EBA & IR Issues in Australia (Not for those easily offended!)
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tech crew fatigue
when qf introduced the 24 hr slip in Joburg a few years ago the techies quickly found scientific evidence (from an ADL uni academic if I recall) who stated that their fatigue level was the equivalent to a 0.05 alcohol reading .this was quickly leaked to the media - bingo -the tech crew slipped minimum 48 hrs while the grunt cabin crew continued to get their 24 hrs
the two jobs are not seen in the same light.
jet jockstrap 7 you seemed to have confused Mensa with your idea of fine cuisine -McDonalds
the two jobs are not seen in the same light.
jet jockstrap 7 you seemed to have confused Mensa with your idea of fine cuisine -McDonalds
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The CSS position being deleted!
Interesting as many would be happy to get their flying back and seeing all the **** happen and no one there to fix it or control it, the SS as the domestics have will not work with us.
the CSM will be a busy boy!
this will have to go down as the biggest "blunder" by our management......
yes that sociopath fron NZ jackson will definately do it!
Interesting as many would be happy to get their flying back and seeing all the **** happen and no one there to fix it or control it, the SS as the domestics have will not work with us.
the CSM will be a busy boy!
this will have to go down as the biggest "blunder" by our management......
yes that sociopath fron NZ jackson will definately do it!
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Little Pitcher
Dear boy Mensa is not a restaurant.
You need to get out a little more.
What is MacDonald`s?You appear to be an expert.
You need to get out a little more.
What is MacDonald`s?You appear to be an expert.
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Reports are in from the time and motion study being carried out by SYD longhaul flight attendants.
The study was commissioned by reserve line/standby cabin crew "camped out" on the lounges of QCC1 in an effort establish the work habits and productivity of our "fish bowl" inhabiting "visitors".
Results I'm sorry to say are far worse than we suspected.
8am start-
*"Visitor" enters QCC1 with a greeting to BOS person who has been at work AND WORKING for several hours.
*"Visitor" proceeds to fish bowl and takes seat at their desk.
Much paper shuffling and desk tidying. Computer is logged on. "Computer says,no".
*"Visitor" seaches for several minutes before locating their goal. THE WATER BOTTLE!!
*"Visitor" leaves desk and wanders away with water bottle.
*"Visitor" returns with water bottle [now full with water]
*"Visitor" takes seat at desk and makes a 20 minute phone call. This call we can assume was of a personal nature as much laughter in evidence.
*"Visitor hangs up and leaves desk to greet other newly arrived "visitors".
*Greetings, smiles and desk sitting ensues amongst the "pack" untill the pecking order is re-established and the day can start.
*This "visitor" being low down on the pecking order proceeds to collect the water bottles of all other "visitors " of higher social standing in an effort to garner favour and respect.
*"Visitor" proceeds to individually fill the water bottles of the other "visitors".
*There are more than twelve in residence now so the task takes a LONG time.
*"Visitor" returns to desk at completion of "water bottle filling duties" and another 20 minute telephone call is made.
Once again personal in nature as there is much laughter.
*11am Morning tea.
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It can be seen by this example of a standard "visitor" morning that nothing in the way of work has been carried out.
Those in the fishbowl may feel that it is them looking out, at us.
When in fact it is us looking in, on you.
Dixon wants to save another 500 million this year.
Only a matter of time before he starts eating his own.
The study was commissioned by reserve line/standby cabin crew "camped out" on the lounges of QCC1 in an effort establish the work habits and productivity of our "fish bowl" inhabiting "visitors".
Results I'm sorry to say are far worse than we suspected.
8am start-
*"Visitor" enters QCC1 with a greeting to BOS person who has been at work AND WORKING for several hours.
*"Visitor" proceeds to fish bowl and takes seat at their desk.
Much paper shuffling and desk tidying. Computer is logged on. "Computer says,no".
*"Visitor" seaches for several minutes before locating their goal. THE WATER BOTTLE!!
*"Visitor" leaves desk and wanders away with water bottle.
*"Visitor" returns with water bottle [now full with water]
*"Visitor" takes seat at desk and makes a 20 minute phone call. This call we can assume was of a personal nature as much laughter in evidence.
*"Visitor hangs up and leaves desk to greet other newly arrived "visitors".
*Greetings, smiles and desk sitting ensues amongst the "pack" untill the pecking order is re-established and the day can start.
*This "visitor" being low down on the pecking order proceeds to collect the water bottles of all other "visitors " of higher social standing in an effort to garner favour and respect.
*"Visitor" proceeds to individually fill the water bottles of the other "visitors".
*There are more than twelve in residence now so the task takes a LONG time.
*"Visitor" returns to desk at completion of "water bottle filling duties" and another 20 minute telephone call is made.
Once again personal in nature as there is much laughter.
*11am Morning tea.
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It can be seen by this example of a standard "visitor" morning that nothing in the way of work has been carried out.
Those in the fishbowl may feel that it is them looking out, at us.
When in fact it is us looking in, on you.
Dixon wants to save another 500 million this year.
Only a matter of time before he starts eating his own.
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Isn't it a requirement (by US law, etc) or by the FAA for there to be a nominated 2nd in charge on all flights into the US?
This is one of the reasons why Air NZ STILL has the ISC position (CSS equivalent) in addition to the ISD (CSM) on board all Air NZ International services.
Maybe it's changed, but they couldn't get rid of the ISC position at NZ even during Grant's tenure. Unless the law has changed, I'd be surprised if they could get rid of the position/requirement these days - particularly given the US's hardline stance on flight security, etc.
They could, however, engineer the position as a seniority determined position for the trip (like Short Haul's Second Senior position).
This is one of the reasons why Air NZ STILL has the ISC position (CSS equivalent) in addition to the ISD (CSM) on board all Air NZ International services.
Maybe it's changed, but they couldn't get rid of the ISC position at NZ even during Grant's tenure. Unless the law has changed, I'd be surprised if they could get rid of the position/requirement these days - particularly given the US's hardline stance on flight security, etc.
They could, however, engineer the position as a seniority determined position for the trip (like Short Haul's Second Senior position).
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to big picture. spoke to a techy mate of mine. the 24 hour slip in JNB resulted in legal proceedings by aipa against qf and casa. it ended up being part of a senate enquiry. the outcome was the current fatigue management research for pilots( he tells me supposedly for cabin crew as well). the uni of adelaide is doing the research with casa and qf. the two jobs are not seen in the same light but according to various sources the faaa does not consult/ lobby casa. why? ask the faaa
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Guy Maclean was/is an expert in regulatory issues with contacts here and overseas.
He was a big loss to us during the FAAA change of guard.
Rumour has it the techies saw this and poached him.
Perhaps he could be persauded to come back on board?
FAAA................?
He was a big loss to us during the FAAA change of guard.
Rumour has it the techies saw this and poached him.
Perhaps he could be persauded to come back on board?
FAAA................?
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Fin review 18/8
Full year results
Qantas has posted a stronger-than-expected annual result but the national carrier says the high price of fuel remains its greatest challenge this year and will affect profitability. The airline faces an further increase in fuel costs of $1.25 billion in 2005-06.
"Qantas is performing strongly," chief executive Geoff Dixon said.
"However, the extraordinary cost of fuel will have a substantial ongoing impact on the company.
"While further reforms in the business are under way, and coupled with the high fuel price, we do not expect to achieve the same levels of profitability in the current financial year," he said.
Net profit for the 2004-05 year was $763.6 million, up 17.8 per cent.
The result was better than the average analyst forecast for a profit of $731.70 million.
Analysts' forecasts had ranged between $718 million and $749 million.
Group revenue for the year ended June 30, 2005, was $12.6 billion, up 11.4 per cent.
Net passenger revenue, including fuel surcharge recoveries, increased by $857 million or 9.5 per cent to $9.8 billion.
Chairman Margaret Jackson said the record result showed Qantas had responded well to rising oil prices and heightened security fears in 2004-05.
The main drivers of the result included a strong performance by its low-cost carrier Jetstar, improved yields and further costs savings of $545 million from its three-year Sustainable Future Program.
But fuel expense accounted for 19 per cent of total operating costs in 2004-05, up from 15 per cent in the previous year.
And that proportion will rise to 30 per cent this year, Mr Dixon warned.
The average for most international airlines is 25 per cent.
However, Mr Dixon said the airline planned to expand its flying operations in the next 12 months.
It is targeting new international markets, growth of existing profitable markets, higher freight revenues and expansion of the Jetstar brand.
But despite the success of Jetstar, which started in May 2004, and Qantas's good performance in the domestic market there was no room for complacency, Mr Dixon said.
"Competition in the domestic market will increase, with the start-up of new carrier OzJet later in the year and Virgin Blue's stated intention of seeking a much larger share of business traffic," he said.
Ozjet, the one-class business airline established by Minardi Formula One racing team head Paul Stoddart, it due to begin operations later this year.
Qantas paid a fully franked final dividend of 10˘ payable on September 28.
Don't forget to hand back your bonus this year hate crew in protest to Dixon. Get your money and send it back to hime with a note to "stick it" in full protest like you express on this site.
Full year results
Qantas has posted a stronger-than-expected annual result but the national carrier says the high price of fuel remains its greatest challenge this year and will affect profitability. The airline faces an further increase in fuel costs of $1.25 billion in 2005-06.
"Qantas is performing strongly," chief executive Geoff Dixon said.
"However, the extraordinary cost of fuel will have a substantial ongoing impact on the company.
"While further reforms in the business are under way, and coupled with the high fuel price, we do not expect to achieve the same levels of profitability in the current financial year," he said.
Net profit for the 2004-05 year was $763.6 million, up 17.8 per cent.
The result was better than the average analyst forecast for a profit of $731.70 million.
Analysts' forecasts had ranged between $718 million and $749 million.
Group revenue for the year ended June 30, 2005, was $12.6 billion, up 11.4 per cent.
Net passenger revenue, including fuel surcharge recoveries, increased by $857 million or 9.5 per cent to $9.8 billion.
Chairman Margaret Jackson said the record result showed Qantas had responded well to rising oil prices and heightened security fears in 2004-05.
The main drivers of the result included a strong performance by its low-cost carrier Jetstar, improved yields and further costs savings of $545 million from its three-year Sustainable Future Program.
But fuel expense accounted for 19 per cent of total operating costs in 2004-05, up from 15 per cent in the previous year.
And that proportion will rise to 30 per cent this year, Mr Dixon warned.
The average for most international airlines is 25 per cent.
However, Mr Dixon said the airline planned to expand its flying operations in the next 12 months.
It is targeting new international markets, growth of existing profitable markets, higher freight revenues and expansion of the Jetstar brand.
But despite the success of Jetstar, which started in May 2004, and Qantas's good performance in the domestic market there was no room for complacency, Mr Dixon said.
"Competition in the domestic market will increase, with the start-up of new carrier OzJet later in the year and Virgin Blue's stated intention of seeking a much larger share of business traffic," he said.
Ozjet, the one-class business airline established by Minardi Formula One racing team head Paul Stoddart, it due to begin operations later this year.
Qantas paid a fully franked final dividend of 10˘ payable on September 28.
Don't forget to hand back your bonus this year hate crew in protest to Dixon. Get your money and send it back to hime with a note to "stick it" in full protest like you express on this site.
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Great Result......For All Of Us!!!
Prune Pusher......So you're burning the midnight oil over there in London just to get the annual result??!! Anything decent on Channel 4 at this time of night? This profit was a great result for ALL at Qantas and my bonus as always will be going to charity and not returned to hime.........he get's enough already!! 
My hope now is more jobs for more Australians.
My hope now is more jobs for more Australians.
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Peanut Puncher...you`re kidding!!!
Why should we give back any bonus?
The staff are the ones who work hardest to achieve these extraordinary profits.
Remember while we have a whinge and a bitch on PPRune we don`t take it out on the Pax.
Mrs.Palmer and her daughters must be getting tired.Try giving them a rest.
The staff are the ones who work hardest to achieve these extraordinary profits.
Remember while we have a whinge and a bitch on PPRune we don`t take it out on the Pax.
Mrs.Palmer and her daughters must be getting tired.Try giving them a rest.
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Time for cool heads
Qantas staff to lose jobs
From: AAP
August 18, 2005
QANTAS will be shedding staff 'as early as Monday' as it looks to cut costs due to the high price of fuel.
Chief executive Geoff Dixon was coy on how many jobs could be cut but said all staff had been put on notice.
"There will be job losses," he said today.
"I'm not going to put a percentage on it, we are having meetings this afternoon, I'll be talking to managers tomorrow, and we have put a notice out to staff today.
"Some of our more major departments will start talking to people as early as Monday."
The news comes after the airline said earlier this month had slashed 200 senior management jobs, mostly at head office.
Qantas (qan.ASX:Quote,News) today posted a $763.6 million net profit for the 2004/05 year, up 17.8 per cent.
Qantas has 38,000 staff, with 93 per cent employed in Australia.
Mr Dixon said job cuts could be across the board.
"There are not many areas that are not going to be affected," he said.
"We need to continue as we have been doing ... everything must be looked at and we continue to do that."
"We have been doing that for four or five years, but what has made this more urgent is the escalating fuel price."
And he did not rule out sending more jobs overseas, following Qantas' decision in 2004-05 to open a cabin crew base in London for 400 flight attendants.
Asked if more jobs would be sent offshore, Mr Dixon replied: "We are looking at everything as far as transforming the company, we will do what is best for our people, for our shareholders, and the viability of Qantas".
Mr Dixon said the company was not seeking to send jobs overseas but it might not be able to avoid doing so.
"We will avoid it when we can, but that doesn't mean we can avoid it all the time."
All crew hopefully will be safe
From: AAP
August 18, 2005
QANTAS will be shedding staff 'as early as Monday' as it looks to cut costs due to the high price of fuel.
Chief executive Geoff Dixon was coy on how many jobs could be cut but said all staff had been put on notice.
"There will be job losses," he said today.
"I'm not going to put a percentage on it, we are having meetings this afternoon, I'll be talking to managers tomorrow, and we have put a notice out to staff today.
"Some of our more major departments will start talking to people as early as Monday."
The news comes after the airline said earlier this month had slashed 200 senior management jobs, mostly at head office.
Qantas (qan.ASX:Quote,News) today posted a $763.6 million net profit for the 2004/05 year, up 17.8 per cent.
Qantas has 38,000 staff, with 93 per cent employed in Australia.
Mr Dixon said job cuts could be across the board.
"There are not many areas that are not going to be affected," he said.
"We need to continue as we have been doing ... everything must be looked at and we continue to do that."
"We have been doing that for four or five years, but what has made this more urgent is the escalating fuel price."
And he did not rule out sending more jobs overseas, following Qantas' decision in 2004-05 to open a cabin crew base in London for 400 flight attendants.
Asked if more jobs would be sent offshore, Mr Dixon replied: "We are looking at everything as far as transforming the company, we will do what is best for our people, for our shareholders, and the viability of Qantas".
Mr Dixon said the company was not seeking to send jobs overseas but it might not be able to avoid doing so.
"We will avoid it when we can, but that doesn't mean we can avoid it all the time."
All crew hopefully will be safe
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Peanut Nob bin Laden,(Founding member,Club President and in fact only member of the Geoff Dixon Fan Club)
I do not hate anyone and I imagine most people who post here are similar.I may dislike someone for what they do and their policies that effect me and my ability to earn an income but certainly not hate.
When will you understand that all we have ever wanted its to protect jobs for Australians,is that too much to ask for from the "Spirit of Australia" especially with a better than expected profit.
I don't hear too much about sacrifices from the board when everyone esle is worried about having a job after next week.
If you were willing to take an effective pay cut to work in the UK,then thats your problem,now go back with the other children in romper room and play,the grown ups here are having a discussion
I do not hate anyone and I imagine most people who post here are similar.I may dislike someone for what they do and their policies that effect me and my ability to earn an income but certainly not hate.
When will you understand that all we have ever wanted its to protect jobs for Australians,is that too much to ask for from the "Spirit of Australia" especially with a better than expected profit.
I don't hear too much about sacrifices from the board when everyone esle is worried about having a job after next week.
If you were willing to take an effective pay cut to work in the UK,then thats your problem,now go back with the other children in romper room and play,the grown ups here are having a discussion
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"Qantas is performing strongly," chief executive Geoff Dixon said.
"However, the extraordinary cost of fuel will have a substantial ongoing impact on the company.
"While further reforms in the business are under way, and coupled with the high fuel price, we do not expect to achieve the same levels of profitability in the current financial year," he said.
QANTAS will be shedding staff 'as early as Monday' as it looks to cut costs due to the high price of fuel.
Chief executive Geoff Dixon was coy on how many jobs could be cut but said all staff had been put on notice.
"There will be job losses," he said today.
GD uses any excuse to slash jobs or send more jobs overseas,if the wind changed direction he would announce job cuts.It's the only way he can get his bonus.
No wonder everytime Dooms Dixon opens his mouth the share price drops.
A day when he announces a better than expected profit he announces more doom and gloom ,I think I have just found a new form of contraceptive..a pic of GD
"However, the extraordinary cost of fuel will have a substantial ongoing impact on the company.
"While further reforms in the business are under way, and coupled with the high fuel price, we do not expect to achieve the same levels of profitability in the current financial year," he said.
QANTAS will be shedding staff 'as early as Monday' as it looks to cut costs due to the high price of fuel.
Chief executive Geoff Dixon was coy on how many jobs could be cut but said all staff had been put on notice.
"There will be job losses," he said today.
GD uses any excuse to slash jobs or send more jobs overseas,if the wind changed direction he would announce job cuts.It's the only way he can get his bonus.
No wonder everytime Dooms Dixon opens his mouth the share price drops.
A day when he announces a better than expected profit he announces more doom and gloom ,I think I have just found a new form of contraceptive..a pic of GD
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usual "wisdom" not
ahh jbm has surfaced again bringing more "wisdom " to the debate.
the company report makes interesting reading. apart from another 500 million or so this fin year they want to save another 1,5 billion in 07/08. thats around 2 billion in the next 3 years. as previously mentioned AO is a basket case and should be brought back into the fold either under the QF or Jetstar banner. catering needs to loose a few more customers and you might as well sell it off. expect more cost savings on food. now we just wait and see at the AGM what kind of bonuses GD and the rest think they are entitled to.
any news on how many visitors left the floor?
the company report makes interesting reading. apart from another 500 million or so this fin year they want to save another 1,5 billion in 07/08. thats around 2 billion in the next 3 years. as previously mentioned AO is a basket case and should be brought back into the fold either under the QF or Jetstar banner. catering needs to loose a few more customers and you might as well sell it off. expect more cost savings on food. now we just wait and see at the AGM what kind of bonuses GD and the rest think they are entitled to.
any news on how many visitors left the floor?
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JBM,
Quick Quiz….2 Words,
Are they….
1: Jetstar Profit
2: Company rationalization
3: Chris Corrigan
Take your pick
Jetstar’s costbase has been lowered even more than last year,so it looks like you will have to cut back on face painting amongst other things after a Mr Corrigan explains market forces to you.!!
Maybe if VB cuts back you could get a job with Jetstar
Quick Quiz….2 Words,
Are they….
1: Jetstar Profit
2: Company rationalization
3: Chris Corrigan
Take your pick
Jetstar’s costbase has been lowered even more than last year,so it looks like you will have to cut back on face painting amongst other things after a Mr Corrigan explains market forces to you.!!
Maybe if VB cuts back you could get a job with Jetstar