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Originally Posted by banewboi
For those who were asking about staff travel:
you can have one of these options and these can be changed once a year:
yourself and 3 close family members who again can only travel with you.
you can have one of these options and these can be changed once a year:
yourself and 3 close family members who again can only travel with you.
Retired staff have a "B" code.
after 10?: a confirmed id100, (i think.)
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I think you get two ID100.
All available on the intranet under staff travel policy. It's complicated stuff but nice to know.
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BA Training 2nd Oct
hiya, starting my training for BA at gatwick on the 2nd Oct, just seeing if anyone else is doing the training? Also i have heard the training is fun, and that there are tests. Are the tests hard to pass or is it common sense...
I live in bracknell so it would take me 1hr if there is no traffic to get to gatwick, do alot of people tend to stay in hostels or short term accommodation for the 5wk training course. Thanks
I live in bracknell so it would take me 1hr if there is no traffic to get to gatwick, do alot of people tend to stay in hostels or short term accommodation for the 5wk training course. Thanks
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Originally Posted by sammyjayne
hiya, starting my training for BA at gatwick on the 2nd Oct, just seeing if anyone else is doing the training? Also i have heard the training is fun, and that there are tests. Are the tests hard to pass or is it common sense...
I live in bracknell so it would take me 1hr if there is no traffic to get to gatwick, do alot of people tend to stay in hostels or short term accommodation for the 5wk training course. Thanks
I live in bracknell so it would take me 1hr if there is no traffic to get to gatwick, do alot of people tend to stay in hostels or short term accommodation for the 5wk training course. Thanks
Welcome to LGW!!!
I am working in the training department (3rd floor) at the moment so I will probably be taking care of the admin part of your course!!
Do not worry about exams, if you follow the lessons you won't have any problems, as they teach you ALL that you need to know to pass the exams and,more importantly,to do your job in the best way possible!
Well done on getting your job, looking forward to seeing you in the canteen for lunch!!!!
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OMG FLYBYWIRE!!
I'm on the 2nd floor at the moment doing my training!!!!!! Fancy that!! So close, yet soooo far!! lol
Sammyjayne, the training is really good. I'm not going to lie and say it's easy, becasue it's not. I've just finished my first week and have had 3 exams which luckily I passed (phew!!!) Just like anything in life, if you put the work in, you will get the result. You may join and realise the airline isn't for you or you may stay and do the work.
There are a few people at work, who are staying at hostels around the area. I live in Essex and it takes me and hour and a half to get to LGW at the moment. You never know, there may be someone else who lives in Bracknell who youcan car pool with!!
Good luck for your training. Work hard, and most of all have fun!! Hope to fly with you soon!!!
I'm on the 2nd floor at the moment doing my training!!!!!! Fancy that!! So close, yet soooo far!! lol
Sammyjayne, the training is really good. I'm not going to lie and say it's easy, becasue it's not. I've just finished my first week and have had 3 exams which luckily I passed (phew!!!) Just like anything in life, if you put the work in, you will get the result. You may join and realise the airline isn't for you or you may stay and do the work.
There are a few people at work, who are staying at hostels around the area. I live in Essex and it takes me and hour and a half to get to LGW at the moment. You never know, there may be someone else who lives in Bracknell who youcan car pool with!!
Good luck for your training. Work hard, and most of all have fun!! Hope to fly with you soon!!!
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me too on the 2nd
Hi
I am also starting my training on the 2nd of October , how is the course going? can you give me any info on the exams you sat in the first week? Anything would be a great help. thanks so much for your time. Just cant wait....................
Paula x
I am also starting my training on the 2nd of October
, how is the course going? can you give me any info on the exams you sat in the first week? Anything would be a great help. thanks so much for your time. Just cant wait....................Paula x
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This is not meant to be a dig at anyone but can someone please tell me why everyone seems to be falling over each other to join a company that pays less than £10k basic a year and in return expect almost blood, e.g. middle of the night (ok, early early morning) trips and standby, and all you get on top is less than £2 an hour flying pay. A 10 hr duty day (that's a long day in anyones book) will earn you £15 after tax!
Most would be hard pushed to earn £14k a year in total, before tax, after you've taken holidays, sickness and training (all basic pay only) into consideration. In fact BA is saying an average £500 per month extra on top of basic. Well, that'll be 9-10 months a year on average.
The only reason it seems that this single fleet got going is because all the longhaul crew got a promise of Heathrow transfers which most were desperate for and the shorthaul crew are delighted to get a bit more variety with some longhaul work at LGW, albeit the crappiest trips imaginable. They are the only real winners and good luck to them as they've been the poor relations for years, always voicing their dissent at their conditions.
There is a huge difference between LGW and LHR in that crew on the same basic earn a lot more money at LHR as the allowance is based on meals, not hours so it is overall, considerably more, especially when nightstops are involved.
Unless you are lucky enough to live locally, the chances are you'll use at least a gallon of petrol each way, thats £9 a day for a there and back. You'd have to work 6 hours (after tax) just to pay for the petrol, never mind the wear and tear of the car. I'm sure that many days are spent on standby at the airport so if you're not used, that's a charity trip. Those on Long Haul standby might sit at home for 7-10 days earning nothing at all, and that could happen every 3 months. OK, that is worst case scenario but still entirely possible.
Most new entrants will probably only fly on shorthaul initially as the existing crew will be the first to be trained up on the 777. I admit that long haul work will be more lucrative as you'll spend longer away from base so a US nightsop of 48hrs is going to give you a reasonable allowance, but how often is that going to happen.
Am I missing something here? or is there some pot at the end of the runway(rainbow).
I mean no disrespect whatsoever to all the crew at LGW, I just want to understand if I am missing something. I think it's the greatest job but everyone deserves to earn a decent living doing it. I just cannot see, looking at bajobs.com how that is possible.
I wish everyone the very best on the new fleet and hope you all have great fun.
Most would be hard pushed to earn £14k a year in total, before tax, after you've taken holidays, sickness and training (all basic pay only) into consideration. In fact BA is saying an average £500 per month extra on top of basic. Well, that'll be 9-10 months a year on average.
The only reason it seems that this single fleet got going is because all the longhaul crew got a promise of Heathrow transfers which most were desperate for and the shorthaul crew are delighted to get a bit more variety with some longhaul work at LGW, albeit the crappiest trips imaginable. They are the only real winners and good luck to them as they've been the poor relations for years, always voicing their dissent at their conditions.
There is a huge difference between LGW and LHR in that crew on the same basic earn a lot more money at LHR as the allowance is based on meals, not hours so it is overall, considerably more, especially when nightstops are involved.
Unless you are lucky enough to live locally, the chances are you'll use at least a gallon of petrol each way, thats £9 a day for a there and back. You'd have to work 6 hours (after tax) just to pay for the petrol, never mind the wear and tear of the car. I'm sure that many days are spent on standby at the airport so if you're not used, that's a charity trip. Those on Long Haul standby might sit at home for 7-10 days earning nothing at all, and that could happen every 3 months. OK, that is worst case scenario but still entirely possible.
Most new entrants will probably only fly on shorthaul initially as the existing crew will be the first to be trained up on the 777. I admit that long haul work will be more lucrative as you'll spend longer away from base so a US nightsop of 48hrs is going to give you a reasonable allowance, but how often is that going to happen.
Am I missing something here? or is there some pot at the end of the runway(rainbow).
I mean no disrespect whatsoever to all the crew at LGW, I just want to understand if I am missing something. I think it's the greatest job but everyone deserves to earn a decent living doing it. I just cannot see, looking at bajobs.com how that is possible.
I wish everyone the very best on the new fleet and hope you all have great fun.
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Originally Posted by flymiss
This is not meant to be a dig at anyone but can someone please tell me why everyone seems to be falling over each other to join a company that pays less than £10k basic a year and in return expect almost blood, e.g. middle of the night (ok, early early morning) trips and standby, and all you get on top is less than £2 an hour flying pay. A 10 hr duty day (that's a long day in anyones book) will earn you £15 after tax!
Most would be hard pushed to earn £14k a year in total, before tax, after you've taken holidays, sickness and training (all basic pay only) into consideration. In fact BA is saying an average £500 per month extra on top of basic. Well, that'll be 9-10 months a year on average.
The only reason it seems that this single fleet got going is because all the longhaul crew got a promise of Heathrow transfers which most were desperate for and the shorthaul crew are delighted to get a bit more variety with some longhaul work at LGW, albeit the crappiest trips imaginable. They are the only real winners and good luck to them as they've been the poor relations for years, always voicing their dissent at their conditions.
There is a huge difference between LGW and LHR in that crew on the same basic earn a lot more money at LHR as the allowance is based on meals, not hours so it is overall, considerably more, especially when nightstops are involved.
Unless you are lucky enough to live locally, the chances are you'll use at least a gallon of petrol each way, thats £9 a day for a there and back. You'd have to work 6 hours (after tax) just to pay for the petrol, never mind the wear and tear of the car. I'm sure that many days are spent on standby at the airport so if you're not used, that's a charity trip. Those on Long Haul standby might sit at home for 7-10 days earning nothing at all, and that could happen every 3 months. OK, that is worst case scenario but still entirely possible.
Most new entrants will probably only fly on shorthaul initially as the existing crew will be the first to be trained up on the 777. I admit that long haul work will be more lucrative as you'll spend longer away from base so a US nightsop of 48hrs is going to give you a reasonable allowance, but how often is that going to happen.
Am I missing something here? or is there some pot at the end of the runway(rainbow).
I mean no disrespect whatsoever to all the crew at LGW, I just want to understand if I am missing something. I think it's the greatest job but everyone deserves to earn a decent living doing it. I just cannot see, looking at bajobs.com how that is possible.
I wish everyone the very best on the new fleet and hope you all have great fun.
Most would be hard pushed to earn £14k a year in total, before tax, after you've taken holidays, sickness and training (all basic pay only) into consideration. In fact BA is saying an average £500 per month extra on top of basic. Well, that'll be 9-10 months a year on average.
The only reason it seems that this single fleet got going is because all the longhaul crew got a promise of Heathrow transfers which most were desperate for and the shorthaul crew are delighted to get a bit more variety with some longhaul work at LGW, albeit the crappiest trips imaginable. They are the only real winners and good luck to them as they've been the poor relations for years, always voicing their dissent at their conditions.
There is a huge difference between LGW and LHR in that crew on the same basic earn a lot more money at LHR as the allowance is based on meals, not hours so it is overall, considerably more, especially when nightstops are involved.
Unless you are lucky enough to live locally, the chances are you'll use at least a gallon of petrol each way, thats £9 a day for a there and back. You'd have to work 6 hours (after tax) just to pay for the petrol, never mind the wear and tear of the car. I'm sure that many days are spent on standby at the airport so if you're not used, that's a charity trip. Those on Long Haul standby might sit at home for 7-10 days earning nothing at all, and that could happen every 3 months. OK, that is worst case scenario but still entirely possible.
Most new entrants will probably only fly on shorthaul initially as the existing crew will be the first to be trained up on the 777. I admit that long haul work will be more lucrative as you'll spend longer away from base so a US nightsop of 48hrs is going to give you a reasonable allowance, but how often is that going to happen.
Am I missing something here? or is there some pot at the end of the runway(rainbow).
I mean no disrespect whatsoever to all the crew at LGW, I just want to understand if I am missing something. I think it's the greatest job but everyone deserves to earn a decent living doing it. I just cannot see, looking at bajobs.com how that is possible.
I wish everyone the very best on the new fleet and hope you all have great fun.
Als I think you'll find that I'm a new entrant and I have just been trained on the 777 so I think I might be doing a bit of longhaul somewhere along the line!! And if a lot of the main crew are being promoted to pursers, who's gonna be the main crew?!!!! The pursers' family??????
Promotion is 2 years at LGW whereas at LHR you will be waiting a lifetime!!! And some people really want to work for BA and it just so happens that they are only recruiting for LGW. And even if some people are looking for transfers, we all have to start somewhere. Unfortunately not everybody can start right at the top where you obviously did!!!!!
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Originally Posted by tuismile
OMG FLYBYWIRE!!
I'm on the 2nd floor at the moment doing my training!!!!!! Fancy that!! So close, yet soooo far!! lol
I'm on the 2nd floor at the moment doing my training!!!!!! Fancy that!! So close, yet soooo far!! lol
So close yet so far???
Come to see me in your break!!! I am in mon-fri 9am-4.30pm I am on the 3rd floor in the main training department.....you will immediately know who I am, I promise you....
Hope your training is going well!!!
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Flymiss....
I don't know who you are, and to be honest I don't think I'll ever wonder more than I am wondering right now.
However, can I just say that your post doesn't sound nice at all, it's totally out of place here as this is trying to be a helpful thread for Gatwick Fleet new entrants. Starting a new job is always stressing and our guys and girls don't really need any extra worries right now.
Can I also say, you should get your facts right before you speak as the terms and conditions have changed since you probably last asked/heard about LGW t&c. Hourly pay has improved and is about 2.50 and guess what, all our allowances are now 100% tax free. The only thing we pay tax on is basic and in-flight retail commission. Also, all new entrants since last week are trained on the 777. And this is as sure as hell as I am the one doing the paperwork.
I am sure there are lots of other incorrect things in your post, but you'll forgive me if after a few lines I felt it was useless to continue reading.
Please cheer up......it might not be the career for you, and that's ok. Nobody is begging you to come and work for us or to stay with us.
Good luck.....
FBW
I don't know who you are, and to be honest I don't think I'll ever wonder more than I am wondering right now.
However, can I just say that your post doesn't sound nice at all, it's totally out of place here as this is trying to be a helpful thread for Gatwick Fleet new entrants. Starting a new job is always stressing and our guys and girls don't really need any extra worries right now.
Can I also say, you should get your facts right before you speak as the terms and conditions have changed since you probably last asked/heard about LGW t&c. Hourly pay has improved and is about 2.50 and guess what, all our allowances are now 100% tax free. The only thing we pay tax on is basic and in-flight retail commission. Also, all new entrants since last week are trained on the 777. And this is as sure as hell as I am the one doing the paperwork.
I am sure there are lots of other incorrect things in your post, but you'll forgive me if after a few lines I felt it was useless to continue reading.
Please cheer up......it might not be the career for you, and that's ok. Nobody is begging you to come and work for us or to stay with us.
Good luck.....
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Thank you Tuismile & FBW, It really is not meant to be disrespectful and I was asking if there was something else, given some of the information I have read about the new fleet.
I was merely asking the question about the overall package. Well you answered that.
I'm sure that info will help a lot more people decide.
Good luck.
I was merely asking the question about the overall package. Well you answered that.
I'm sure that info will help a lot more people decide.
Good luck.
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Originally Posted by flybywire
Flymiss....
I don't know who you are, and to be honest I don't think I'll ever wonder more than I am wondering right now.
However, can I just say that your post doesn't sound nice at all, it's totally out of place here as this is trying to be a helpful thread for Gatwick Fleet new entrants. Starting a new job is always stressing and our guys and girls don't really need any extra worries right now.
Can I also say, you should get your facts right before you speak as the terms and conditions have changed since you probably last asked/heard about LGW t&c. Hourly pay has improved and is about 2.50 and guess what, all our allowances are now 100% tax free. The only thing we pay tax on is basic and in-flight retail commission. Also, all new entrants since last week are trained on the 777. And this is as sure as hell as I am the one doing the paperwork.
I am sure there are lots of other incorrect things in your post, but you'll forgive me if after a few lines I felt it was useless to continue reading.
Please cheer up......it might not be the career for you, and that's ok. Nobody is begging you to come and work for us or to stay with us.
Good luck.....
FBW
I don't know who you are, and to be honest I don't think I'll ever wonder more than I am wondering right now.
However, can I just say that your post doesn't sound nice at all, it's totally out of place here as this is trying to be a helpful thread for Gatwick Fleet new entrants. Starting a new job is always stressing and our guys and girls don't really need any extra worries right now.
Can I also say, you should get your facts right before you speak as the terms and conditions have changed since you probably last asked/heard about LGW t&c. Hourly pay has improved and is about 2.50 and guess what, all our allowances are now 100% tax free. The only thing we pay tax on is basic and in-flight retail commission. Also, all new entrants since last week are trained on the 777. And this is as sure as hell as I am the one doing the paperwork.
I am sure there are lots of other incorrect things in your post, but you'll forgive me if after a few lines I felt it was useless to continue reading.
Please cheer up......it might not be the career for you, and that's ok. Nobody is begging you to come and work for us or to stay with us.
Good luck.....
FBW
I have been online at LGW for a few months now and having flown for four years prior for a major low cost competitor had a good knowledge of how BA worked and how LGW was different to LHR. I read many posts on here about working conditions at LGW many of which turned out to be incorrect. Scaremongering serves no purpose whatsoever. It is important the people involved are aware that they will not earn LHR money as part of the new Gatwick Fleet and that in all fairness the money should be better but there are two sides to every coin. Do not forget however that Gatwick Fleet joins the NSP in October and the mixed flying is as we stand now unprecedented and therefore very appealing and exciting.
I would like to earn LHR money and I do think that there is a valid argument for some sort of equality bearing in mind the 'poor relation' feeling is apparant online and must cause some sort of demoralisation but compared to my previous airline BA LGW is a dream.
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Originally Posted by fly1605
Do not forget however that Gatwick Fleet joins the NSP in October
Please read further back in the thread as to what this really means to GF.
YD
ps FBW is your sickness getting any better?
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Originally Posted by yellowdog
fly1605 not sure where you have got this info from but as far as I am aware the NSp discussions have still not been concluded and still may be as far away as ever. Lets hope not but please don't hold your breath.
Please read further back in the thread as to what this really means to GF.
YD
ps FBW is your sickness getting any better?
Please read further back in the thread as to what this really means to GF.
YD
ps FBW is your sickness getting any better?
Thank you YD, I feel much better and so does the little one (apparently) so we're back to our new routine at H6!!!
I hope the disruptions haven't disrupted your life too much
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well guys i know we shouldnt discuss numbers here but i think if some people would be able to give an average estimate of take home a month during a average/busy month would help so much decide if we can do it....its best to know and decide before you join instead of joining taking someone else's position and then look for an other position....so if anyone who works at LGW currently could tell me i would be more than grateful....and an other final question...is it possible to commute you think or there is loads of there and backs?thank you all guys and happy flying
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well thanks for offering advice but i asked an estimate of take home for current ef gatwick staff.....and then hope for something more when single fleet kicks in!....commuting from 2 hours drive:-(
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As I have not been main crew at EFLGW for a long time I wouldn't like to comment.
However this is an extensive thread that has been running for a long time.
I'm sure the answers you seek are in here somewhere.
EFLGW has commuters from Mauritius, Germany, Spain, Canada, America, Wales, Aberdeen, Glasgow, Newcastle, Manchester, and even....Southampton!
I'd say you'll be ok.
However this is an extensive thread that has been running for a long time.
I'm sure the answers you seek are in here somewhere.
EFLGW has commuters from Mauritius, Germany, Spain, Canada, America, Wales, Aberdeen, Glasgow, Newcastle, Manchester, and even....Southampton!
I'd say you'll be ok.
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FAO Flybywire
Hi Flybywire
Im existing BA Staff in CBA. Just noticed LGW recruitment has closed. Do you think it will be reopening again at any time in the near future. Appreciate any advice!
Im existing BA Staff in CBA. Just noticed LGW recruitment has closed. Do you think it will be reopening again at any time in the near future. Appreciate any advice!