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What's going on?
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Jetstar
Hi guys..
Anybody know whats happening with jetstar applications. They are recruiting online!
Whats the deal, I heard that they are planning to take over a large part of international flying from QF? True?
Anybody know whats happening with jetstar applications. They are recruiting online!
Whats the deal, I heard that they are planning to take over a large part of international flying from QF? True?
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From: cyprus
True..... in Part
There are certain routes where QF mainline has never been able to make money,because they are basically leisure routes.
They are therefore price sensitive.
Rome,Athens, Vancouver Tahiti and Honolulu to name a few
Some Asian ports like Taiwan and Korea may also fall into this category.
QF Mainline will probably shrink to routes where P/C and premium J/C are in demand.
Doesn`t leave much...LHR LAX HKG BKK SIN SFO etc.
Even this will eventually change with technology...777LR "hub busters".
JetStar will service these leisure routes with a lower cost base in a 2 class configuration.
Peter Gregg has been working on this for about 12 months
Jet* will become a large part of the Qantas Group.
Qantas mainline will be the premium end of the business.
It will ultimately downsize.
The point is, most travellers care only about price not about brand.
Older wealthier and business travellers care about brand, comfort and service.
They are in the minority and shrinking
The Japanese are the one standout..they are interested in Brand.
I doubt a LCC will ever be successful servicing The Land of the Rising Sun.
But then again....
Jet*will have a higher attrition rate of staff..stay 3 to 5 years,party, shop, see the world.... leave.
Small super costs,fresh faces lower wages,cheaper accommodation.
No retired staff on stafftravel
Dixon's dream
They are therefore price sensitive.
Rome,Athens, Vancouver Tahiti and Honolulu to name a few
Some Asian ports like Taiwan and Korea may also fall into this category.
QF Mainline will probably shrink to routes where P/C and premium J/C are in demand.
Doesn`t leave much...LHR LAX HKG BKK SIN SFO etc.
Even this will eventually change with technology...777LR "hub busters".
JetStar will service these leisure routes with a lower cost base in a 2 class configuration.
Peter Gregg has been working on this for about 12 months
Jet* will become a large part of the Qantas Group.
Qantas mainline will be the premium end of the business.
It will ultimately downsize.
The point is, most travellers care only about price not about brand.
Older wealthier and business travellers care about brand, comfort and service.
They are in the minority and shrinking
The Japanese are the one standout..they are interested in Brand.
I doubt a LCC will ever be successful servicing The Land of the Rising Sun.
But then again....
Jet*will have a higher attrition rate of staff..stay 3 to 5 years,party, shop, see the world.... leave.
Small super costs,fresh faces lower wages,cheaper accommodation.
No retired staff on stafftravel
Dixon's dream
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Dixon and Howards dream.......................
The "Mc job"
Coming to you, Australia wide.
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The "Mc job"
Coming to you, Australia wide.
www.actu.asn.au
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Jet*will have a higher attrition rate of staff..stay 3 to 5 years,party, shop, see the world.... leave.
Those Impulse originals such as myself have PROVEN to be flexible and extremely hardworking - much better than half (certainly not all!) the lazy 19-20 year old pretty little things we employ now. Yet they put up with the going ons of Jetstar because they know very little and couldn't care less - which is why the company loves them.
I think it is strange that after only 5 years with a company and in my mid-20s I feel like many of the 30 year Long Haul CSMs/FAs I have spoken to!
I just want Jetstar to be realistic regarding pay and conditions for domestic and international operations. From what I hear their attitude / approach is laughable. I heard this today and it is ofcourse rumour... Hopefully I am to be proved wrong...
Last edited by ditzyboy; 5th November 2005 at 03:28.
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From: cyprus
Brave New World.......
The cost of training and equipping an FA takes approximately three years to recover.
After that, well, you become very expendable.
I generalize,but most Airlines see crew as a necessary evil.
Crew are an absentee workforce who,as a result,are very difficult to control much to the annoyance of management.
This is the way of the future....a high attrition rate,no union,easy to dismiss,no career.
Just fodder.
There are always thousands who want to be CC.
If you aren't happy and leave you won't be missed.
This is what has happened in the USA.
Its also why service on American Carriers is generally appalling.
We are not in the hospitality or service industry.
We are in the transport industry
Management are infallible..crew are expendable.
The newbies have no loyalty to their employer because they don't intend to stay long.
They try to get as much out of the experience and then leave.
Pax to them are more of an annoyance than anything else.
After that, well, you become very expendable.
I generalize,but most Airlines see crew as a necessary evil.
Crew are an absentee workforce who,as a result,are very difficult to control much to the annoyance of management.
This is the way of the future....a high attrition rate,no union,easy to dismiss,no career.
Just fodder.
There are always thousands who want to be CC.
If you aren't happy and leave you won't be missed.
This is what has happened in the USA.
Its also why service on American Carriers is generally appalling.
We are not in the hospitality or service industry.
We are in the transport industry
Management are infallible..crew are expendable.
The newbies have no loyalty to their employer because they don't intend to stay long.
They try to get as much out of the experience and then leave.
Pax to them are more of an annoyance than anything else.
Last edited by Simon Templar; 8th November 2005 at 10:24.
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Jet*will have a higher attrition rate of staff..stay 3 to 5 years,party, shop, see the world.... leave.
The newbies have no loyalty to their employer because they don't intend to stay long.
That is SO true! I have been with Impulse/QFLink/Jetstar for 5 years and both the newer staff and Jetstar make us out to be bitter, old and a drain on their company. And I am only 25!
Not once has anyone regarded these cabin crew as old, worn out types who are a drain to the company! In fact they can be quite fun to fly with (like a lot of crew). We have a lot of cabin crew who enjoy this position as a longer term career, and, as always, there's those interested only for a few years.
In addition, we are not an airline, but a contract company. Therefore we don't get as many benefits as those in, say Qantas mainline eg: mainline staff I.D. travel, smaller jet aircraft, job stability (being a contract company), and we don’t even ‘see the world’. Instead, we fly a lot of miners who don't even pay for their tickets and are unhappy to be there and make us busy all flight for drinks etc... In addition we work hard and are a low cost contract company. Having shared this we still have crew stick with us despite not having many things other airlines take for granted. But a lot of people do tend to stay with us (at least for a decent amount of years) which I think is a good thing to see despite our less 'glamorous' flying. Having said this, I think that Jetstar International, with its long haul flying, will attract cabin crew who will stay on for the longer run. I reckon the award will be reasonable for a low cost airline. Their flights may be longer but they'll never do four sector days for example.
Am I correct in saying that some people in NJS, Jetstar International/Domestic and Virgin Blue want to fly as their main career? I think so.
Pax to them are more of an annoyance than anything else. I know I have travelled Jet* several times. Warning : Do not interrupt a Jet*FA when she is having a conversation with another crew member
Last edited by Galley Power; 7th November 2005 at 13:41.
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From: cyprus
The point is...
That careers as we know them now are finished.
No one employed from hereon in will have a career as Cabin Crew spanning any more than about 5 years.
Even some crew employed in the last 5 years won't be here in another 5.
No one employed from hereon in will have a career as Cabin Crew spanning any more than about 5 years.
Even some crew employed in the last 5 years won't be here in another 5.
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From: Sydney
Thanks to the decision made by long haul crew to increase the number of positions available in overseas bases and by short haul crew to introduce casual crew through a contract company NO career opportunities as flight attendants have been or ever will be available to Australians with Qantas (The spirit of Australia) not to mention management exploiting these provisions in both EBA's.
So Simon Templar thanks to decisions made by your lot and short haul the same opportunities available to your generation will NEVER be available again.
That leaves Jet* as the only option.
Where should I send my thank-you card along with the many other thousands of Australians that ever had dreams of working for our national carrier and before you say it, yes ive already sent a card to Qantas management but you lot gave them the ability to achieve such an outcome.
So dont come on here bitching about Jet* while packing your bag for L.A. care factor ZERO!
So Simon Templar thanks to decisions made by your lot and short haul the same opportunities available to your generation will NEVER be available again.
That leaves Jet* as the only option.
Where should I send my thank-you card along with the many other thousands of Australians that ever had dreams of working for our national carrier and before you say it, yes ive already sent a card to Qantas management but you lot gave them the ability to achieve such an outcome.
So dont come on here bitching about Jet* while packing your bag for L.A. care factor ZERO!