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Lying Johnnies new IR legislation enables companies to insist that a doctors certificate be provided for any/all incidences of sick leave.
Lets see how long it takes Qantas to use this new found ability.
Having said that there are no shortage of doctors who HATE Qantas and the way it's management treat their staff.......
Lets see how long it takes Qantas to use this new found ability.
Having said that there are no shortage of doctors who HATE Qantas and the way it's management treat their staff.......
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perhaps the one person in Australia who might stop the syphoning off of Aust jobs OS or the more insidious REBRANDING of current employees -under the euphemism of transmission business - into a subsiduary Jetstar company with all employee entitlements stripped - is DICK SMITH.
A concerted campaign to bring his attention to the reality of whats really going on inside the Roo and the future direction of the QF business plan may just be enough to stir this very nationalistic man.
The hypocracy of Singo's advertising campaign makes us all want to hurl -and this will go into overdrive as more bases and foreign nationals are employed.
Dick has the money and the idealism to take on the Qantas executive.
This campaign should not be run at a formal level by the faaa but rather -by thousands of born and bred Aussie f/as who want to continue to put bread on the table for their increasingly less happy little vegemites.
A concerted letter campaign to Mr Smith is a possible alternative - costs the price of a stamp -word of mouth in the back galley will be its wheels
so HAS ANYONE GOT DICK SMITH'S HOME ADDRESS?
CAN IT BE POSTED HERE??
A concerted campaign to bring his attention to the reality of whats really going on inside the Roo and the future direction of the QF business plan may just be enough to stir this very nationalistic man.
The hypocracy of Singo's advertising campaign makes us all want to hurl -and this will go into overdrive as more bases and foreign nationals are employed.
Dick has the money and the idealism to take on the Qantas executive.
This campaign should not be run at a formal level by the faaa but rather -by thousands of born and bred Aussie f/as who want to continue to put bread on the table for their increasingly less happy little vegemites.
A concerted letter campaign to Mr Smith is a possible alternative - costs the price of a stamp -word of mouth in the back galley will be its wheels
so HAS ANYONE GOT DICK SMITH'S HOME ADDRESS?
CAN IT BE POSTED HERE??
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I’m not sure if you wear glasses but I have mentioned a media campaign but like the faaa you don’t consider any approach that you have not thought of .To use your boxing analogy let’s be smart and like Ali who did go head to head with some very big hitters , we play “rope a dope” not run and hide.
The union leadership has to communicate with the membership with complete transparency and details all proposals and activities that have occurred .The FAAA could have an electronic version of something like “ A Friday Flyer” with details of what has transpired during the last week and what is on the agenda for the next week
However , this is not the place to talk about any ideas because we all know it is visited by everyone from tech crew to pen pushers in QCC.There have been a few suggestions that have merit because the only thing that QF is concerned about is public opinion and money.
If we have a union meeting then the company knows what was said before you have gotten into your car to drive home. So, the first thing is to find a place to discuss any ideas. Maybe the only place where we can do this is in Galley’s and slip ports.
Maybe though ,trying to contact someone like Dick Smith might have some benefit.He has been known to push for Australian content ,so who knows,it certainly can't do any harm .
At the moment, the brains trust at the faaa don’t seem to have any strategy except to say “we can’t win...trust us...we have to vote yes etc…” in other words “chicken little scenarios” or scare tactics.The bottom line is though that the faaa seems to be outclassed in every department by the company so it is up to us to talk about it but not on pprune.
Did anyone see the interview on the ABC this morning (Sunday) with Darth Dixon? Did you notice that when he was asked if Jetstar international would take QF routes, he said no initially then waffled on giving nothing away but he kept looking at the table instead of the interviewer. For most of the program he looked at the reporter but not with this question. If body language is any guide ,it is going to be an interesting few weeks ahead of us.
By the way ,the tech crew union (AIPA) is almost breaking up with arguments of lack of transparency and no communication.The latest is that the new exec has taken upon itself to affiliate with the ACTU and this has angered some because AIPA did not consult the membership about this proposal.Whether this is a good idea or not ,the point is that the union did not communicate it's intent
Does this sound familiar?
The union leadership has to communicate with the membership with complete transparency and details all proposals and activities that have occurred .The FAAA could have an electronic version of something like “ A Friday Flyer” with details of what has transpired during the last week and what is on the agenda for the next week
I’m not sure if you wear glasses but I have mentioned a media campaign but like the faaa you don’t consider any approach that you have not thought of .To use your boxing analogy let’s be smart and like Ali who did go head to head with some very big hitters , we play “rope a dope” not run and hide.
The union leadership has to communicate with the membership with complete transparency and details all proposals and activities that have occurred .The FAAA could have an electronic version of something like “ A Friday Flyer” with details of what has transpired during the last week and what is on the agenda for the next week
However , this is not the place to talk about any ideas because we all know it is visited by everyone from tech crew to pen pushers in QCC.There have been a few suggestions that have merit because the only thing that QF is concerned about is public opinion and money.
If we have a union meeting then the company knows what was said before you have gotten into your car to drive home. So, the first thing is to find a place to discuss any ideas. Maybe the only place where we can do this is in Galley’s and slip ports.
Maybe though ,trying to contact someone like Dick Smith might have some benefit.He has been known to push for Australian content ,so who knows,it certainly can't do any harm .
At the moment, the brains trust at the faaa don’t seem to have any strategy except to say “we can’t win...trust us...we have to vote yes etc…” in other words “chicken little scenarios” or scare tactics.The bottom line is though that the faaa seems to be outclassed in every department by the company so it is up to us to talk about it but not on pprune.
Did anyone see the interview on the ABC this morning (Sunday) with Darth Dixon? Did you notice that when he was asked if Jetstar international would take QF routes, he said no initially then waffled on giving nothing away but he kept looking at the table instead of the interviewer. For most of the program he looked at the reporter but not with this question. If body language is any guide ,it is going to be an interesting few weeks ahead of us.
By the way ,the tech crew union (AIPA) is almost breaking up with arguments of lack of transparency and no communication.The latest is that the new exec has taken upon itself to affiliate with the ACTU and this has angered some because AIPA did not consult the membership about this proposal.Whether this is a good idea or not ,the point is that the union did not communicate it's intent
Does this sound familiar?
The union leadership has to communicate with the membership with complete transparency and details all proposals and activities that have occurred .The FAAA could have an electronic version of something like “ A Friday Flyer” with details of what has transpired during the last week and what is on the agenda for the next week
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The NO vote argument for the JFK dispensation…
There are a number of reasons to vote NO for the JFK dispensation but the over riding one is this...
It is no secret that the AKL crew cost is less than Australian based crew and that the company especially at this time is motivated by money probably more than anything else.
It is also no secret that the company is legally able to replace us at any time with the AKL crew to operate the JFK shuttle and without our approval.
The obvious question then is...Why has Qantas sought dispensation from us to operate this sector when they can replace us at any time and save a staggering amount of money?
The obvious answer is that Qantas believes there is a benefit for them to receive the dispensation and that means if it is advantageous to the company it is not going to benefit cabin crew.
The company obviously wants or needs that dispensation for it’s future plans to cut costs and not only the JFK shuttle but all other multi sector flights .Qantas has already asked for the unplanned limit on multi sector flights to be raised to 18 hours although the faaa has conveniently not told us that.
If the company believes and can argue in court especially under the new IR laws that we have created a precedent by giving dispensation, it throws our whole rostering into question not just the JFK shuttle…the company may be ruthless and cunning but they are not stupid
VOTE NO to the JFK dispensation…
There are a number of reasons to vote NO for the JFK dispensation but the over riding one is this...
It is no secret that the AKL crew cost is less than Australian based crew and that the company especially at this time is motivated by money probably more than anything else.
It is also no secret that the company is legally able to replace us at any time with the AKL crew to operate the JFK shuttle and without our approval.
The obvious question then is...Why has Qantas sought dispensation from us to operate this sector when they can replace us at any time and save a staggering amount of money?
The obvious answer is that Qantas believes there is a benefit for them to receive the dispensation and that means if it is advantageous to the company it is not going to benefit cabin crew.
The company obviously wants or needs that dispensation for it’s future plans to cut costs and not only the JFK shuttle but all other multi sector flights .Qantas has already asked for the unplanned limit on multi sector flights to be raised to 18 hours although the faaa has conveniently not told us that.
If the company believes and can argue in court especially under the new IR laws that we have created a precedent by giving dispensation, it throws our whole rostering into question not just the JFK shuttle…the company may be ruthless and cunning but they are not stupid
VOTE NO to the JFK dispensation…
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lowerlobe and his false comments
lowerlobe you can keep on putting forward your views which would lead to disaster.
However, you should not write lies in here. At no time has the Company asked the FAAA FOR MULTI SECTORS IN UNPLANNED CIRCUMSTANCES TO GO TO 18 HOURS.
You are entitled to your views but what you are not entitled to do, as you continually do in here is fabricate stories.
Fortunately, you are not typical of most cabin crew.
A suggestion, rather than your stale and silly comments in here why don't you just leave and get a job elsewhere.
People in the FAAA are desperately trying to stop crew losing their jobs and all you can do is continually spread nonsense.
Fortunately for all of us, you reflect a tiny minority and a very bitter minority.
The most dangerous attribute that you have is that you speak with such apparent knowledge about industrial issues, u refer ad nauseaum to "precedents" but you are totally clueless.
Stick to the bar services, if in fact you are even a flight attendant.
You certainly are probably a non union member. Typically, you make up fantasy stories in here like your comment about imaginary 18 hour limits. Why dont you name the source of that supposed fact? Of course you won't because its something you dreamt up in your confused mind.
However, you should not write lies in here. At no time has the Company asked the FAAA FOR MULTI SECTORS IN UNPLANNED CIRCUMSTANCES TO GO TO 18 HOURS.
You are entitled to your views but what you are not entitled to do, as you continually do in here is fabricate stories.
Fortunately, you are not typical of most cabin crew.
A suggestion, rather than your stale and silly comments in here why don't you just leave and get a job elsewhere.
People in the FAAA are desperately trying to stop crew losing their jobs and all you can do is continually spread nonsense.
Fortunately for all of us, you reflect a tiny minority and a very bitter minority.
The most dangerous attribute that you have is that you speak with such apparent knowledge about industrial issues, u refer ad nauseaum to "precedents" but you are totally clueless.
Stick to the bar services, if in fact you are even a flight attendant.
You certainly are probably a non union member. Typically, you make up fantasy stories in here like your comment about imaginary 18 hour limits. Why dont you name the source of that supposed fact? Of course you won't because its something you dreamt up in your confused mind.
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SPIES IN THE SKY
Just heard that QCC4 has launched its "SPIES IN THE SKY" PROGRAMME.
Apparently ALL paxing duty travel staff will be given feedback forms to access the crews performance on the sector they are positioning on.
On the bright side, if this is indeed the case ,at least staff from now on will always get their meal choice over Chairmans & full fare commercial Emeralds.
Apparently ALL paxing duty travel staff will be given feedback forms to access the crews performance on the sector they are positioning on.
On the bright side, if this is indeed the case ,at least staff from now on will always get their meal choice over Chairmans & full fare commercial Emeralds.
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Yes. Everybody above a certain level in the company is required to provide feedback on their perception of the flight and the service we provide.
It's been going on for months.
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"at least staff from now on will always get their meal choice over Chairmans & full fare commercial Emeralds."
On any flight I'm on they won't be getting their meal choice over ANY full fare paying passenger.
It's been going on for months.
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"at least staff from now on will always get their meal choice over Chairmans & full fare commercial Emeralds."
On any flight I'm on they won't be getting their meal choice over ANY full fare paying passenger.
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Let’s see what you get for your $600 odd union fees a year...
You get abuse when you dare to voice a differing opinion to the faaa and not follow them like a bunch of lemmings
Not a lot of success from our elected officials ,the closure of the perth base and the sale of crew seats are the latest debacles
The same scare tactics that if we vote with them we will all lose our jobs…What is to stop the company from replacing all of us on the JFK shuttles even if we vote yes and give QF the dispensation they desperately need.
Not a lot of communications, that is until after they have been signed off on a deal.
The real reason for the lack of communication is so that the faaa can selectively release or deny any information they choose to suit their purpose.
And Lies…In fact it was a union official that told me about the approach to the union for the increase in the limit on multi sector flights to 18 hours…this was back in September and of course the faaa's 3 girls did not tell us and now deny it because they want us to vote yes and not realize what the company is up to. Is it possible that there is a benefit to the union officials if we vote yes..???? Hence the delay from the faaa for nearly a year to hold this vote..
You will notice that through all the abuse from Eden99 he does not try to fault my point of the company wanting the dispensation because they could replace us at any time...Now we know that Eden99 and Guardian1 are faaa officials.wait for the inevitable abuse ,fabrication and rhetoric after this from the faaa.
As far as a precedent is concerned, you cannot go into a court and say OK Qantas you can do this once only. The company will argue down the track that we have operated on so many occasions a regular weekly service in excess of the eba limited hours so why can’t we do it again….We are being sold out…
VOTE NO.....
You get abuse when you dare to voice a differing opinion to the faaa and not follow them like a bunch of lemmings
Not a lot of success from our elected officials ,the closure of the perth base and the sale of crew seats are the latest debacles
The same scare tactics that if we vote with them we will all lose our jobs…What is to stop the company from replacing all of us on the JFK shuttles even if we vote yes and give QF the dispensation they desperately need.
Not a lot of communications, that is until after they have been signed off on a deal.
The real reason for the lack of communication is so that the faaa can selectively release or deny any information they choose to suit their purpose.
And Lies…In fact it was a union official that told me about the approach to the union for the increase in the limit on multi sector flights to 18 hours…this was back in September and of course the faaa's 3 girls did not tell us and now deny it because they want us to vote yes and not realize what the company is up to. Is it possible that there is a benefit to the union officials if we vote yes..???? Hence the delay from the faaa for nearly a year to hold this vote..
You will notice that through all the abuse from Eden99 he does not try to fault my point of the company wanting the dispensation because they could replace us at any time...Now we know that Eden99 and Guardian1 are faaa officials.wait for the inevitable abuse ,fabrication and rhetoric after this from the faaa.
As far as a precedent is concerned, you cannot go into a court and say OK Qantas you can do this once only. The company will argue down the track that we have operated on so many occasions a regular weekly service in excess of the eba limited hours so why can’t we do it again….We are being sold out…
VOTE NO.....
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lowerlobe you are so incredibly rediculous and what's more you are incredibly dangerous.
You are obviously intelligent because your writing style shows a level of education consistent with intelligence.
However the readers in here should not be fooled by you. The previous officials of the FAAA also wrote very well too and at the time often made a lot of sense.
They told us that the cap on overseas bases would continue on. On face value what they said made sense because they sounded so convincing...flight attendants even voted for the EBA and look what happened NO CAP.
Our current officials pointed it out and urged us to vote NO and guess what they were right.
The difference between Michael Mijatov and you Lowerlobe and you is that he did it publicly. He didnt hide behind the anonymity of this site. He printed his name on newsletters that HE paid for with Andrew Smedley and handed it out to crew.
He went to Union meetings and fought for what he believed in Publicly and did it all without a veil of anonymity.
NO ONE in here should believe a word that LOWERLOBE says unless he has the GUTS and HONESTY to do what MIJATOV and SMEDLEY did when they implored crew to vote no to the EBA.
When he puts his name to it you will know whether this is a person to be trusted or a person with no integegrity.
I personally believe that the FAAA has every right to attack those that hide behind the veil of secrecy and anonymity.
Unlike the FAAA who put their names and reputations on the line and run for office those in here that criticise them have no integrity, and are cowards.
I am not going to suggest a vote one way or the other on the JFK shuttle lest i be called a hypocrite however i would suggest only one thing to the readers in here.
There are one group of people who put their names, repuations and personal lives on the line and run for office and are subject to enormous scrutiny from members and the company and the public via the media ..FAAA officials.
Then alternatively we have lowerlobe and his/her ilk who do not offer themselvevs for office, make no daily contribution to the welfare of others, hide behind the veil of anonymity and criticise those that do the opposite.
Please consider this readers when judging
You are obviously intelligent because your writing style shows a level of education consistent with intelligence.
However the readers in here should not be fooled by you. The previous officials of the FAAA also wrote very well too and at the time often made a lot of sense.
They told us that the cap on overseas bases would continue on. On face value what they said made sense because they sounded so convincing...flight attendants even voted for the EBA and look what happened NO CAP.
Our current officials pointed it out and urged us to vote NO and guess what they were right.
The difference between Michael Mijatov and you Lowerlobe and you is that he did it publicly. He didnt hide behind the anonymity of this site. He printed his name on newsletters that HE paid for with Andrew Smedley and handed it out to crew.
He went to Union meetings and fought for what he believed in Publicly and did it all without a veil of anonymity.
NO ONE in here should believe a word that LOWERLOBE says unless he has the GUTS and HONESTY to do what MIJATOV and SMEDLEY did when they implored crew to vote no to the EBA.
When he puts his name to it you will know whether this is a person to be trusted or a person with no integegrity.
I personally believe that the FAAA has every right to attack those that hide behind the veil of secrecy and anonymity.
Unlike the FAAA who put their names and reputations on the line and run for office those in here that criticise them have no integrity, and are cowards.
I am not going to suggest a vote one way or the other on the JFK shuttle lest i be called a hypocrite however i would suggest only one thing to the readers in here.
There are one group of people who put their names, repuations and personal lives on the line and run for office and are subject to enormous scrutiny from members and the company and the public via the media ..FAAA officials.
Then alternatively we have lowerlobe and his/her ilk who do not offer themselvevs for office, make no daily contribution to the welfare of others, hide behind the veil of anonymity and criticise those that do the opposite.
Please consider this readers when judging
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I do not want to cloud this issue with personal abuse sending us out on other tangents...
MM and the others wanted to run for office for their own reasons. I have never intended or mentioned any intent on my part to run for any elected office .I have simply made these posts because I believe that they are crucial. I am a crew member and also a union member and as such have a right to point out salient facts.
I do not trust the company and the whole point of my posts is to make clear that there are other agendas than simply saving money on the JFK run .It is these agendas that worry me and that the faaa is either not seeing or interested in them either.
It is plain common sense that the company has other motives that require us to sign away a dispensation. As I have said the company could replace us at any time on the JFK shuttle without a dispensation so why go to all the trouble of achieving one.
This vote is about a majority consensus and I will go along with whatever the outcome is however, any long Haul crew members reading this just ask yourself the same question.
“Why does the company want a dispensation when they don’t need one on the JFK shuttle”
I believe that we should vote NO
I do not want to cloud this issue with personal abuse sending us out on other tangents...
MM and the others wanted to run for office for their own reasons. I have never intended or mentioned any intent on my part to run for any elected office .I have simply made these posts because I believe that they are crucial. I am a crew member and also a union member and as such have a right to point out salient facts.
I do not trust the company and the whole point of my posts is to make clear that there are other agendas than simply saving money on the JFK run .It is these agendas that worry me and that the faaa is either not seeing or interested in them either.
It is plain common sense that the company has other motives that require us to sign away a dispensation. As I have said the company could replace us at any time on the JFK shuttle without a dispensation so why go to all the trouble of achieving one.
This vote is about a majority consensus and I will go along with whatever the outcome is however, any long Haul crew members reading this just ask yourself the same question.
“Why does the company want a dispensation when they don’t need one on the JFK shuttle”
I believe that we should vote NO
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A cut and paste from the D&G forum..............
This is my first ever post on PPruNe. I occasionally browse through the forums, but have never felt the desire to make a post until now.
I have always voted Liberal, or at least for someone who would pass a preference on to them. However I will not be voting for them at the next election (and that’s something I thought I would never say).
Coitus is obviously an educated person. I’m a pilot and I like to think that I do my job professionally. What do you do Coitus? I’m guessing by your flowery posts that when you weren’t in an English class you spent most of your youth at ‘Young Liberals’ gatherings and read Shakespeare whilst on the toilet (sorry - bathroom commode). I unfortunately spent far too much time dreaming about being a pilot and flying – so please forgive me Coitus for all my grammatical errors and spellin’ mistakes.
Look I’m sorry Coitus if this feels like a personal attack. However this new legislation feels like a personal attack on me. And besides you do sound oh so pious.
The Liberals are by far the better managers of the economy, few would disagree, but they seem to lack compassion. It certainly feels as though Howard is the Governor for the US state of Australia. Yes, the US is a very wealthy nation, but I reckon they (collectively) suck.
I have a good mate who is a Jet F/O over there – working his r!ng off for pocket money – And no he doesn’t get six weeks Annual leave a year, he gets just one for the first two years and from then on he only gets two (no public holidays either).
I have worked in union and non-union workplaces (not always as a pilot). In the past I felt that they had too much power. Every non-union environment that I have worked in, we all worked longer, got pushed around more, paid inappropriately and generally scr*wed. So I have concluded that we need unions, but there needs to be a balance.
I now work for the Qantas BRAND. I have heard people call some unions militant, but these people are militant management. I have never worked for a more mean- spirited and aggressive bunch. If the Qantas BRAND is the spirit of Australia, then God help us as a nation. From my limited experience, about the only time Mr Dixon smiles is when his staff is being scr*wed (especially his P.A. if the rumours are true). I bet he had a face like a split watermelon all weekend after the new IR laws got passed (Like a smelly fart that they are). I will lay it out for you Coitus, you can argue all you wish – If Qantas support it (or even like it) then that’s good enough reason for me not to like it – IT HAS TO BE BAD.
Time to sleep now (while I still can!)
I have always voted Liberal, or at least for someone who would pass a preference on to them. However I will not be voting for them at the next election (and that’s something I thought I would never say).
Coitus is obviously an educated person. I’m a pilot and I like to think that I do my job professionally. What do you do Coitus? I’m guessing by your flowery posts that when you weren’t in an English class you spent most of your youth at ‘Young Liberals’ gatherings and read Shakespeare whilst on the toilet (sorry - bathroom commode). I unfortunately spent far too much time dreaming about being a pilot and flying – so please forgive me Coitus for all my grammatical errors and spellin’ mistakes.
Look I’m sorry Coitus if this feels like a personal attack. However this new legislation feels like a personal attack on me. And besides you do sound oh so pious.
The Liberals are by far the better managers of the economy, few would disagree, but they seem to lack compassion. It certainly feels as though Howard is the Governor for the US state of Australia. Yes, the US is a very wealthy nation, but I reckon they (collectively) suck.
I have a good mate who is a Jet F/O over there – working his r!ng off for pocket money – And no he doesn’t get six weeks Annual leave a year, he gets just one for the first two years and from then on he only gets two (no public holidays either).
I have worked in union and non-union workplaces (not always as a pilot). In the past I felt that they had too much power. Every non-union environment that I have worked in, we all worked longer, got pushed around more, paid inappropriately and generally scr*wed. So I have concluded that we need unions, but there needs to be a balance.
I now work for the Qantas BRAND. I have heard people call some unions militant, but these people are militant management. I have never worked for a more mean- spirited and aggressive bunch. If the Qantas BRAND is the spirit of Australia, then God help us as a nation. From my limited experience, about the only time Mr Dixon smiles is when his staff is being scr*wed (especially his P.A. if the rumours are true). I bet he had a face like a split watermelon all weekend after the new IR laws got passed (Like a smelly fart that they are). I will lay it out for you Coitus, you can argue all you wish – If Qantas support it (or even like it) then that’s good enough reason for me not to like it – IT HAS TO BE BAD.
Time to sleep now (while I still can!)
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I had a very long and detailed discussion with Michael Mijatov about the NYC dispensation and i raised with him all the concerns raised by Lowerlobe and many other flight attendants.
What he said to me in brief is that there is nothing that has been raised in the pprune forum that has not been extensively discussed by the FAAA executive which comprises 13 senior officials of the faaa from all Bases.
What he also indicated is that the FAAA has undertaken extensive discussion with lawyers working for the FAAA and expert consultant lawyers about all the issues raised in here.
it is the view of the FAAA executive who voted for the dispensation that as much as they all find it distasteful that they have to recommend it to crew, that it is the only prudent advice that they can give after considering all the information at their disposal including information provided to the FAAA by the company that is considered "commercial in confidence".
I trust the FAAA whose offcials are all Flight Attendants, and their two employment lawyers on the staff who both have extensive legal experience in and out of unions to give us "CONSIDERED" advice.
They cant afford to be anonymous, nor can they afford to advise us to do something based on anger or frustration.
Michael also indicated that this would certainly not be the last concession that F/A's would have to make in the future to have job security but he said its about participating and managing the change together or having the company pursue individual contracts or worse givinig our work to AA JQ or domestic and making us all redundant.
He has my complete confidence despite the nervousness i feel like everyone else
What he said to me in brief is that there is nothing that has been raised in the pprune forum that has not been extensively discussed by the FAAA executive which comprises 13 senior officials of the faaa from all Bases.
What he also indicated is that the FAAA has undertaken extensive discussion with lawyers working for the FAAA and expert consultant lawyers about all the issues raised in here.
it is the view of the FAAA executive who voted for the dispensation that as much as they all find it distasteful that they have to recommend it to crew, that it is the only prudent advice that they can give after considering all the information at their disposal including information provided to the FAAA by the company that is considered "commercial in confidence".
I trust the FAAA whose offcials are all Flight Attendants, and their two employment lawyers on the staff who both have extensive legal experience in and out of unions to give us "CONSIDERED" advice.
They cant afford to be anonymous, nor can they afford to advise us to do something based on anger or frustration.
Michael also indicated that this would certainly not be the last concession that F/A's would have to make in the future to have job security but he said its about participating and managing the change together or having the company pursue individual contracts or worse givinig our work to AA JQ or domestic and making us all redundant.
He has my complete confidence despite the nervousness i feel like everyone else
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Pegasus ,
It’s great that the faaa has told you that they have sought legal advice even secretly or in confidence but the facts still remain….
Legally the company does not need Australian based crew or a dispensation to operate the JFK shuttle…
The company would save a considerable amount of money by using AKL based crew
The company is now more than ever motivated by cost cutting.
That means that the company has an ulterior motive for gaining dispensation
This is the bottom line then..don’t give the company the dispensation..
When the company wants changes and we have to agree or work with them and it's time to negotiate changes ,let’s do exactly that ..negotiate with Qantas , not give the farm away…
VOTE NO
It’s great that the faaa has told you that they have sought legal advice even secretly or in confidence but the facts still remain….
Legally the company does not need Australian based crew or a dispensation to operate the JFK shuttle…
The company would save a considerable amount of money by using AKL based crew
The company is now more than ever motivated by cost cutting.
That means that the company has an ulterior motive for gaining dispensation
This is the bottom line then..don’t give the company the dispensation..
When the company wants changes and we have to agree or work with them and it's time to negotiate changes ,let’s do exactly that ..negotiate with Qantas , not give the farm away…
VOTE NO
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the point
a very important point seems to go missing in the debate here. the dispensation was given keeping the kiwis off the shuttle. as from next bid period they are doing the shuttles anyway. so another change of mind by the evertrusting management. 