all allowances and wages are taken into account the Thais are paid more!)
Its a faarrrking disgrace!

[RaverFlaver]

A relief that this wasn't a worse situation.

I think there are a lot of opportunities for crew to choose. With the option of part time, leave and redundancies and assistance with applying to other airlines in the Qantas group.

CartExchange, your comment really doesn't benefit you, it only reflects your lame personality and your lack of respect for fellow crew who work for the same brand as you.

I agree with Mr Seatback, no one knows yet what the Jetstar International pay or conditions will be like, and I think it will be an interest to some crew who wish to head back down south. Not everyone wants to stay in Cairns.

Will be interesting to see what they put together in the next few weeks.

Cheers,

RaverFlaver

[Left2assist]

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"CartExchange, your comment really doesn't benefit you, it only reflects your lame personality and your lack of respect for fellow crew who work for the same brand as you. "

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I had a giggle.

Sawadeecaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaa.

"Brand ?"

Can we spare the [mis] management speak.
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I'm sure we ALL get enough of it at work.

[cartexchange]

yes L2A it was intended that way tongue in cheek trying to make light of the whole thing looks like raver doesn't see it that way!!!!!!!
you can just imagine it though!!! sewaaaaaaaaaassssdeeeeeee ........

[raft rower]

Having read the email sent to all AO crew, I'm a little disconcerted as to the use of the term "wetlease" supplier to QF. To the best of my knowledge, a wet lease generally has a fixed term associated with it. I guess we'll find out soon enough.

[skyshow]

MR SEATBACK 2

On what basis do you make the presumption that the AO package is better than Jet* international, considering especially that no crew have been recruited for Jet* international yet? Shouldn't we wait and see before making such a sweeping statement? One can guess which one may be better, but that's just it...a guess.

Of course Jetstar International will be cheaper. Does anyone have any ideas just how much lower Jetstar International pay will be. For example, rumours are it will be very similar as domestic but obviously with the $80 odd per night away.

Here's an article that will explain it (but have a drink first, its pro GD):

Flying in the face of tradition

By Matthew Stevens
12-04-2006
From: The Australian


WHILE his pilots circle the Federal Court, trying to turn back their industrial relations clock, Geoff Dixon resolutely pushed ahead yesterday with Qantas's plans to create the lowest-cost international airline flying Australian skies.
And no, that will not be Qantas. Dixon's low-cost brand is Jetstar and from November it will replace Australian Airlines as the Flying Kangaroo's low-cost, or in airline speak, "leisure market" operator.
There is a lot to admire about Dixon. He is working in a most unusual industry, if only because a bulk of the international competitors in the long-haul market do not seem to care that much whether they make money or not.
And yet the Qantas team's relentless, stealthy search to balance business growth with improved productivity and cost reduction has shaped a business which usually earns better than its cost of capital. And that is a rare feat in the airline game.
The only arm of Qantas's business which last year fell short of Dixon's primary fiscal ambition was international. The effective transfer of Australian Airlines international routes to Jetstar should help change that. Where Australian lost money last year, Jetstar would have made a comfortable profit.
Why? Because Jetstar's costs are about 30 per cent lower than Australian and a remarkable 40 per cent lower than Qantas.
How is that? Because Jetstar employs its staff under an enterprise agreement completely different to the collection of historical baggage that is Qantas's workplace arrangements. The effect is that Jetstar pays its A320 pilots $148,000 a year. Qantas pays them something closer to $250,000. Jetstar uses fewer cabin crew more efficiently and for less pay than Qantas. And so it goes across the board from maintenance to administration.
Jetstar should be a model for those who continue to carry the flame of workplace reform in Australia. The discount airline was created to clarify and protect the Qantas brand and profit base from the threat of cut-price competition in the domestic market. As the same time it has allowed Qantas to release the hounds of workplace reform. So effective is the Jetstar business model that it was inevitable it would replace Australian.
The key to winning in the discount services game is, obviously, controlling costs of delivery. Like Virgin Blue, Jetstar was able to rewrite the rules, most particularly in its workplace deals. Only Jetstar did even better than Sir Richard Branson's Aussie love child. Jetstar workers do more for less than anyone in Australian airlines.
And, if the endorsement of the new EBA covering international flights by 70 per cent of Jetstar pilots is any guide, the workers don't mind the new world at all.
The old ones, though, are starting to worry and to express their agitation. After failing to interest the AIRC in their case, Qantas pilots went to the Federal Court last month to stop the latest Jetstar pay deal. The Top Guns at Qantas reckon the deal undercut their industry standards and so fails the "no disadvantage test".
Meanwhile Dixon has decided to further test the tolerance of Qantas staff with the intriguing decision to switch 400 Australian Airlines staff into Qantas livery.
Qantas will "wet lease" the Australian fleet. Which means the Australian planes will fly under the Qantas banner, their crews will wear Qantas uniforms and their customers will be booked through Qantas systems. And yet they will be paid less than other Qantas crews.
This puts the various unions covering Qantas in a potentially difficult position. Any sustained protest might well risk 400 redundancies rather than the 40 cuts (no redundancies) Qantas is looking for.
Talking of jobs, given expected regulatory approvals, Jetstar will be on the hunt later this year for 550 new employees including 50-60 pilots, cabin crew, airport management and head office staff. The 30 per cent expansion in Jetstar's number again shows how wrong is the perception that Dixon is a ruthless job cutter. In fact, the strategy for Jetstar keeps Dixon on track to maintain a record of creating about 1000 jobs a year.

And that's QF Skywalkers (and AO crew's) fault HOW? Truth be told, they'd probably be just as happy working for AO as they do now...but that choice has been made for them. One thing for people to put their hand up for work that undercuts yours...quite another if that decision is made without their input.

Spot on. Undercutting Long Haul conditions had already been started by those that CHOSE to do so. AO crew had it chosen for them and their only choice is to stick with it or resign.

[priapism]

All this serves to highlight the importance of jet*crew to fight for a decent EBA not like the dose of dogs droppings offered to them and so justifiably rejected.

Good luck guys

[hostie w t mostie]

What happened at the forum today?

Hi anyone out there with AO who went to the forum today that can fill us in on what was talked about? Would really appreciate any further information if there was anything new or different to what we have already been told.