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share price
GD might find it very difficult to talk up the share price once the market gets the latest info on jetstar asia. its all downhill for those guys. according to my sources things are pretty bad there. even with valueair merging truckloads or should i say planeloads of money is still required to prop them up. there is another reason GD needs to save somewhere else. and if some of you may have looked over the anual reports(dont fall asleep) 4 years ago we had a labour cost of 23.7%, which has reason to 25.6% last financial year(up 300 million last year alone).management does get expensive these days.
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Well its true the Kiwi terrorist has been promoted, he is one of three people that are in charge of the new CSS roles.
All CSS's have been removed from their current "visitor" and placed under these 3.
You really have to feel so sorry for those poor CSS's that have been placed under That Sociopath!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All CSS's have been removed from their current "visitor" and placed under these 3.
You really have to feel so sorry for those poor CSS's that have been placed under That Sociopath!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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faaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrkkkkkk
you're kidding, aren't you!
That sociopath is the most dangerous thing QF has ever employed.
He causes more problems than all the other visitors combined.
People go sick in "spite" of him, If QF want to save money then they should consider sacking him!
There would be euphoria and people would be more productive!!!
Please QF get rid of him or send him to jet* jetconnect, better still over to s/haul!
you're kidding, aren't you!
That sociopath is the most dangerous thing QF has ever employed.
He causes more problems than all the other visitors combined.
People go sick in "spite" of him, If QF want to save money then they should consider sacking him!
There would be euphoria and people would be more productive!!!
Please QF get rid of him or send him to jet* jetconnect, better still over to s/haul!
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I know one crew member who's bids are determined by the sign on time.
He ensures that the trips he does sign on outside business hours to ensure that he doesn't have to interact with the Sociapath.
He goes sick on trips that sign on when he can't be avoided.
This company has become a basket case........
Nero fiddles........while Rome burns.....
He ensures that the trips he does sign on outside business hours to ensure that he doesn't have to interact with the Sociapath.
He goes sick on trips that sign on when he can't be avoided.
This company has become a basket case........
Nero fiddles........while Rome burns.....
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from what I hear they have had so many requests from crew to have themseves removed from the sociopaths sphere of influence.
the CC manager (apparantly quite a decent person) is aware of his reputation and is building a file on him.
She needs the hard evidence to approach LG.
So the more reports that written about him the better, its another nail in the coffin!
the CC manager (apparantly quite a decent person) is aware of his reputation and is building a file on him.
She needs the hard evidence to approach LG.
So the more reports that written about him the better, its another nail in the coffin!
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Going back quite a few posts , I read with interest reported problems with the IFE. Now that I am SLF travelling to HK several times a year - usually Cathay, I went Q.F last time due to scheduling convenience. Loved the aircraft , crew were great both ways apart from one sour pussed male wrist flapper who obviously did not want to be there. ( but we all have our bad days don't we?) I am not a demanding passenger at all, having been on the other side for 20 years . I usually take my own bottled water , eat very little and don't drink alcohol in flight . On the way over not all the IFE was working , on the way back none of it was . Quite disappointing.
I thought myself lucky that Mrs Priapism and 2 junior priapisms weren't with me this time - the IFE usaully keeps them amused for the duration . I hope they can get it right because the aircraft and crews I have encountered are now better that Cathay's.
One small punter's opinion .
Priapism
Oh , I forgot to ask ,
I did hear on the grape vine from some of my Q.F buddies that there are a few ex ansett managers , in various roles who were largely incompetent , who have managed to get a bit of a charmed ride up the Q.F tree so to speak .
If this is true then a word of advice . If they are giving you a hard time then then do what I used to. Shut the office door and in a nice polite quite voice tell them to go forth and multiply
Worked every time for me.
I thought myself lucky that Mrs Priapism and 2 junior priapisms weren't with me this time - the IFE usaully keeps them amused for the duration . I hope they can get it right because the aircraft and crews I have encountered are now better that Cathay's.
One small punter's opinion .
Priapism
Oh , I forgot to ask ,
I did hear on the grape vine from some of my Q.F buddies that there are a few ex ansett managers , in various roles who were largely incompetent , who have managed to get a bit of a charmed ride up the Q.F tree so to speak .
If this is true then a word of advice . If they are giving you a hard time then then do what I used to. Shut the office door and in a nice polite quite voice tell them to go forth and multiply
Worked every time for me.
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priap.......
Unfortunately these are the sign of the times! the IFE goes down all the time and QF dont care.
They can advertise that they an IFE, but nowhere does it have to state that it works all the time.
I wish that QF cared but they simply DO NOT CARE, and no matter how many times you write in they will tell you the same thing " sorry"..........then next!
We are told, to give the PAX a voucher if there is a system failure, But it has to be major! in other words, your seat broken and IFE etc!!!
Unfortunately these are the sign of the times! the IFE goes down all the time and QF dont care.
They can advertise that they an IFE, but nowhere does it have to state that it works all the time.
I wish that QF cared but they simply DO NOT CARE, and no matter how many times you write in they will tell you the same thing " sorry"..........then next!
We are told, to give the PAX a voucher if there is a system failure, But it has to be major! in other words, your seat broken and IFE etc!!!
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the enemy within
how can L/H compete with S/H when they are prepared to walk into the same hotel after doing 246 hrs on their roster - (including proposed 8-9 day rice bowls) and not picking up an allowance??
next they will be doing their old trick of selling their rooms back to the company.....Swissotel SIN:
"Ah S/H CSM you are 10 crew?...that will be 5 rooms yes?"
I hear some senior yen men have been seconded to QCC4 to put together a "corridor cuisine" package. One section covers doing "the anaconda" at top of descent on all uneaten crew meals.
don't be surprised if S/H faaa offer to sell back the crew rest seats either - who needs them when you've spent your flying career sitting on a jump seat with the curtains closed? and as for the OCCF - for a price we can put cargo up there!
The Dodgy Bros have got nothing on this mob!
next they will be doing their old trick of selling their rooms back to the company.....Swissotel SIN:
"Ah S/H CSM you are 10 crew?...that will be 5 rooms yes?"
I hear some senior yen men have been seconded to QCC4 to put together a "corridor cuisine" package. One section covers doing "the anaconda" at top of descent on all uneaten crew meals.
don't be surprised if S/H faaa offer to sell back the crew rest seats either - who needs them when you've spent your flying career sitting on a jump seat with the curtains closed? and as for the OCCF - for a price we can put cargo up there!
The Dodgy Bros have got nothing on this mob!
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YOU GUTLESS SPINELESS BASTARDS AT THE LONG HAUL FAAA, HOW COULD YOU BETRAY US LIKE YOU HAVE WITH THE DIVISIONAL TRANSFER BETWEEN SHORT AND LONG HAUL CSM'S
IM SO ANGRY, NEVER HAVE WE BEEN BETRAYED LIKE THIS.
I HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE FAAA, BUT THEY HAVE LOST ME NOW, I WILL DO ANYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE SURE LOT ARE VOTED OUT.
YOU MONGRELS!
SOLD US OUT OVER A FEW PERTH BASED CSM.
YOU HAVE OPENED A CAN OF WORMS NOW
IM SO ANGRY, NEVER HAVE WE BEEN BETRAYED LIKE THIS.
I HAVE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE FAAA, BUT THEY HAVE LOST ME NOW, I WILL DO ANYTHING IN MY POWER TO MAKE SURE LOT ARE VOTED OUT.
YOU MONGRELS!
SOLD US OUT OVER A FEW PERTH BASED CSM.
YOU HAVE OPENED A CAN OF WORMS NOW
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CSM TRANSFERS
Congratulations to the FAAA BOTH DIVISIONS.
Great to see a worthwhile new initiative , and great to see its helping our Perth based crew. Also, its not affecting anyones promotion in either division.
Shows that the union in LH is thinking the right way, to allow people to exercise more choice.
Good on the guys in the FAAA.
Great to see a worthwhile new initiative , and great to see its helping our Perth based crew. Also, its not affecting anyones promotion in either division.
Shows that the union in LH is thinking the right way, to allow people to exercise more choice.
Good on the guys in the FAAA.
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newly rfegistered FAAA official, instead of being on this web site, why dont you extend the hours of the FAAA office so you can explain this latest betrayal .
How convenient sending this email out at 445 pm, im surprised you gave us the 15 minutes!
yet the letters went out to the short haul csm's yesterday.
You lot in the FAAA have misjudged this one by a long shot!
Everyone I have spoken to have been incredulous, they are all so angry!
this beats the JFK debacle by a mile!
HOW DARE YOU DO THIS WITHOUT AT LEAST INFORMING THE MEMBERSHIP OF YOUR INTENTIONS.
newly rfegistered FAAA official, instead of being on this web site, why dont you extend the hours of the FAAA office so you can explain this latest betrayal .
How convenient sending this email out at 445 pm, im surprised you gave us the 15 minutes!
yet the letters went out to the short haul csm's yesterday.
You lot in the FAAA have misjudged this one by a long shot!
Everyone I have spoken to have been incredulous, they are all so angry!
this beats the JFK debacle by a mile!
HOW DARE YOU DO THIS WITHOUT AT LEAST INFORMING THE MEMBERSHIP OF YOUR INTENTIONS.
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cartexchange,
As a shorthaul CSM myself, I dont know where you got your info from but the first I heard about the CSM transfers was late this arvo with an email from the FAAA.
I have been at work and received no letter from either QF or the FAAA.
As a shorthaul CSM myself, I dont know where you got your info from but the first I heard about the CSM transfers was late this arvo with an email from the FAAA.
I have been at work and received no letter from either QF or the FAAA.
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syd s/haul
for those that have not yet been notified here it is.
By the way s/haul have will be affected more with this than us! if you were worried about your seniority before, just wait till this takes effect.
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
CROSS DIVISIONAL TRANSFERS OF CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGERS
By way of background, following the merger of Qantas and Australian Airlines in 1992, a number of initiatives have been taken to recognise Qantas Flight Attendants as a group, regardless of Division.
One of the issues that has been considered periodically is whether CSM’s should be able to voluntarily transfer from one Division to another. Most recently, when the Integration Award (an award covering transfers) was simplified by the Australian Industrial Relations Commission in 2003, the parties (the Company, Short Haul and Long Haul) agreed to consider CSM transfers. While there were some preliminary discussions, the matter was not settled then.
As a result of the Company’s decision to close the Long Haul Perth base, an approach was made to Short Haul by the Long Haul division to consider this outstanding issue. We asked that Short Haul give favourable consideration to allowing Perth based CSM’s the option to transfer to the Short Haul base keeping their category.
Following a number of meetings between the FAAA Divisions and with the Company, we are pleased to advise as follows:
Long Haul CSM’s in Perth will be offered an opportunity to transfer to the Short Haul Base in Perth, maintaining their category. The conditions of transfer for Perth CSM’s that exercise this option will be those generally available under pre-existing transfer rights as a flight attendant.
In relation to the Perth transfers associated with the Base closure, an equal number of Short Haul CSM’s will be allowed to transfer to the Long Haul Division. This must occur within 1 Long Haul Bid Period (2 months) of Long Haul CSM’s transferring to Perth Short Haul. The Long Haul CSM transfer list will need to be actioned in the first instance before it is clear where the opportunities will be for Short Haul CSM’s transferring.
Both Divisions agree in principle to a new system of transfers allowing CSM's to swap between Divisions. The system to operate on the basis of 1 for 1 swaps that would be actioned simultaneously (noting conversion time) between the Divisions. (Promotions are not affected).
The Company has agreed in principle to this system. Further discussions will be held between the Association and the Company in early December. Details of how lists will be established and related conditions are still to be finalised between both Divisions of the FAAA and the Company.
The Long Haul Division thanks Darryl Watkins and Carol Franklin and the Executive of the Domestic/Regional Division for their co-operation on this issue. The co-operation between the FAAA Divisions and the outcome achieved is something that should be applauded by all members of the FAAA.
The International Division welcomes the Short Haul CSM’s who choose to take up a position in Long Haul and we wish our CSM’s who transfer to the SH division the best of luck and we are pleased that the behind-the-scenes negotiations have given our Perth based CSM’s a further option to consider.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.
By the way s/haul have will be affected more with this than us! if you were worried about your seniority before, just wait till this takes effect.
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
CROSS DIVISIONAL TRANSFERS OF CUSTOMER SERVICE MANAGERS
By way of background, following the merger of Qantas and Australian Airlines in 1992, a number of initiatives have been taken to recognise Qantas Flight Attendants as a group, regardless of Division.
One of the issues that has been considered periodically is whether CSM’s should be able to voluntarily transfer from one Division to another. Most recently, when the Integration Award (an award covering transfers) was simplified by the Australian Industrial Relations Commission in 2003, the parties (the Company, Short Haul and Long Haul) agreed to consider CSM transfers. While there were some preliminary discussions, the matter was not settled then.
As a result of the Company’s decision to close the Long Haul Perth base, an approach was made to Short Haul by the Long Haul division to consider this outstanding issue. We asked that Short Haul give favourable consideration to allowing Perth based CSM’s the option to transfer to the Short Haul base keeping their category.
Following a number of meetings between the FAAA Divisions and with the Company, we are pleased to advise as follows:
Long Haul CSM’s in Perth will be offered an opportunity to transfer to the Short Haul Base in Perth, maintaining their category. The conditions of transfer for Perth CSM’s that exercise this option will be those generally available under pre-existing transfer rights as a flight attendant.
In relation to the Perth transfers associated with the Base closure, an equal number of Short Haul CSM’s will be allowed to transfer to the Long Haul Division. This must occur within 1 Long Haul Bid Period (2 months) of Long Haul CSM’s transferring to Perth Short Haul. The Long Haul CSM transfer list will need to be actioned in the first instance before it is clear where the opportunities will be for Short Haul CSM’s transferring.
Both Divisions agree in principle to a new system of transfers allowing CSM's to swap between Divisions. The system to operate on the basis of 1 for 1 swaps that would be actioned simultaneously (noting conversion time) between the Divisions. (Promotions are not affected).
The Company has agreed in principle to this system. Further discussions will be held between the Association and the Company in early December. Details of how lists will be established and related conditions are still to be finalised between both Divisions of the FAAA and the Company.
The Long Haul Division thanks Darryl Watkins and Carol Franklin and the Executive of the Domestic/Regional Division for their co-operation on this issue. The co-operation between the FAAA Divisions and the outcome achieved is something that should be applauded by all members of the FAAA.
The International Division welcomes the Short Haul CSM’s who choose to take up a position in Long Haul and we wish our CSM’s who transfer to the SH division the best of luck and we are pleased that the behind-the-scenes negotiations have given our Perth based CSM’s a further option to consider.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division.
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I don't see a problem with the divisisional transfers for CSM's. Yes it will affect seniority for short haul CSM's but there will only be a few crew affected. There was only a handful of CSM's at the Perth base so spread amongst 3 short haul base, Perth, Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane not many people will have their seniority affected.
Then from here on there will be a 1-1 swap basis, doubt it will affect bidding power very much.
Then from here on there will be a 1-1 swap basis, doubt it will affect bidding power very much.
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pandoras box has just been opened with this transfer process.
all those people that transferred over as f/a's will now be able to ask for reinstatement of their category.
ANyway I cant believe the FAAA sold out their membership for a few PER based CSM,s
They werent even willing to strike during the last EBA, they were going to sell us out.
The Irony of it all!
all those people that transferred over as f/a's will now be able to ask for reinstatement of their category.
ANyway I cant believe the FAAA sold out their membership for a few PER based CSM,s
They werent even willing to strike during the last EBA, they were going to sell us out.
The Irony of it all!
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Final Solution...NoHaul
Integrate everything and everyone.
No shorthaul,no longhaul,no regional...just one big united happy family.
You have will a choice of three aircraft types to operate on .This can cbe changed every three years.
Personal circumstances change and it would of benefit to everyone to mix and match.
No need for progression.
New crew would automatically start at regional and after 2 years qualifying to be able to move to wherever.
I know the usual suspects will rant and rave...but this is worth some consideration.
It would certainly remove bickering and anger.
It would also provide for a united front when dealing with QF management.
At present there is way too much duplication and competition.
Aaaaah Yes ..here come the mortars
No shorthaul,no longhaul,no regional...just one big united happy family.
You have will a choice of three aircraft types to operate on .This can cbe changed every three years.
Personal circumstances change and it would of benefit to everyone to mix and match.
No need for progression.
New crew would automatically start at regional and after 2 years qualifying to be able to move to wherever.
I know the usual suspects will rant and rave...but this is worth some consideration.
It would certainly remove bickering and anger.
It would also provide for a united front when dealing with QF management.
At present there is way too much duplication and competition.
Aaaaah Yes ..here come the mortars
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Whether or not this is a good idea, this is an other example of the faaa operating without a mandate from the members.
The idea of cross transfers as with the temporary JFK dispensation should be put to a vote and then acted on if the vote is in the positive. The very fact that the faaa states “we are pleased to announce...etc” after the fact that the deal is done is fundamentally wrong.
We are still waiting for a vote on the JFK issue and we see again the arrogance of the 3 sisters in arranging our future without even announcing their intention to discuss a certain concept with another party.
The idea of cross transfers as with the temporary JFK dispensation should be put to a vote and then acted on if the vote is in the positive. The very fact that the faaa states “we are pleased to announce...etc” after the fact that the deal is done is fundamentally wrong.
We are still waiting for a vote on the JFK issue and we see again the arrogance of the 3 sisters in arranging our future without even announcing their intention to discuss a certain concept with another party.