BASSA members turning on union
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After the outrageous refusal of BASSA to grant BA the "disruption agreement" and their pathetic attempt to defend illegal and job threatening secondry strike action, it would appear that many of their members are turning against them
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Maybe the lunatics haven't quite got the support they think they have.
Still I'm sure Mr Walsh is watching BASSA's comments with interest.
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If this doesn't get sorted out I'm joing CC89
Bassa should immediately and fully justify why the disruption agreement is not in place. I don't believe they are speaking for the majority of their members here by any means
But really, what good will come from our drivers and baggage handlers going on strike? GG aren't suddenly going to think "we must withdraw the dismissals or BA will be stuck".
yeah, but us going on strike isn't going to get them their jobs back, it just loses us ours instead!
I'm ashamed to be a BASSA member after that announcement.
Can anyone justify to me why we should not have actioned the disruption agreement?
Still I'm sure Mr Walsh is watching BASSA's comments with interest.
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I think you could rightly say that most of us BASSA members are un-happy with the stance BASSA have taken on the issue. If only you could see some of the posts on the BA crew forum....
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Heres a post that sums up the general mood....
"I have supported my union faithfully for many years, attending meetings,
contributing to debates, and in 97, i went on strike, as i felt passionately
about the causes we in Cabin Services were facing.
Today, i am stunned, but sadly not surprised at BASSAs refusal to
implement the disruption agreement with our magagers. Yes the Union
have a duty of care to protect their members, and their workers rights
and conditions of employment.
However, as crew, we have a duty of care to our passengers, our
customers. It's the public that pay our wages and keep us in work, not BA.
It appears that BASSA are ignoring this fact, and treating BA's customers
with contempt...carry on like this and we will go down the road of Sabena
and Swissair... none of us will have jobs to fight for.
BASSAs stand on this chaos at Heathrow sickens me. As a member of the
union, my voice should be heard too. I want MY union to implement the
disruption agreement with BA, and work together in getting our
customers to their destinations as quickly and safely as possible, and
ending the misery our passengers and crews are facing at Heathrow."
"I have supported my union faithfully for many years, attending meetings,
contributing to debates, and in 97, i went on strike, as i felt passionately
about the causes we in Cabin Services were facing.
Today, i am stunned, but sadly not surprised at BASSAs refusal to
implement the disruption agreement with our magagers. Yes the Union
have a duty of care to protect their members, and their workers rights
and conditions of employment.
However, as crew, we have a duty of care to our passengers, our
customers. It's the public that pay our wages and keep us in work, not BA.
It appears that BASSA are ignoring this fact, and treating BA's customers
with contempt...carry on like this and we will go down the road of Sabena
and Swissair... none of us will have jobs to fight for.
BASSAs stand on this chaos at Heathrow sickens me. As a member of the
union, my voice should be heard too. I want MY union to implement the
disruption agreement with BA, and work together in getting our
customers to their destinations as quickly and safely as possible, and
ending the misery our passengers and crews are facing at Heathrow."
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From a BASSA member. Maybe the light is being seen
GG management are evil bastards. They deliberately provoked a low paid work force to install even lower paid workers to boost management bonus. It's 21st centuary slave labour and totally unaceptable.
BUT this is not BA's fault. This action by ground staff is illegal. The company should sack all those involved. Sorry it's so harsh but a few union hot heads are playing politics with all our futures. We need to get rid of these parasites and quick. So it's ime to issue all those who walked out yesterday with notices of termination.
BASSA can take a flying jump if it thinks I'm not going to do all I can to keep BA working today. If we don't use the disruption agreement who BLOODY cares. Today and for the rest of the week I will work as hard as I can for as long as I can. If BASSA don't support me supporting the airline and my future then BASSA will have a big problem in the next few months.
So today I will work till I drop and my industrial agreement will not be opened. And I'm certainly not the only one who will be acting this way.
GG management are evil bastards. They deliberately provoked a low paid work force to install even lower paid workers to boost management bonus. It's 21st centuary slave labour and totally unaceptable.
BUT this is not BA's fault. This action by ground staff is illegal. The company should sack all those involved. Sorry it's so harsh but a few union hot heads are playing politics with all our futures. We need to get rid of these parasites and quick. So it's ime to issue all those who walked out yesterday with notices of termination.
BASSA can take a flying jump if it thinks I'm not going to do all I can to keep BA working today. If we don't use the disruption agreement who BLOODY cares. Today and for the rest of the week I will work as hard as I can for as long as I can. If BASSA don't support me supporting the airline and my future then BASSA will have a big problem in the next few months.
So today I will work till I drop and my industrial agreement will not be opened. And I'm certainly not the only one who will be acting this way.
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I agree....finally I work for an airline that treats me fairly and pays me fairly and there are wa*kers who have to go out on strike for the sake of an outside catering company.
When I was working for bmi or VS I used to pray for something like this to happen, to make the management wake up and improve our conditions. But it never happened!
When I was working for bmi or VS I used to pray for something like this to happen, to make the management wake up and improve our conditions. But it never happened!
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For those who don't work for BA, please could somebody explain what the "disruption agreement" actually entails, and what are the ramifications of implementing it?
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FYI - As a (Non-BA) BASSA member myself, I was seriously reconsidering the benefits of remaining within the Union, based on their present in-house performance, before all this happened.
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FYI - As a (Non-BA) BASSA member myself, I was seriously reconsidering the benefits of remaining within the Union, based on their present in-house performance, before all this happened.
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The 'Disruption Agreement' is a document recently agreed between BASSA Worldwide members and BA. BASSA Eurofleet is stillin negotiations with BA re a short-haul disruption agreement.
BASSA Worldwide members voted on the Disruption Agreement with 98% support.
As the name suggests, the Disruption Agreement comes into effect during periods of severe disruption. Whether or not the disruption warrants the agreement to come into effect is up to the BASSA chairman.
Basically, it allows Worldwide crew to operate outside their current working agreements, but still within the Disruption Agreement framework. Basically it allows BA extra crew flexibility.
This is where BASSA is coming under fire from many of its members. BA yesterday requested BASSA to implement the agreement, BASSA refused, arguing that the Disruption agreement is intended for situations such as severe weather, ATC issues etc. The mood from most BASSA members seems however that BASSA should have agreed and implemented the disruption agreement.
Many members are also very upset about the postings by BASSA on its website yesterday and today. They basically put Gate Gourmets problems at the foot of BA's door.
Any of you that can view the BA forum pages will know exactly what I mean when I say that the posts are overwhelmingly Unhappy with the reponse of BASSA.
BASSA Worldwide members voted on the Disruption Agreement with 98% support.
As the name suggests, the Disruption Agreement comes into effect during periods of severe disruption. Whether or not the disruption warrants the agreement to come into effect is up to the BASSA chairman.
Basically, it allows Worldwide crew to operate outside their current working agreements, but still within the Disruption Agreement framework. Basically it allows BA extra crew flexibility.
This is where BASSA is coming under fire from many of its members. BA yesterday requested BASSA to implement the agreement, BASSA refused, arguing that the Disruption agreement is intended for situations such as severe weather, ATC issues etc. The mood from most BASSA members seems however that BASSA should have agreed and implemented the disruption agreement.
Many members are also very upset about the postings by BASSA on its website yesterday and today. They basically put Gate Gourmets problems at the foot of BA's door.
Any of you that can view the BA forum pages will know exactly what I mean when I say that the posts are overwhelmingly Unhappy with the reponse of BASSA.
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i am bacx crew,i havent joined the union yet (ours is T&G) but we just brought back more LHR pax than our own pax from LYS and i gave them the best service i could possibly give in the short flight because the passengers dont deserve this and the BA staff have NO reason to strike,and i know us here at bacx wont get any thanks for bringing back some of the stranded passengers.
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The Worldwide Disruption Agreement is "intended for enactment following events that cause severe disruption to the worldwide operation" as quoted from the document itself. It enables flexibility of cabin crew rosters within defined limits so that BA can more effectively deal with said 'event' than would otherwise be the case.
IMO the current situation clearly constitutes 'severe disruption' and therefore the agreement should be implemented.
However, I believe BASSA are laying the blame squarely with BA themselves and as such seem to be saying that the situation is 'self-inflicted' and therefore will not sanction its implementation.
In any event BASSA have the ability to give an 'alleviation' to laid down agreements if they so chose.
The words cutting your nose off to spite your face spring to mind.
IMO the current situation clearly constitutes 'severe disruption' and therefore the agreement should be implemented.
However, I believe BASSA are laying the blame squarely with BA themselves and as such seem to be saying that the situation is 'self-inflicted' and therefore will not sanction its implementation.
In any event BASSA have the ability to give an 'alleviation' to laid down agreements if they so chose.
The words cutting your nose off to spite your face spring to mind.
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I agree that being negative about the unions on here is easy as one's identity is protected! How many people are actually going into the BASSA offices and withdrawing their names? How many are willing to openly say who they are on here to back up their claims. Few, if any will leave BASSA, especially with the mess BA is currently in....the crew might suddenly find they need their union to protect them from whatever managers feel needs to be imposed.
So, if you feel let down, withdraw your support and work to your own unprotected conditions. Crews tend to use the union when it suits them anyway.
So, if you feel let down, withdraw your support and work to your own unprotected conditions. Crews tend to use the union when it suits them anyway.
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Dear TightSlot,
Just out of curiosity:
>FYI - As a (Non-BA) BASSA member myself, I was seriously reconsidering the benefits of remaining within the Union, based on their present in-house performance, before all this happened.<
How's that possible ?
As implied by its name, members of BASSA are either British Airways Stewards or Stewardess.
Just out of curiosity:
>FYI - As a (Non-BA) BASSA member myself, I was seriously reconsidering the benefits of remaining within the Union, based on their present in-house performance, before all this happened.<
How's that possible ?
As implied by its name, members of BASSA are either British Airways Stewards or Stewardess.
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Well, I'm certainly paying Union Dues to somebody with a name very similar - Maybe I'm getting confused?
Nope - just checked the paperwork, it says BASSA alright - presumably it was BA originally and then spread to others? I'm sure that somebody will know...
Nope - just checked the paperwork, it says BASSA alright - presumably it was BA originally and then spread to others? I'm sure that somebody will know...
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purr I am really dis-appointed with BASSA's stance on the industrial action issue. Saying that, I won't be going into the BASSA office to cancel my membership. I have e-mailed them, and also written to them. And while I was at Compass yesterday (waiting.....waiting) went to see them and tell them how I was feeling. They also would have seen all the crew forums being posted on the BASSA forum pages (most of which were voicing their dis-approval).
I think that it is really important to be in a union, and to be honest BASSA was one of the reasons I joined BA in the first place! No way would I go to CC89.
Put it this way, if BA really tried to shaft the cabin crew community I would back BASSA to the bone in a second through participating in a legal ballot, giving required notice etc etc. If I turned up at work one day and some of my collegues said "let's just get of the aircraft in sympathy for someone at XYZ company" I would tell them to f*ck off.
I just hope that BASSA have learned to not automatically blame BA for every problem we are faced with. And to perhaps not be so militant and sarcastic in their website posts. I think BASSA needs to remember WE are the union, the union is not us .
I know, soppy stuff....but true. We have to tell the union how we want to be represented. BA and it's crews are a very different beast to what it was ten, or even five years ago and BASSA needs to move with the times a bit as well.
I think that it is really important to be in a union, and to be honest BASSA was one of the reasons I joined BA in the first place! No way would I go to CC89.
Put it this way, if BA really tried to shaft the cabin crew community I would back BASSA to the bone in a second through participating in a legal ballot, giving required notice etc etc. If I turned up at work one day and some of my collegues said "let's just get of the aircraft in sympathy for someone at XYZ company" I would tell them to f*ck off.
I just hope that BASSA have learned to not automatically blame BA for every problem we are faced with. And to perhaps not be so militant and sarcastic in their website posts. I think BASSA needs to remember WE are the union, the union is not us .
I know, soppy stuff....but true. We have to tell the union how we want to be represented. BA and it's crews are a very different beast to what it was ten, or even five years ago and BASSA needs to move with the times a bit as well.
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"As implied by its name, members of BASSA are either British Airways Stewards or Stewardess."
How is it implied? BASSA Stands for...
British AIRLINES Stewards and Stewardesses Association
How is it implied? BASSA Stands for...
British AIRLINES Stewards and Stewardesses Association
