OZ - IR issues, EBA's & T's & C's (All Australian Airlines)
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QFRegional,
i'm not whinging, yet expressing my disappointment in the system like you always seem to do. How would you like it if someone junior came into your base and due to a glitch in the system all of a sudden became senior to you and got the trips you were bidding for without even bidding? Unfortunately this isn't just the opinion of me, but majority of short haulers in Perth. I am very junior and i expect that, i don't expect to get anything i bid for and purely do it just to see what happens, but i am happy to get what i get.
Yes i am permanent and love it and never take it for granted, i very rarely whinge at all, infact i never do, i only vent on this site, but when i'm being ripped off due to a problem with a system that doesn't do what it's supposed to do, then i want it fixed. There's nothing wrong with that.
QFRegional, get off your high horse, you're not the only one who's allowed to voice your opinion.
Oz
i'm not whinging, yet expressing my disappointment in the system like you always seem to do. How would you like it if someone junior came into your base and due to a glitch in the system all of a sudden became senior to you and got the trips you were bidding for without even bidding? Unfortunately this isn't just the opinion of me, but majority of short haulers in Perth. I am very junior and i expect that, i don't expect to get anything i bid for and purely do it just to see what happens, but i am happy to get what i get.
Yes i am permanent and love it and never take it for granted, i very rarely whinge at all, infact i never do, i only vent on this site, but when i'm being ripped off due to a problem with a system that doesn't do what it's supposed to do, then i want it fixed. There's nothing wrong with that.
QFRegional, get off your high horse, you're not the only one who's allowed to voice your opinion.
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Spot on, Lab Vortex,
Hit the nail right on the head.
Isnt gluttony one of the seven sins, or something like that. Shorthaul are having a feast of the int flying, and they are still whinging. You undercut us, now you have it all, and still not good enough.
PS. I wonder if the Hobbit has some room at his house in Syd, for me and the family when I have to move out of Perth.
Shame. Bloody senseless shame.
Hit the nail right on the head.
Isnt gluttony one of the seven sins, or something like that. Shorthaul are having a feast of the int flying, and they are still whinging. You undercut us, now you have it all, and still not good enough.
PS. I wonder if the Hobbit has some room at his house in Syd, for me and the family when I have to move out of Perth.
Shame. Bloody senseless shame.
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S/H didnt vote for the last EBA to upset longhaulers. We didn't vote for the bands just to upset the L/H people coming over. (hey i didnt vote yes for the last one - and most of Syd base didnt either).
As far as a S/H funeral - i dont think thats the case. Unfortunatley i think its going to be the L/H division thats going to be dead and buried way before S/H. They call us on days off all the time - flying is increasing. From what i hear, they are forcing L/H onto leave etc.
And S/H are enjoying the regionals. Atleast the people i know who do them are. I personally dont do them. I joined S/H to be home more than L/H or i'd be there.
Anyway, if the next EBA is about 9day trips etcmy vote will be yet another NO!
cheers.
As far as a S/H funeral - i dont think thats the case. Unfortunatley i think its going to be the L/H division thats going to be dead and buried way before S/H. They call us on days off all the time - flying is increasing. From what i hear, they are forcing L/H onto leave etc.
And S/H are enjoying the regionals. Atleast the people i know who do them are. I personally dont do them. I joined S/H to be home more than L/H or i'd be there.
Anyway, if the next EBA is about 9day trips etcmy vote will be yet another NO!
cheers.
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Hey! Long haul can have the "regional" flying back if they want anytime! i am too junior to be picky about what turns up on my line, but if it means both divisions being happy, people being able to live where they want and still have the job they want in the base they want, then give the international flying back! I would make more money doing short haul flying (due to no advancement of my DTA as an allowance and also being able to work more hours and not 23hours for a 6 day tirp).
Majority if not all of my flying for the past 6 months has been international sectors, some months i'd be lucky to get one domestic sector, that is even rare.
Short haul because i want to be short haul.
Oz
Majority if not all of my flying for the past 6 months has been international sectors, some months i'd be lucky to get one domestic sector, that is even rare.
Short haul because i want to be short haul.
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Speedbird,
I can't speak for "my lot"...only for myself.
No, $1000 is not enough for me to vote for anything. I am a CSM and dont need a $1000 bonus to help my pay. Take off the tax and its worth about $700 odd dollars.
You can take the regional flying and the crappy hours of the day...make that night...and knock your socks off. Not interested! Give me ayres rock returns anyday!
I can't speak for "my lot"...only for myself.
No, $1000 is not enough for me to vote for anything. I am a CSM and dont need a $1000 bonus to help my pay. Take off the tax and its worth about $700 odd dollars.
You can take the regional flying and the crappy hours of the day...make that night...and knock your socks off. Not interested! Give me ayres rock returns anyday!
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Voice your concerns to your union.
Shorthaul IS dead.It is now "regional" and perhaps soon to be the "new" longhaul.
Personally doing 20 hour duties on an A380 or 777 LR is not my cup of tea.Shorthaul(sorry..regional) can have them.
Besides you are "cheaper"
Cheap being the operative word.
A mix of your flying and ours suits me.
Did a PER return from Sydney.
What a cake walk.
Only have to do 2 a week to build a roster.
Thank you again shorthaul.
Oh BTW you should also worry about Jet*.
They are definitely coming to get you.
Goodbye shorthaul,hello 9 day(crapp) regionals.
NB. as a 22.year CSS I manage to obtain about 45% of what I require on my roster.Not much chop really considering I have been in the position for 17 years
Shorthaul IS dead.It is now "regional" and perhaps soon to be the "new" longhaul.
Personally doing 20 hour duties on an A380 or 777 LR is not my cup of tea.Shorthaul(sorry..regional) can have them.
Besides you are "cheaper"
Cheap being the operative word.
A mix of your flying and ours suits me.
Did a PER return from Sydney.
What a cake walk.
Only have to do 2 a week to build a roster.
Thank you again shorthaul.
Oh BTW you should also worry about Jet*.
They are definitely coming to get you.
Goodbye shorthaul,hello 9 day(crapp) regionals.
NB. as a 22.year CSS I manage to obtain about 45% of what I require on my roster.Not much chop really considering I have been in the position for 17 years
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Have to agree with you m00ving_on
This thread is so messy due to the fact that all Australian airlines IR issues have been rolled into one.
Tightslot, please divide it up a little bit.
QF, alone, is made up of LH, SH, QFLink (Eastern and Sunstate), Jetstar, Australian Airlines (plus the contractors London, New Zealand and National Jet). All companies have their own EBA negociation process and their own IR issues.
IR issues are a very emotional subject at the moment, but largely a very interesting subject. Reading this Topic is so confusing and cant possibly flow with all of these companies rolled into one.
Perhaps you could give the Australian airlines a forum of its own?
What do you think Tight Slot?
Tightslot, please divide it up a little bit.
QF, alone, is made up of LH, SH, QFLink (Eastern and Sunstate), Jetstar, Australian Airlines (plus the contractors London, New Zealand and National Jet). All companies have their own EBA negociation process and their own IR issues.
IR issues are a very emotional subject at the moment, but largely a very interesting subject. Reading this Topic is so confusing and cant possibly flow with all of these companies rolled into one.
Perhaps you could give the Australian airlines a forum of its own?
What do you think Tight Slot?
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OK - I take the point about too many issues on one thread. I've started two more new threads, and this means that you now have a choice of three to post on (I hope that this helps!)
1. QANTAS discussions (All Bases) - Merged
2. AUSTRALIAN AIRLINES discussions (All Bases)
3. JETSTAR discussions (All Bases)
It is worth pointing out that the primary reason for merging the threads originally was because of the volatility of certain contributors: Putting all of the abuse and bile in one bucket made it easier to moderate and prevented other "innocent" users from having to wade through all the unpleasantries that were slowly destroying this forum. Now that the behaviour has improved, we'll see if we can relax a bit. If the abuse and bad behaviour start once more, then expect the mods to start chasing you again!!!!!
1. QANTAS discussions (All Bases) - Merged
2. AUSTRALIAN AIRLINES discussions (All Bases)
3. JETSTAR discussions (All Bases)
It is worth pointing out that the primary reason for merging the threads originally was because of the volatility of certain contributors: Putting all of the abuse and bile in one bucket made it easier to moderate and prevented other "innocent" users from having to wade through all the unpleasantries that were slowly destroying this forum. Now that the behaviour has improved, we'll see if we can relax a bit. If the abuse and bad behaviour start once more, then expect the mods to start chasing you again!!!!!
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trollies_r_go if you need to discuss something about these airlines the start a thread. It is not only the three airlines mentioned that do not have specific threads, but also the likes of American Airlines, Air France, KLM etc.
The QF threads have been centralised because of the inability of many of the contributors to adhere to PPRuNe rules. By & large, other airlines don't suffer from this problem, therefore the constraints don't apply. Once we've navigated through a period of time where QF staff have shown that they can argue the toss without resorting to abuse, then the QF constraints will be withdrawn too.
The QF threads have been centralised because of the inability of many of the contributors to adhere to PPRuNe rules. By & large, other airlines don't suffer from this problem, therefore the constraints don't apply. Once we've navigated through a period of time where QF staff have shown that they can argue the toss without resorting to abuse, then the QF constraints will be withdrawn too.
